Stupid (and now former) new employee

[OutHouse]

And you should be fired right now on the spot. I don't care if you get your work done and you are a good employee.
We pay you to sit in the cube so just work slower and don't do as good a job so there is more work to do the next day.


/deeerrrrrr....

the google work model only works at google. sorry but he is a new hire and to do shit like that he deserved to get the boot. he knew the rules, his boss layed them out to him and he tried to bend them to see how far he could take it. now he has to explain to dear ole dad on why he got canned on a pretty decent fresh out of college job/wage.

 

[CRXican]

For me, what's worse than the 8 hours/day 40 hours/week requirement is that I work at an online only company but I still have to drive to the office everyday. 25 miles each way when I could do it all from home. I'm only 25 miles away and I still live the farthest from work.

 

[Leros]

Some people can do amazing amounts of work in 30 hours a week (more than a typical employee at 40 hours) but they get burnt out after 5 hours a day. One of the most productive guys I know only works about 30 hours a week, but he gets away with it by being really productive when he's at work.

A guy working at a fast speed for 5 hours can easily do more work than an average employee during 8. Not saying that is what the guy in the OP did, but who knows.

 

[Blitzvogel]

Regardless of completion of work, he was entirely deceptive about his absence yielding no real information as to why he was doing it. It was done in a secretive manner nonetheless and on company time. If he had a good reason to leave for a couple hours a day, he should've asked to be allowed such practice, and I'm sure, if he had proved to be a valuable employee within 2 months of employment (not likely lol), something could've been worked out if it was over an important issue.

Dumb kid. Way to waste a good job when so many would kill to make that much money fresh out of college in this kind of market. I barely make half that and I feel pretty lucky when I see all the poor saps who are desperate for work.

 

[kranky]

The part that bothers me is the manager having to check with security to find out when he came and went. Does the manager really not know when his team members are not there? Does the manager really not know if work is being done?

The reason for verifying the badge readings was to make sure there was no room for misunderstanding what was really going on. If it had turned out the guy never left the building but was just not at his desk, it would have been a different discussion.

When people are in and out of meetings all day long in different parts of the building, should the manager really need to know where everyone is at every moment? Or is it sufficient for a manager to assume when someone is not at their desk, they are in a meeting or doing something else that is appropriate? Generally we are going to assume the employee is acting appropriately. We don't write hall passes for people who have to leave their desk.

 

[kranky]

Just a comment on the concept of as long as you get your work done, you don't have to physically sit in the office for 40 hours. I personally am OK with that idea, but over the years I have seen executives come in who just don't buy it. So my advice is stay aware of what the mood is at higher levels regarding number of hours in the office.

We had a CEO years ago who hated looking out in the parking lot at 5 PM and seeing that 95% of the people had gone home. Every so often he would grab project schedules and for the ones that were behind schedule, he'd ream out the project leaders the next day about their lack of commitment to their projects. He didn't get to work until 9, so he never saw how many people were in the office at 6 or 6:30 AM.

He even admitted he had a preference towards people who worked late rather than start early. Three people exploited that into VP positions by adjusting their hours to match his. So when he was walking around at 6 PM, they could always be found hard at work. The point is to just be aware of what the prevailing culture is.

 

[AreaCode707]

The part that bothers me is the manager having to check with security to find out when he came and went. Does the manager really not know when his team members are not there? Does the manager really not know if work is being done?

It's been years since I've had a manager that would even notice if I didn't show up. They would sure as heck notice within a few days if the work wasn't getting done, but my physical whereabouts? They would have no clue.

 

[Fritzo]

We recently fired a marketing manager that was outsourcing all of his work and charging it to the company credit card. That's both awesome and ballsy at the same time.

"I need a report on our analytics stats."
"No problem boss!" ::calls marketing firm:: "How fast can you gather analytics info for me? Great! Email me the report. Here's the credit card."

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

LOL @ loozerz working in an office.

 

[gorcorps]

It's been years since I've had a manager that would even notice if I didn't show up.

You sound important...



:awe:

 

[SMOGZINN]

Does not matter how long someone has worked. What matter is what is expected out of each employee.
If MGT is worth anything then they have guidlines on what work is expectd based on pay/exp. If XYZ is what they expect out of new employees; my question stands, was he doing his job?

Today's companies’ goals are to increase profit by increasing efficiency. It has long been decided that it is inefficient to pay employees on a work basis, but instead it is better to pay on an hourly basis and try to force as much work out of them as possible. Companies understand that greater efficiency is often bought with decreased quality and are willing to make that tradeoff because decreased quality takes longer to be noticed and therefore does not affect this quarter’s result. For upper management there is more incentive in bonuses that are linked to immediate profit then in long term stability.

