Stupid or Ballsy? All in pre-flop with...

[thereds]

ducks!

 

[Phoenix86]

Stupid.

 

[PokerGuy]

Depends on the situation. Sometimes that's perfectly fine and a good move, other times it's stupid.

 

[child of wonder]

IIRC a pair vs. two over cards is pretty close to 50/50 odds.

 

[Connoisseur]

Very stupid unless:
a) The person was very short stacked and only had a few blinds left to go.
b) The person was in position and sensed extreme weakness in everyone else's bet.

Pocket 2's odds of winning are extremely low.

 

[Nik]

If you have pocket deuce pair, MOST of the time it will be stupid not to fold. However, if you're late after the button and there are only a couple players playing, it would actually be wrong not to call. You would never raise (much less go all in) pre-flop with that hand, though.

 

[Spooner]

i presume that was not for real money

 

[weirdichi]

Gotta give more information. Were they pushing to steal blinds? calling?

 

[Ika]

depends on the pre-flop action. it was probably a stupid move, considering big slick on the button - probably raised into the ducks. at best it's 50/50, at worst its 20/80. Not such good odds, especially when you're 1) raised into, 2) covered by the raiser.

 

[Connoisseur]

IIRC a pair vs. two over cards is pretty close to 50/50 odds.

That's the problem. in the BEST case scenario it's 50/50 pre-flop. It doesn't go higher than that. This is assuming heads-up play. When you add more players to the table, odds go down SIGNIFICANTLY. These aren't pocket face cards or anything. The other player could pair up on ANYTHING on the board and would win (not to mention other possibilities like straights, flushes etc.).

In my opinion, pocket 2's should only be played if you:
a) You can afford to limp in to see if you hit the set
b) don't have too many chips left and need to get lucky
c) you're in position (last to bet) and sense extreme weakness

 

[bfdd]

stupid move. that was just a bluff that paid off.

 

[thereds]

i presume that was not for real money

Nope. Real $.

 

[GagHalfrunt]

Unless you're short-stacked in a tournament and desperately need to play a hand before the blinds knock you out, it's stupid. You're going to lose that hand more often than you win it.

 

[darkxshade]

why can't he be both stupid and ballsy?

 

[fulltilt39]

Nope. Real $.

other factors would be:

1. how much was the buy-in?
2. what % of your bankroll is the buy-in?
3. how much do you care (or not, apparently) about the buy-in?

for me, if i actually wanted to go deep into a tourney, i would never make that move. of course there are exceptions - if the person raising/calling has been playing loose, you have a large stack,...stuff others have mentioned.

if you're any good at poker, you probably already know the answer to your question - you just want to show everyone that you got lucky (like some people who will go nameless posting pics of the hot girlz they were "friends" with LOL).

 

[Krazy4Real]

Damn son! Your balls are dragging on the floor!

 

[PokerGuy]

How many times have you heard the expression "play the players, not the cards"? What you're holding sometimes really doesn't matter at all. You can often play and win hands without even looking at your cards.

 

[thereds]

FYI, that wasn't me. I was just viewing a $10/$20 table.

Believe the loser had about $2,200 and the winner had about $1,800 odd before the round started. The guy with the ducks raised pre-flop, got re-raised, and then went all in.

 

[fulltilt39]

FYI, that wasn't me. I was just viewing a $10/$20 table.

Believe the loser had about $2,200 and the winner had about $1,800 odd before the round started. The guy with the ducks raised pre-flop, got re-raised, and then went all in.

haha - of course it wasnt <wink> <wink>

if everyone had praised you, it would've been, tho....

 

[thereds]

haha - of course it wasnt <wink> <wink>

if everyone had praised you, it would've been, tho....

Pretty sure I can't afford to play poker with those kind of stakes.

 

[bfdd]

FYI, that wasn't me. I was just viewing a $10/$20 table.

Believe the loser had about $2,200 and the winner had about $1,800 odd before the round started. The guy with the ducks raised pre-flop, got re-raised, and then went all in.

Ah he was bluffing with his twos, good thing it paid off. I was in a 30 man tourney and got to heads up and I was way small stack compared to this guy. Got him a few times to even the odds, he had like 1000 more in chips than I did, which wasn't shit to like 50k chip stacks. I picked up KQ spades, I raised pre flop, he rerose, I went all in and he sat there for a second thinking about it. He was like "I'm going to throw it away" started to and then stopped and was like "nah lets gamble" and pushed in fliped over 2s. Flop was like AT4 with A and 4 of spades. Lost the hand, so many outs and fucking bricked it. Next two cards were a 9 and a 4. so sad Would have made like 2500 bucks instead of a grand if I won.

 

[Udgnim]

completely depends on metagame of table and the players he's going up against

being willing to get it all in with pocket 2s preflop widens his shoving range and forces other players to consider what his shoving range is and their hand equities against it

all successful players at high stakes online cash games have huge ranges and the guy has a better idea of how to play the game than everyone that has posted in this thread

http://www.pokertableratings.com/fulltilt-player-search/AAROOKIE

 

[ChaoZ]

Didn't know you could others' tables. What prevents cheating?

 

[Ika]

Didn't know you could others' tables. What prevents cheating?

he probably doesn't get to see any cards except ones flipped up, as a regular audience would.

also I think this particular hand was a "replay", as you can see by the controls in the bottom right.

 

[weirdichi]

FYI, that wasn't me. I was just viewing a $10/$20 table.

Believe the loser had about $2,200 and the winner had about $1,800 odd before the round started. The guy with the ducks raised pre-flop, got re-raised, and then went all in.

I think it's a stupid move that paid off. I think most players would've folded the deuces after the reraise if it was a huge raise. They certainly wouldn't have pushed all in with that many people at the table and at most would've just called it hoping to get lucky hitting trips. The other guy has such a high chance of winning the coin flip since the board could pair and his kicker would play or other various outcomes, as mentioned already. There are so many other factors that are missing from here that there might not be a correct way to assess the hand.