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[SkyDiver]

Hi All,

I must not be thinking clearly right now, because I can't find the file I need to point to in WinXP to recognize my new Asus P5W build with a SATA drive as primary.

Can anyone help me out?

Thanks.

P.S. I posted this in the Motherboard forum, but I think I'm the only moron in that area on Christmas Eve and I don't know how to delete a post.

 

[Jeff7]

Go here, enter P5W in the search box, and select your exact motherboard model.
In the list of things to download, select RAID. Download the package, and open the zipfile.
In the file I downloaded, there was a RAID folder. In that, was a "floppy" folder. The files inside there are the ones you need to put on a floppy disk so that Windows can find them when you press F6 during setup.
At least I assume that this is what you're after. Are you doing a Windows install, or are you installing drivers on an existing installation?

 

[SkyDiver]

Hi Jeff,

Thanks for the reply. I'm installing fresh from a WinXP SP1 disk. I thought that SP1 was supposed to recognize Sata, but it does not seem to.

 

[boomerang]

A lot of boards have two SATA controllers. One is native to the chipset and needs no drivers. The second will. Sometimes just plugging into a different port is all you need to do.

I'm not familiar with your board, but the manual should spell this all out.

 

[SkyDiver]

boomerang, I think that it is WinXP that needs the driver to recognize SATA. I have old XP install disks.

 

[boomerang]

Current inplementations of SATA (as your board is) do not require drivers of any kind for SATA ports associated with the chipset on the board. The BIOS deals with them internally as PATA even though they are SATA. Having said that, installing the chipset drivers (which XP will NOT have) after your XP install will give you full performance. You do NOT need drivers to install XP to a SATA drive connected to one of those ports.

Many, many modern motherboards also have a chip that controlls additional SATA ports. This chip is not part of the chipset itself and you WILL need drivers to install XP on a drive connected to one of those ports.

You may have a BIOS issue. Is the drive recognized at boot? You may need to futz with the BIOS to get it recognized. But a little due diligence will tell you what ports are native to the chipset and you will not need drivers when connected to those.

I could tell which are which, but there are a lot of versions of your board. Which do you have?

 

[SkyDiver]

I have the
Asus P5W DH Deluxe. I've got it connected to SATA1, which I believe is the Intel chipset. The MB recognizes it, but I can't get WinXP to recognize it. Any advice? (I'm going to run down and get my manual and make sure of what I just said.

 

[secretanchitman]

any chance of getting a win xp sp2 disc?

did you try updating the bios to 1705? you can use a flash drive to update it (nice feature).

 

[imported_browsing]

Originally posted by: boomerang
Current inplementations of SATA (as your board is) do not require drivers of any kind for SATA ports associated with the chipset on the board. The BIOS deals with them internally as PATA even though they are SATA. Having said that, installing the chipset drivers (which XP will NOT have) after your XP install will give you full performance. You do NOT need drivers to install XP to a SATA drive connected to one of those ports.

Many, many modern motherboards also have a chip that controlls additional SATA ports. This chip is not part of the chipset itself and you WILL need drivers to install XP on a drive connected to one of those ports.

You may have a BIOS issue. Is the drive recognized at boot? You may need to futz with the BIOS to get it recognized. But a little due diligence will tell you what ports are native to the chipset and you will not need drivers when connected to those.

I could tell which are which, but there are a lot of versions of your board. Which do you have?

Wait, what drivers are you talking about? I've got the p5w dh and I don't remember ever installing extra sata drivers after installing windows... where are they, or is it not applicable if you've run windows update?

 

[SkyDiver]

secretanchitman: Maybe I could get an SP2 disk from work eventually, but I was hoping to have this up and gaming tomorrow when some friends are coming over. What will updating to 1705 do for me? I'll have to look that up.

boomerang: I tried every variation of PATA and SATA in the "Configure SATA as [Standard IDE]" section.

 

[SkyDiver]

boomerang: I read this in the manual, "Important notes on Serial ATA. You must install Win2kSP4 or WinXP SP1 before using Serial ATA hard disk drives." Page 2-33.

 

[boomerang]

Originally posted by: SkyDiver
I have the
Asus P5W DH Deluxe. I've got it connected to SATA1, which I believe is the Intel chipset. The MB recognizes it, but I can't get WinXP to recognize it. Any advice?

Give me more information. What do you mean by XP won't recognize it?

To save time;

Reset your CMOS to revert back to default settings. There has been a suggestion to flash your BIOS, I don't feel this will help you with this, but myself, I always flash to the latest version on a new build prior to installing the OS.

You say SATA1, the red connector, correct?

I see that statement in your manual. It goes on to talk about RAID in the same paragraph. I think this is a translation thing.

Edit: I have done a little reading this morning. Both the manual and at the Asus site. You have a very complex motherboard on your hands with complex BIOS settings and jumper configurations.

Your first instinct was good - the Motherboards forum. Have you tried the Asus forums? The one I linked to is specifically for your board. I do not see your exact question there, but there are similar questions. There is a stickied post at the top regarding drivers. Look at item 3. This may be your answer and may prove me wrong.

