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TROOP3R

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Hello fellow forum members!

Hails from India...

I'm planning to buy/upgrade to another AMD processor based rig. Not too much of a higher-end, and not something cheap either.

Please suggest any considerable changes to made below... let me know your thoughts...

Here's what I have collated so far - Being in India, the options and the budget is a bit tight.

AMD FX-6300

Cooler Master IC Essential E1Thermal Grease

Deepcool ICEEDGE 400XT CPU Cooler
OR
Deepcool ICEBLADEPRO CPU Cooler

ASUS M5A97 R2.0

MSI R7 260X 2GD5 OC 2 GB GDDR5

Seasonic S12II 620 Watts

Corsair Carbide 300R

and I'm planning to reuse my already owned Kingston Hyper-X Blu DDR3 1333 RAM (8 GB).

Thanks!
 
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TROOP3R

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Apologies!!

1. What YOUR PC will be used for. That means what types of tasks you'll be performing.
> Video Games!!

2. What YOUR budget is. A price range is acceptable as long as it's not more than a 20% spread
> Rs. 40,000 (Indian Rupees) that's approx. 650 USD [current xchange rate]

3. What country YOU will be buying YOUR parts from.
> India

4. IF you're buying parts OUTSIDE the US, please post a link to the vendor you'll be buying from.
We can't be expected to scour the internet on your behalf, chasing down deals in your specific country... Again, help us, help YOU.

> N/A


5. IF YOU have a brand preference. That means, are you an Intel-Fanboy, AMD-Fanboy, ATI-Fanboy, nVidia-Fanboy, Seagate-Fanboy, WD-Fanboy, etc.
> AMD
> AMD

6. If YOU intend on using any of YOUR current parts, and if so, what those parts are.
> Kingston Hyper-X Blu DDR3 1333 RAM (8 GB)

7. IF YOU plan on overclocking or run the system at default speeds.
> Negative!!

8. What resolution, not monitor size, will you be using?
> 1920x1080

9. WHEN do you plan to build it?
Note that it is usually not cost or time effective to choose your build more than a month before you actually plan to be using it.
> 3-4 days

X. Do you need to purchase any software to go with the system, such as Windows or Blu Ray playback software?
> Negative!
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Here's what I have collated so far - Please suggest any considerable changes to made below... let me know your thoughts...

AMD FX-6300

Cooler Master IC Essential E1Thermal Grease

Deepcool ICEEDGE 400XT CPU Cooler
OR
Deepcool ICEBLADEPRO CPU Cooler

ASUS M5A97 R2.0

MSI R7 260X 2GD5 OC 2 GB GDDR5

Seasonic S12II 620 Watts

Corsair Carbide 300R

and I'm planning to reuse my already owned Kingston Hyper-X Blu DDR3 1333 RAM (8 GB).

Thanks!
 
lehtv

lehtv

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If you're not going to be OCing, you can just use the thermal paste and cooler provided with the CPU.

I would also recommend Intel over AMD in this case, the i3-4130. It has far better performance per thread but only two hyperthreaded cores; without overclocking the fx6300, the i3 is going to give better results in most games.

For the motherboard, a micro ATX h81 or b85 chipset board would be ideal on this budget.

The s12ii 620w is a great unit but overkill, you'll be more than fine with the 520w version.

If possible, try to get an r9 270 or even 270x
 
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TROOP3R

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Even I do agree with what you've suggested.

Thanks a lot lehtv and mfenn (especially for printing the costs as well)

A few related questions though -

Let 's say OC'ing might be a future option (if the need arises)... I know that ASUS board does support it.

> Should I still go for the FX-6300?? Sorry about this guys, but I'm really trying to avoid Intel (I don't know why!!). I've used a Semprom, Athlon, Phenom 2.

> The R9 270X suggests it requires a PSU of 600W. What are the prerequisites when choosing a PSU, in general.

>> Getting back to what I had originally proposed; *sticking to AMD & M5A97 R2.0*
(re-using my SATA drives and optical drive)

-> Should the S12II 620 Watts be still an overkill??

thanks again!
 
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TROOP3R

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** Update as of - Apr 26 2014

Okay experts!!

After much brainstorming and bumping up my budget a little bit to approx. 724 USD = INR 45k, I'm almost close to finalizing this rig.

Let me know of any changes to be made -

>> Core i5-4440 3.1 GHz (fits the budget)
Rs 11722
$ 189

Intel coz of less power consumption, and I'm not an overclocking enthusiast so.. Intel should work for me..


