thanks smbu, i would do the gts, burt i'm looking for something cheap but fast for my little bro's computer, then when i build my new system, i'll probably get an NV20 instead(hopefully those will be hackable too) i willo take your advise on trying on an old board though, i have some sitting around and that makes sense. i've done some soldering, but nothing this small. what soldering iron should i get?