Succes in Iraq

TallBill

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http://www.nypost.com/seven/05...kout_111606.htm?page=1

May 20, 2008 -- DO we still have troops in Iraq? Is there still a conflict over there?

If you rely on the so-called mainstream media, you may have difficulty answering those questions these days. As Iraqi and Coalition forces pile up one success after another, Iraq has magically vanished from the headlines.

Want a real "inconvenient truth?" Progress in Iraq is powerful and accelerating.

But that fact isn't helpful to elite media commissars and cadres determined to decide the presidential race over our heads. How dare our troops win? Even worse, Iraqi troops are winning. Daily.

You won't see that above the fold in The New York Times. And forget the Obama-intoxicated news networks - they've adopted his story line that the clock stopped back in 2003.

To be fair to the quit-Iraq-and-save-the-terrorists media, they have covered a few recent stories from Iraq:

* When a rogue US soldier used a Koran for target practice, journalists pulled out all the stops to turn it into "Abu Ghraib, The Sequel."

Unforgivably, the Army handled the situation well. The "atrocity" didn't get the traction the whorespondents hoped for.

* When a battered, bleeding al Qaeda managed to set off a few bombs targeting Sunni Arabs who'd turned against terror, that, too, received delighted media play.

* As long as Baghdad-based journalists could hope that the joint US-Iraqi move into Sadr City would end disastrously, we were treated to a brief flurry of headlines.

* A few weeks back, we heard about another Iraqi company - 100 or so men - who declined to fight. The story was just delicious, as far as the media were concerned.

Then tragedy struck: As in Basra the month before, absent-without-leave (and hiding in Iran) Muqtada al Sadr quit under pressure from Iraqi and US troops. The missile and mortar attacks on the Green Zone stopped. There's peace in the streets.

Today, Iraqi soldiers, not militia thugs, patrol the lanes of Sadr City, where waste has replaced roadside bombs as the greatest danger to careless footsteps. US advisers and troops support the effort, but Iraq's government has taken another giant step forward in establishing law and order.

My fellow Americans, have you read or seen a single interview with any of the millions of Iraqis in Sadr City or Basra who are thrilled that the gangster militias are gone from their neighborhoods?

Didn't think so. The basic mission of the American media between now and November is to convince you, the voter, that Iraq's still a hopeless mess.

Meanwhile, they've performed yet another amazing magic trick - making Kurdistan disappear.

Remember the Kurds? Our allies in northern Iraq? When last sighted, they were living in peace and building a robust economy with regular elections, burgeoning universities and municipal services that worked.

After Israel, the most livable, decent place in the greater Middle East is Iraqi Kurdistan. Wouldn't want that news getting out.

If the Kurds would only start slaughtering their neighbors and bombing Coalition troops, they might get some attention. Unfortunately, there are no US or allied combat units in Kurdistan for Kurds to bomb. They weren't needed. And (benighted people that they are) the Kurds are pro-American - despite the virulent anti-Kurdish prejudices prevalent in our Saudi-smooching State Department.

Developments just keep getting grimmer for the MoveOn.org fan base in the media. Iraq's Sunni Arabs, who had supported al Qaeda and homegrown insurgents, now support their government and welcome US troops. And, in southern Iraq, the Iranians lost their bid for control to Iraq's government.

Bury those stories on Page 36.

Our troops deserve better. The Iraqis deserve better. You deserve better. The forces of freedom are winning.

Here in the Land of the Free, of course, freedom of the press means the freedom to boycott good news from Iraq. But the truth does have a way of coming out.

The surge worked. Incontestably. Iraqis grew disenchanted with extremism. Our military performed magnificently. More and more Iraqis have stepped up to fight for their own country. The Iraqi economy's taking off. And, for all its faults, the Iraqi legislature has accomplished far more than our own lobbyist-run Congress over the last 18 months.

When Iraq seemed destined to become a huge American embarrassment, our media couldn't get enough of it. Now that Iraq looks like a success in the making, there's a virtual news blackout.

Of course, the front pages need copy. So you can read all you want about the heroic efforts of the Chinese People's Army in the wake of the earthquake.

Tells you all you really need to know about our media: American soldiers bad, Red Chinese troops good.

Is Jane Fonda on her way to the earthquake zone yet?

Having been there myself and talking recently to my brother-in-law who just got back and was part of cleaning up Sadr City, this story nails it.