>> Gigabyte GA-P85-D3
Rs. 6999
$ 112
(intentionally non-miniATX)


>> Sapphire AMD/ATI Radeon R9 270 [non-X] with Boost OC 2 GB DDR5
Rs. 15052
$ 242


>> Seasonic S12II Bronze Series 520W
Rs. 4848
$ 78


Corsair Carbide 300R (because it offers full dual front intake)
Rs. 5262
$ 84

Reusable components -

RAM - 6 GB DDR3 1333
Hard drives and a optical drive.
 
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mfenn

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The main issue with that config is that you're spending too much on the mobo and CPU, but not enough on the GPU. The GPU is the absolute number one determiner of gaming performance, and should be prioritized.

I'd stick with this CPU, mobo and case:

i3 4130 Rs. 7.9k
GA-B85-D3H Rs. 5.7k
Lian Li PC-K57 Rs. 3.5k

and use the savings to get this GPU:

MSI R9 280 3GB Rs. 24k
 
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I have to disagree with mfenn here, the i3 is not a good pair up for an R9 280. I'd rather have excess performance on the CPU than the GPU because it will result in more stable framerates across a wider variety of games. The amount of GPU stress can be easily adjusted, with minimum requirements for games being far below what the R9 280 is capable of, whereas the amount of CPU load is often not something you can adjust at all. Either a game is CPU heavy or it isn't

I'd get the i5-4440, the cheaper board recommended by mfenn, possibly the cheaper case as well, and a Sapphire R9 270X 2GB 15.9k
 
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TROOP3R

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thanks guys...

Pardon my ignorance, but please tell me what's the real difference bet. an R9 270, 270x and 280 ??

Out of the above, the R9 270 is a lesser power consuming card I think.

mfenn,
Good call on the Lian Li PC-K57 case, I had seen that one earlier, didnt pay much attention to it though. And sorry, i3 is out of the question...
 
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TROOP3R

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**Update -

Guys... sorry about this, but I think AMD FTW! I've reconfigured a few details... budget-wise, we'll see that later but for now, I will be OC'ing the proccy ...

This is what I have now -

FX-8320 (FD8320FRHKBOX)

ASRock 970 Extreme3 Or Asus M5A97 R2.0 Or Asus M5A97 EVO R2.0 ??

Sapphire R9 270 or R9 270X ?? I've read, the 270x is high on power intake and generates heat ??

S12II Bronze Series 520W

Lancool PC-K57

Deepcool ICEBLADEPRO CPU Cooler or any other cooler in the same price range you/anyone can suggest??

Cooler Master IC Essential E1Thermal Grease

Let me know... Or should I go back to the earlier i5 build ??
 
lehtv

lehtv

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TROOP3R said:
Let me know... Or should I go back to the earlier i5 build ??
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Yes, absolutely. i5 is better for gaming, consumes less power and has integrated graphics for backup. The FX is a downgrade.

TROOP3R said:
Pardon my ignorance, but please tell me what's the real difference bet. an R9 270, 270x and 280 ??
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R9 270X is about 5% faster at stock and has two PCIe cable headers which allows for better overclockability. There is practically no difference in power consumption unless overclocked, both consume roughly 125W at most.

R9 280X is about 30% faster than 270X, and consumes almost twice as much power as the 270X. Even with the worse performance per watt, it's the performance that counts so it's definitely worth getting if you can afford it, but not if you have to downgrade from the i5, in my opinion (mfenn thinks otherwise).
 
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I would definitely go back to the i5 build. Since you are not overclocking, you can get by with a less expensive board and put any savings into a better video card.
 
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TROOP3R

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Thanks again lehtv and Zardnok

BTW guys, I am considering OC'ing and more inclined towards the FX8320 with a Corsair CWCH60 CPU Cooler or more on the lines...

My initial budget has gone for a toss though!! I'll post the (almost) finalized rig in after sometime...

Let's consider OC'ing, then would you recommend 8320 ??
 
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R0H1T

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TROOP3R said:
Thanks again lehtv and Zardnok

BTW guys, I am considering OC'ing and more inclined towards the FX8320 with a Corsair CWCH60 CPU Cooler or more on the lines...

My initial budget has gone for a toss though!! I'll post the (almost) finalized rig in after sometime...

Let's consider OC'ing, then would you recommend 8320 ??
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Yes the 8320 (overclocked & adequately cooled) is good enough for at least a couple of years in most gaming/computing tasks. Get a cooler master hyper 212x or deepcool neptwin v2 (<- preferably this) & you'll see a substantial drop in load temps. Get a good 270x & overclock it further to play your games maxed out on 1080p, if you're thinking of a higher resolution your component cost will go through the roof since enthusiast level hardware is real expensive in India, also put the Seasonic 620 watt back on your checklist.

This build will last you a couple of years for games at that resolution & a bit more for other computing tasks, however if you want to upgrade your CPU during this then your only option would be the 8350 or the beastly 95xx :awe:

Putting aside (my) brand preference I'll just to add that AMD chips are relatively cheap in India & as such are excellent VFM options plus should you search the local shops you'll probably get them at a marginal discount as compared to online retailers like Flipkart.
 