This is just one example of the degredation of work ethic over the last 20 years. Sure, you would occasionally see veteran employees finding ways to get out of work, but now even the newbies are trying it.

Why would anyone have a work ethic when it is used as a weapon aginst them?

 

[AreaCode707]

You sound important...



:awe:

Unfortunately, in my last two jobs, if I wasn't online 12-18 hours a day, 300+ people would know immediately. Nothing like being the only person in an operational department (first HR, then Legal) to maintain a set of very tetchy third party systems that love to go down.

Physical presence doesn't mean a lot in some industries and roles anymore.

 

[szechuanpork]

i would love to make 55k.

 

[CRXican]

Guess I can stop worrying. Getting laid off.

Hooray!

 

[Red Squirrel]

Wow he was lucky to get a 55k job right out of school, I don't get how people will just blow something like this. With that salary he could have settled himself into house and started a decent life, but nope he had to blow it. What a moron.

I make around 55k, there's no way I'd want to burn this bridge. I consider myself well off at my job.

 

[Red Squirrel]

For me, what's worse than the 8 hours/day 40 hours/week requirement is that I work at an online only company but I still have to drive to the office everyday. 25 miles each way when I could do it all from home. I'm only 25 miles away and I still live the farthest from work.

I don't get this either. With today's technology, there's no reason why we should need to even "go to work" for non physical jobs.

I always dream of working from home, would be so awesome.

 

[Krynj]

Wow he was lucky to get a 55k job right out of school, I don't get how people will just blow something like this. With that salary he could have settled himself into house and started a decent life, but nope he had to blow it. What a moron.

I make around 55k, there's no way I'd want to burn this bridge. I consider myself well off at my job.

Most likely comes from a wealthy family, and this was his first real job. Doesn't seem to have a firm grasp on the real world. He's probably never had to pay his own way.

 

[Red Squirrel]

Most likely comes from a wealthy family, and this was his first real job. Doesn't seem to have a firm grasp on the real world. He's probably never had to pay his own way.

That could very well be.

We have a summer student who's family is really rich, and I could totally see him pull crap like this off. I've already seen him do stupid things like totally fall asleep in a meeting, or just walk out of it etc... yes those meetings are ridiculously boring and do not pertain to him, but they bring him in so he can get an idea of what it's like, and he pulls off those stunts.

The worse thing is, some people like this figure their parents will bail them out of everything, and even worse, often they do.

 

[Triumph]

Most likely comes from a wealthy family, and this was his first real job. Doesn't seem to have a firm grasp on the real world. He's probably never had to pay his own way.

The worst part is he probably doesn't think he did anything wrong. In his mind he is probably the victim of bad management who was out to get him.

 

[ModerateRepZero]

Regardless of completion of work, he was entirely deceptive about his absence yielding no real information as to why he was doing it. It was done in a secretive manner nonetheless and on company time. If he had a good reason to leave for a couple hours a day, he should've asked to be allowed such practice, and I'm sure, if he had proved to be a valuable employee within 2 months of employment (not likely lol), something could've been worked out if it was over an important issue.

Dumb kid. Way to waste a good job when so many would kill to make that much money fresh out of college in this kind of market. I barely make half that and I feel pretty lucky when I see all the poor saps who are desperate for work.

This ^^. Flexible job hours was not the issue, the deception involved in being paid for hours not worked was. It never ceases to amaze me how clueless people can be about monitoring; did he think that people *wouldn't* check his punch in card / ID badge, etc?

 

[Kirby]

I don't get this either. With today's technology, there's no reason why we should need to even "go to work" for non physical jobs.

I always dream of working from home, would be so awesome.

<one line of code>
<jerk off>
<one line of code>
<jerk off>
...

 

[lokiju]

If he was doing that after being asked about it and being put on a action plan of sorts, sure, fire his ass. But it sounds like he didn't even get a warning.

Sure it's dumb to do but maybe the rookie out of college working his first "real" job doesn't know how the world works.

 

[Fritzo]

I don't get this either. With today's technology, there's no reason why we should need to even "go to work" for non physical jobs.

I always dream of working from home, would be so awesome.

Working from home sucks. It really does. You feel like you should be able to do anything you want, but you can't. Your boss expects more of you because he's afraid you're slacking off. Family thinks since you're home you're able to do anything they need.

It's easier to go to work. Trust me.

 

[Hoober]

Working from home sucks. It really does. You feel like you should be able to do anything you want, but you can't. Your boss expects more of you because he's afraid you're slacking off. Family thinks since you're home you're able to do anything they need.

It's easier to go to work. Trust me.

I love working from home. My boss respects my private life and my family respects the fact that I need to work. It would be difficult going back to a traditional office.

 

[Macamus Prime]

Ahh ATOT, laughing at a 55K job....

These armchair billionares shit $55K after breakfast every morning.