The media has absolutely sucked on coverage of the Iraq war and has been negative and finger pointing for a very long time.

Whether you agree or disagree with our being there, it's hard to deny that we are currently successfull in our mission.
 

TallBill

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Originally posted by: conehead433

Anyone who believes progress is being made in Iraq is an idiot.

So us people that have seen it first hand are all idiots? ok...

Did you even bother to read the article, or did you just run in here spamming. This isn't a forum of trolling. (supposedly ;))
 

conehead433

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Having been there yourself you saw part of it. When you've traveled the whole country come back with a revised report.
 

ProfJohn

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The anti-war threads have all but disappeared which as much of a sign as anything that we are making progress.

The situation in Iraq has changed so much in the past year that it may no longer be a factor in the elections.
 

TallBill

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Originally posted by: conehead433
Having been there yourself you saw part of it. When you've traveled the whole country come back with a revised report.

Ok, well my brother-in-law was directly involved running missions in Sadr City and watching the daily intelligence reports, yet the media wasn't reporting it.

But you've already formed your opinions, so I'm going to ask that you only create your posts based off of the article or get out of the thread.
 

XMan

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Originally posted by: conehead433
Having been there yourself you saw part of it. When you've traveled the whole country come back with a revised report.

My brother spent a year over there, and he just volunteered to go back for another tour. His stories pretty much echo what the article and TallBill say.
 

palehorse

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Want a real "inconvenient truth?" Progress in Iraq is powerful and accelerating.
That line is great!

I sincerely applaud the OP's efforts; but good luck getting many in P&N interested in any good news coming out of Iraq... most posters here gave up on Iraq the minute it lasted longer than a single season of American Idol.
 

maddogchen

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i always assume our troops are doing the best job they can and are working hard to be successful at what they do. I don't need the media to remind me everyday.
 

jackschmittusa

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We've had about a zillion tactical successes in Iraq. These are what the grunts see. These are what the GWB supporters taut as "winning".

Strategically, it is still a disaster. Kind of takes the shine off the "winning".

And the writer does not seem to understand the Kurds and their agenda either.
 

Red Dawn

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No more car bombs? No more indiscriminate killing of Iraqi's by Iraqi's? You can walk anywhere in Baghdad and not worry about getting killed? Huzzah, success:thumbsup:

No wait..DOH!!!!
 

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Good, so can we leave Iraq now? No? Why not? Because it would spiral into hell the minute we did (according to those in the administration, but I don't believe that projection for a second, mostly because there's zero evidence to support it).

In the end, the U.S. hasn't achieved its goals in Iraq and has been bleeding and draining our great country for 5+ years on a war that still has little chance of success. Any minor progress (yes, it's minor) means nothing when the place is still wholly unlivable even by ME standards.
 

GTaudiophile

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Originally posted by: conehead433
Having been there yourself you saw part of it. When you've traveled the whole country come back with a revised report.

How can you fvcking argue with someone who had been there and lived it?

You are such a sheep!
 

GTaudiophile

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Oh, and we WILL see the good headlines!

The day AFTER The Messiah is sworn in as President. Magically, good news will pour from Iraq like Moses parting the Red Sea!

And we will all kneel and give thanks to Obama most high.

 

Bowfinger

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Originally posted by: TallBill
Originally posted by: conehead433

Anyone who believes progress is being made in Iraq is an idiot.

So us people that have seen it first hand are all idiots? ok...

Did you even bother to read the article, or did you just run in here spamming. This isn't a forum of trolling. (supposedly ;))
By the way, this isn't an article, it's an op-ed. It is one person's spin on what he views as the important part of a very complex and multi-layered story.

It's fantastic that we're seeing tactical successes in Iraq, and I hope they continue. The troops deserve great credit for doing their difficult and unpopular mission so well. Unfortunately, this doesn't change the fact that the invasion was an overall failure.

From the false pretenses used to start it, to the horrific loss of innocent lives and wanton destruction of Iraq's infrastructure, to the ongoing need of an overbearing military presence to maintain any semblance of order, to inflaming anti-U.S. hatred in the Middle East and anti-U.S. sentiment around the world, Iraq is a strategic failure. While it's wonderful that we may be gradually repairing some of the chaos and devastation we initiated, it doesn't change the fundamental failure of fscking the place up in the first place. It will take generations to undo all the damage done by the Bush administration.
 

CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: palehorse74
Want a real "inconvenient truth?" Progress in Iraq is powerful and accelerating.
That line is great!

I sincerely applaud the OP's efforts; but good luck getting many in P&N interested in any good news coming out of Iraq... most posters here gave up on Iraq the minute it lasted longer than a single season of American Idol.

This is so true.
 

Lemon law

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While I agree that TallBill has made a good case, I think much of it is an illusion. There is a lot of political progress needing to be made, all the various Iraqi insurgencies are as strong as ever, and Iraqi corruption is rampant. In terms of US involvement, the butcher bill is down significantly, but the monetary costs are every bit as high. There is much rebuilding to do and that basically has not started, Iraqi oil production is only now getting to pre war levels, and unemployment stands at about 18%. The danger level is reduced at present because the various Iraqi insurgencies are now well entrenched but institutionalized. The devil is in what happens next.

Sooner or later, the Iraqi government is going to have to break the power of the entrenched insurgencies. At present they are not threatened and hence quiet. But just as the government is evolving, so are the insurgencies. Much of what we saw in Basra was simply a power struggle for which insurgencies got the lions share of looted oil. Right now Maliki and Hakim have a temporary marriage, but this could change at any time. I still think Iraq is dangerously unstable but enjoy it while it lasts. We can hope for the best but are still not prepared for the worst.
 

TallBill

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Thanks for the responses everyone. Nowhere did I say that we won, or that we belong there, or that things are just peachy. But there have been plenty of good stories that simply don't get told except maybe on blogs or independant sites.

For god's sake, when Michael Monsoor was awarded a Medal of Honor it didn't even make the front page of the Chicago Tribune. There were appararently a dozen other things more important then our nation's top award.
 

Craig234

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Originally posted by: TallBill
http://www.nypost.com/seven/05...kout_111606.htm?page=1

Of course, the front pages need copy. So you can read all you want about the heroic efforts of the Chinese People's Army in the wake of the earthquake.

Tells you all you really need to know about our media: American soldiers bad, Red Chinese troops good.

Is Jane Fonda on her way to the earthquake zone yet?

Wh Rupert Murdoch should not have any media power, much less an empire.

Having been there myself and talking recently to my brother-in-law who just got back and was part of cleaning up Sadr City, this story nails it.

The media has absolutely sucked on coverage of the Iraq war and has been negative and finger pointing for a very long time.

Whether you agree or disagree with our being there, it's hard to deny that we are currently successfull in our mission.

And you are not in a position 'on the ground' to judge a lot of the strategic errors of the war. Your blind praise for it without caveats, ignoring the enormous problems from the tens of billions stolen and wasted, to the millions of Iraqis driven from their homes and refugees in other countries, to the needless creation of the insurgency by mistaken policies when the Iraqi military could easily have been put to good use among other issues, shows that you have a lack of larger perspective, even while you are very informed on some specifics.
 

TallBill

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Originally posted by: Craig234

And you are not in a position 'on the ground' to judge a lot of the strategic errors of the war. Your blind praise for it without caveats, ignoring the enormous problems from the tens of billions stolen and wasted, to the millions of Iraqis driven from their homes and refugees in other countries, to the needless creation of the insurgency by mistaken policies when the Iraqi military could easily have been put to good use among other issues, shows that you have a lack of larger perspective, even while you are very informed on some specifics.

LoL, did you even bother reading any of my posts either?
 

Craig234

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Originally posted by: TallBill
Originally posted by: Craig234

And you are not in a position 'on the ground' to judge a lot of the strategic errors of the war. Your blind praise for it without caveats, ignoring the enormous problems from the tens of billions stolen and wasted, to the millions of Iraqis driven from their homes and refugees in other countries, to the needless creation of the insurgency by mistaken policies when the Iraqi military could easily have been put to good use among other issues, shows that you have a lack of larger perspective, even while you are very informed on some specifics.

LoL, did you even bother reading any of my posts either?

I read all of your comments, and bits of the crap from the Murdock rag. If I missed the topics I mentioned being covered, please correct me. Did I miss that?
 

lupi

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Haven't you heard from Hussein? The surge was a failure and we're now just waiting for the troops to be pulled out, that's why there is no coverage.