Stupak Kickback - Funding for 3 airports in his district

[Patranus]

U.S. Congressman Bart Stupak (D-Menominee) announced three airports in northern Michigan have received grants totaling $726,409 for airport maintenance and improvements. The funding was provided by the U.S. Department of Transportation Federal Aviation Administration

http://www.house.gov/apps/list/speech/mi01_stupak/morenews/20100319faagrant.html



Maybe related maybe not.
(Why is the federal government paying for municipal airports?)

 

[Fear No Evil]

It will be interesting once we hear all the payoffs that were given to get this passed.

 

[bob4432]

so, we need to start a list of the enemies of the state....

 

[CADsortaGUY]

so, we need to start a list of the enemies of the state....

219 in the house.

 

[Craig234]

It will be interesting once we hear all the payoffs that were given to get this passed.

While we're waiting, let's hear you on the Republican payoffs for Medicare Part D.

You can start with the bill's handler, who then quit Congress and took a position as a healthcare indutry's head of lobbying for $2 million a year.

Guess that's slipped by you - now you can say your position on the other side.

 

[Slew Foot]

Im sure the "cornhusker kickback" was extrapolated many times over tog et this passed.

 

[Cuda1447]

While we're waiting, let's hear you on the Republican payoffs for Medicare Part D.

You can start with the bill's handler, who then quit Congress and took a position as a healthcare indutry's head of lobbying for $2 million a year.

Guess that's slipped by you - now you can say your position on the other side.

Two wrongs don't make a right, fucknut. If somethings worth doing, its worth doing without kickbacks. Obviously this wasn't worth doing if there are a shit-ton of kickbacks. Ah well, corrupt government at its best. Rather than having a society that wants to fix our corrupt government, we have a society full of fucknuts (like craig and dmcowen) who want to pick which side of corruption they will stand on.


*sigh*

 

[UberNeuman]

Two wrongs don't make a right, fucknut. If somethings worth doing, its worth doing without kickbacks. Obviously this wasn't worth doing if there are a shit-ton of kickbacks. Ah well, corrupt government at its best. Rather than having a society that wants to fix our corrupt government, we have a society full of fucknuts (like craig and dmcowen) who want to pick which side of corruption they will stand on.


*sigh*

Do you consider yourself a better of craig and dmcowen?

\do you drink from a poisoned cup when the nectar seems as sweet....

 

[Cuda1447]

Do you consider yourself a better of craig and dmcowen?

\do you drink from a poisoned cup when the nectar seems as sweet....

I consider myself much better than Craig and DMCowen. I am able to look at things objectively and not take sides. I can say honestly, that both sides are VERY corrupt. I can also say that I have been vocal on these boards about this very issue for quite some time now. I don't support most of the things occurring in the government.

All Craig and DMC can say (As well as the right wing whacko's) is that they picked a side.


Essentially, it's like this. You live in the ghetto. This ghetto is run by two gangs. They both steal, kill and make money. When asked how you feel about the situation, you say "Well, I like side A. Side B sucks" Rather than saying "This is bullshit, we need to get rid of these gangs and fix this city".


I guess its just easier to pick a side than think for your self.

 

[UberNeuman]

I consider myself much better than Craig and DMCowen. I am able to look at things objectively and not take sides. I can say honestly, that both sides are VERY corrupt. I can also say that I have been vocal on these boards about this very issue for quite some time now. I don't support most of the things occurring in the government.

All Craig and DMC can say (As well as the right wing whacko's) is that they picked a side.


Essentially, it's like this. You live in the ghetto. This ghetto is run by two gangs. They both steal, kill and make money. When asked how you feel about the situation, you say "Well, I like side A. Side B sucks" Rather than saying "This is bullshit, we need to get rid of these gangs and fix this city".


I guess its just easier to pick a side than think for your self.

So, what would you like to change?

 

[Zebo]

I think what Craig is trying to say is this type of payola in congress (or politics for that matter) is as common as sun rising. Just wait it will only get worser with corps electing our congress critters.

 

[cubby1223]

While we're waiting, let's hear you on the Republican payoffs for Medicare Part D.

You can start with the bill's handler, who then quit Congress and took a position as a healthcare indutry's head of lobbying for $2 million a year.

Guess that's slipped by you - now you can say your position on the other side.

So exactly how do you propose we go back and wipe out that legislation? Hey, I'm all for removing that entitlement.

Otherwise, how does that affect this here now?

 

[sciwizam]

While we're waiting, let's hear you on the Republican payoffs for Medicare Part D.

You can start with the bill's handler, who then quit Congress and took a position as a healthcare indutry's head of lobbying for $2 million a year.

Guess that's slipped by you - now you can say your position on the other side.

Are you talking about Billy Tauzin? The Billy Tauzin, of PhRMA, with whom the White House made a secret backroom deal way back in August? The deal that preserves no drug price negotiations and no drug re-importation from Canada? Just so we are clear. :|

http://blog.sunlightfoundation.com/2010/02/12/the-legacy-of-billy-tauzin-the-white-house-phrma-deal/The Legacy of Billy Tauzin: The White House-PhRMA Deal

 

[Craig234]

So exactly how do you propose we go back and wipe out that legislation? Hey, I'm all for removing that entitlement.

I'm for the entitlement - but not the corrupt manner of 'no negotiating drug prices'.