Please note that I still feel that it should be easy to set this up for what you want to do. If you want, go ahead and answer my questions above especially in regards to more information.

It's Christmas, I can't be here as often as I wish.

 

[boomerang]

Originally posted by: browsing

Originally posted by: boomerang
Many, many modern motherboards also have a chip that controlls additional SATA ports. This chip is not part of the chipset itself and you WILL need drivers to install XP on a drive connected to one of those ports.

Wait, what drivers are you talking about? I've got the p5w dh and I don't remember ever installing extra sata drivers after installing windows... where are they, or is it not applicable if you've run windows update?

If you're referring to the above parapgraph, I'm speaking in generalities because at that time, I didn't know what model P5W he had.

 

[TroyEade]

I've downloaded the manual, as this is the board I want (when its in stock I will order one). You need SP2, do a search on google for finding out how to slipstream SP2 onto XP and then burn that as a bootable CD, this should fix your problem,

Cheers,

Troy

 

[Bozo Galora]

This is not the "Stupidets" post ever, its the most posted topic in Gen Hardware - at least twice a week.
Why they dont make a sticky about this I'll never know.

You need XP CD with SP2 EMBEDDED to UTILIZE GENERIC MS "drivers" in recognizing SATA HDD during setup routine, when installing ONLY to native to mobo chipset SATA ports.
SP1 will not work on anything even remotely recent in mobo SATA
If you use the SATA/ SATARAID drivers from Intel or Nvidia or VIA (your mobo driver CD) you will be installing THEIR "drivers", not MS. The transfer rate difference will be nil, and MS implementation has less probs.
The "Other" ADDITIONAL (separate mobo chip) SATA ports always require their OWN "drivers" - i.e. Marvel, SI and VIA etc.
Always jumper your SATA HDD as V1 not VII as good preventative medicine

Its simple:
Use the "F6" option for floppy SATA driver install - you get specific brand/version driver
Ignore F6 (SP2 only) - you get "work with everything native" MS driver.
All you have to do is look in dev manager to see what you in fact have installed.

Use nlite to slipstream your current CD
(266MB SP2 is easily acquired from MS site)
http://www.nliteos.com/

Edited for cleaned up grammer

 

[boomerang]

I learned something today. I've had SP2 slipstreamed since its release but had no idea it was required for this. And I'm here a lot. No wonder all my SATA builds worked!

 

[SkyDiver]

Thanks for all the replies, guys. Slept for 5 hours and ready to hit it again. I have the SP2 OEM file in a directory. Didn't have the right version of EZ Media Creator, so I never ended up slipstreaming, but now may be the time.

 

[boomerang]

Sounds like it. I'm sorry for wasting all your time answering my questions. Like I said, I learned something myself today.

 

[SkyDiver]

I'm very grateful for the assistance.

 

[Bozo Galora]

well, it IS Christmas

Ho Ho Ho

 

[SkyDiver]

Update: I created an XP SP2 install disk with NliteOS (thanks Bozo) and it still hangs when it gets to "Loading Windows." It tells me the drive is unrecognized or something like that. Question: When my Seagate 7200.10 came, it had a jumper that limited it to 1.5 GB/S. I removed it, thinking that it was going onto a new sata channel and ought to work at full speed. However, I noticed that on the drive, it said that the jumper was for "factory use only" or something like that. Could this be an issue?

I updated to the lated BIOS, 1705 or something like that. It tells me that the drive is not configured properly and tells me to fix it in the BIOS. Nothing seems to work. Right now I've got it set to AHCI. Also, does it matter what SATA cable I'm using? I'm using one that looks the same on both sides. I have another cable that has a 90 degree angle for the final connector to sit flat. Is that a cable that must be installed on the MB or drive side?

 

[SkyDiver]

Another Update: I don't think the jumper is the issue. Here is some text from a review of the Seagate Barracude 7200.10
"The jumper placement determines whether the drive operates at 1.5 Gb/s or 3.0 Gb/s. If you have an older motherboard that does not include support for SATA 3.0 Gb/s (often mistakenly referred to as SATA II), then you should go ahead and keep the jumper in to ensure compatibility. Otherwise, you will want to remove the jumper to maximize performance."

 

[Bozo Galora]

(something told me this wouldnt be a clean one)

leave the jumper on, SATA II (now renamed SATA I/O) is marketing BS
use the seagate disk wizard downloaded and unzipped to 2 floppies to partition and format your drive
http://www.seagate.com/support/disc/drivers/discwiz.html
(DOS boot floppies)
In advanced you can create multiple parts/file systems - takes seconds
The install is really telling you to get the bios set to SATA/Bootable, not IDE.
I have not downloaded your P5W manual (and I hope I dont) but generally, set your bios to boot first from that HDD, set boot HDD as SATA and turn off IDE HDD stuff
Never run more than 1 stick RAM during XP install

Edit:
>>>>>>>>>>Need to know which P5W exactly<<<<<<<<<<<<

 

[SkyDiver]

Thanks Bozo. Sounds like great ideas. I'll let you know what happens.

********** Model is P5W DH Deluxe **********

 

[Bozo Galora]

Make sure you are plugged into SATA 1 - RED molex