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mfenn

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TROOP3R said:
Let's consider OC'ing, then would you recommend 8320 ??
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Once you count the cost of the of the H60 (Rs. 4.9k) plus the FX-8320 (Rs. 10.1k), you are spending 28% more money than the i5 4440. Why would you spend more money on the FX-8320 + cooler when it is slower than the i5 4440 at stock, and relies on luck to get to parity (much less 28% faster)?
 
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TROOP3R

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R0H1T said:
Yes the 8320 (overclocked & adequately cooled) is good enough for at least a couple of years in most gaming/computing tasks. Get a cooler master hyper 212x or deepcool neptwin v2 (<- preferably this) & you'll see a substantial drop in load temps. Get a good 270x & overclock it further to play your games maxed out on 1080p, if you're thinking of a higher resolution your component cost will go through the roof since enthusiast level hardware is real expensive in India, also put the Seasonic 620 watt back on your checklist.

This build will last you a couple of years for games at that resolution & a bit more for other computing tasks, however if you want to upgrade your CPU during this then your only option would be the 8350 or the beastly 95xx :awe:

Putting aside (my) brand preference I'll just to add that AMD chips are relatively cheap in India & as such are excellent VFM options plus should you search the local shops you'll probably get them at a marginal discount as compared to online retailers like Flipkart.
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Thanks Rohit!!

For cooling the 8320 (stock & OC) I'll be getting the Noctua NH-d14. Very decent reviews for this one. I was planning to get a looped liquid cooler-AIO, but the ones offered and the price range of NH-D14, really made BAD reviews.

S12II Bronze Series 620W has been reconsidered.

The issue with the local shops/retailers is, they don't have certain (slightly high-end) components stocked. Then you end up buying something else altogether. And if you request them to arrange for it, they'll tend to overcharge you. With online stores, you see the product that suits your bill, and you can further research on it some more if one wishes to. Plus, by ordering online, you save on the time factor too.
 
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TROOP3R

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mfenn said:
Once you count the cost of the of the H60 (Rs. 4.9k) plus the FX-8320 (Rs. 10.1k), you are spending 28% more money than the i5 4440. Why would you spend more money on the FX-8320 + cooler when it is slower than the i5 4440 at stock, and relies on luck to get to parity (much less 28% faster)?
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Thanks mfenn,

I don't intend to go against your suggestion, but OC'ing as an option, which I am considering sooner than later.

the Intel i5 build -
4670K 16k + nh-d14 5.6 + an OC mobo for another 4-5k
= around 25-26k

the AMD solution
FX-8320 10k + Noctua NH-D14 Rs 5.6k + Asus M5A97 EVO R2.0 Rs 8k
= 23.6 k

I think AMD is better suited though.
 
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TROOP3R

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So guys for the final build, I'm planning to -

FX-8320
http://www.snapdeal.com/product/amd-fx8320-fd8320frhkbox-processor/1386402

Noctua NH-D14
http://www.snapdeal.com/product/noctua-nhd14-120mm-140mm-sso/1824692793

Asus M5A97 EVO R2.0
http://www.snapdeal.com/product/asus-m5a97-evo-r20-motherboard/1570893736

Sapphire Radeon R9 270 with Boost OC 2 GB DDR5
http://www.snapdeal.com/product/sapphire-radeon-r9-270x-2gbddr5/1555288064

S12II Bronze Series 620W
http://www.snapdeal.com/product/seasonic-620w-power-supply/1379207

Carbide 300r
http://www.snapdeal.com/product/corsair-carbide-300r-cpu-cabinet/217159

Cooler Master IC Essential E1Thermal Grease
http://www.snapdeal.com/product/cooler-master-ic-essential-e1thermal/2141233606

Corsair Air Series 120mm Red Led
 
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lehtv

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The D14 is a horribly overpriced heatsink for your budget. It's an excellent cooler no doubt, but simply overkill - the money is better spent on the graphics card. The additional fan and thermal grease are absolutely pointless, don't buy them because you don't need them.

As mfenn said in post #11, the graphics card is by far the most important component in a PC focusing on gaming performance. You're spending a lot of money on other components when you could be getting the 280X instead and enjoying 30% higher framerates.

The build you posted in #8 has overall better gaming performance (due to faster CPU) and lower power consumption (again due to the CPU) for 6k less. You'd be much better off going back to the i5, even if that meant giving up overclocking.
 
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Mondozei

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I've heard that there are widespread and rolling blackouts in India, does this happen where you live? If so, you should not take the 280/280X.

Other than that, I agree with the others regarding the CPU; the i5 is easily the best choice.
 
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