I'm very disappointed in the Democrats for not fixing that - and also alarmed at the political power of the drug companies leading the Obama administration to seem to feel it needed to do the same on this healthcare bill to get it passed, so it didn't suffer the same as Clinton's effort (and with a 4 vote margin, it does look like every bit counted).

We need to get the big pharma political power below the public interest in both parties, and isnce that's unlikely, at least in the majority party.

Otherwise, how does that affect this here now?

The comment was to a poster about his pattern of one-sided posts, not any effect on the issue of what the Democrats are doing.

Some like to have double standards, and that's harmful.

It's not about two wrongs make a right, it's about pointing out there are two wrongs, not a pure an innocent side pointing out one wrong, when they're actually worse.

It's important to point out who's worse, because a lot of political bad choices are based on wrongly picking the lesser evil, and the greater evil playing innocent should be corrected.

It's important to dispell the notion that the Republicans offer some choice that does not include any favors and arm twisting - something the poster above doesn't do IMO.

It's important to note the more accurate history, since the parties are being compared.

We don't know the situation with this bill and the Democrats yet. We know they passed some favors, criticized them, and the big ones we weard are being repealed.

Imagine if the Democrat who led the bill to passage resigned next month to work for the insurance industry in a $2 million position lobbying for them. Imagine if Democrats had lost the vote today - and then for the first time in congressional history, held the vote open after it had closed all night long, walking the floor with threats and bribes until they changed votes about 5AM and 'won'. But they couldn't be the first - that was the Republicans in Medicare Part D.

It doesn't make the Democrats any less wrong for wrongs they did, if they did, but it is useful to understand the history, since the parties are in competition.

Making an uproar about trading favors in Congress for passing a big bill really should make some effort to do so in a more consistent manner - understanding the usual practices and being a bit consistent about them and not ignoring them 99% of the time and treating one situation as the only time it's happened when it's convenient for the issue you are against.

If you want to oppose the way Congress does things, it should be done not just for one issue.

I have to give Republicans credit for being a lot better at riling up the public about practices they did themselves, than the Democrats.

Of course they're so 'good' at it that a lot of it is made up, lies or exaggeration, but some actual things are involved too.

 

[Craig234]

Are you talking about Billy Tauzin? The Billy Tauzin, of PhRMA, with whom the White House made a secret backroom deal way back in August? The deal that preserves no drug price negotiations and no drug re-importation from Canada? Just so we are clear. :|

http://blog.sunlightfoundation.com/2010/02/12/the-legacy-of-billy-tauzin-the-white-house-phrma-deal/The Legacy of Billy Tauzin: The White House-PhRMA Deal

Yes.

http://hcrenewal.blogspot.com/2007/04/ugliest-night-i-have-ever-seen-60.html

 

[FuzzyBee]

The comment was to a poster about his pattern of one-sided posts, not any effect on the issue of what the Democrats are doing.

Some like to have double standards, and that's harmful.

Just curious: Do the blinders you have on hurt? See them on horses makes me think they would hurt the head after wearing them for a while.

 

[Craig234]

Just curious: Do the blinders you have on hurt? See them on horses makes me think they would hurt the head after wearing them for a while.

Did the fall on your head as a child hurt, similar to Frum's? Yo post idiocy. You can't back it up with argument. You just post ad hominem trash.

 

[Genx87]

Did the fall on your head as a child hurt, similar to Frum's? Yo post idiocy. You can't back it up with argument. You just post ad hominem trash.

Hard to imagine that word coming out of Craig234's keyboard.

 

[nick1985]

Craig using the word idiot. Color me surprised.

 

[FuzzyBee]

Did the fall on your head as a child hurt, similar to Frum's? Yo post idiocy. You can't back it up with argument. You just post ad hominem trash.

And "yo" post ignorance. Your only "argument" is that you honestly believe "your" politicians have your best interest at heart, because of the capital letter that follows their name.

Once again - do those blinders hurt?

 

[heyheybooboo]

You guys need to adjust your tin foil hats ....

or stop spending so much time in Freeper World.



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[IndyColtsFan]

While we're waiting, let's hear you on the Republican payoffs for Medicare Part D.

You can start with the bill's handler, who then quit Congress and took a position as a healthcare indutry's head of lobbying for $2 million a year.

Guess that's slipped by you - now you can say your position on the other side.

Craig, just because one party did it doesn't make it right. And I am the first to admit that Republicans abuse these kinds of pork barrel projects the same as Democrats. The fact is, it needs to stop. If a project doesn't have enough justification to pass on its own merits, it needs to be dropped or funded elsewhere. Period.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Hard to imagine that word coming out of Craig234's keyboard.

In addition to the internet tax, maybe we could tax the use of the words idiot and liar on AT P&N. Craig would pay the total cost of healthcare himself.

 

[Linflas]

Craig, just because one party did it doesn't make it right. And I am the first to admit that Republicans abuse these kinds of pork barrel projects the same as Democrats. The fact is, it needs to stop. If a project doesn't have enough justification to pass on its own merits, it needs to be dropped or funded elsewhere. Period.

Isn't it amusing how so many of these debates come down to something that we all really should have learned in kindergarten: 2 wrongs do not make a right. Republicans doing things they know are wrong and they scream about when the Democrats do them and Democrats doing things they know are wrong and they scream about when Republicans do not make the wrong right.

 

[nonlnear]

Hard to imagine that word coming out of Craig234's keyboard.

His keyboard learned it by osmosis.