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Studying for Sociological Theory test... read this passage from the book...

Spoooon

Lifer
See if you can tell me what this says:

For ethnomethodology the objective reality of social facts, in that, and just how, it is every society's locally, endogenously produced, naturally organized, reflexively accountable, ongoing, practical achievement, being everywhere, always, only, exactly and entirely, members' work, with no time out, and with no possibility of evasion, hiding out, passing, postponement, or buy-outs, is thereby sociology's fundamental phenomenon. (Garfinkel, 1991)

Apparently, it says that ethnomethodology is concerned with the organization of everyday life. I don't think I would ever figured that out without the book coming right out and saying it. 😉

edit: If the test was important, but you had to wake up in 5 hours, would you just stay up studying or try to get some sleep?
 
Basically, if you say what you say, without saying what you meant, then you didn't exactly mean what you said.

Ooorrrr...


You're in college for crying out loud...find a hottie and get happy.
 
Originally posted by: xuanman
just another sociologist's attempt to qualify the field as a social "science"

Well, that all depends on your definition of what science really is. Take a philosophy of science class and you'll find out more than you ever wanted to know. 😉
 
That's a sentence only Moonbeam would understand..

I'm with HappyPuppy on this, you should drop the class. Whoever wrote that textbook was more interested in hearing himself talk than in teaching sociology.
 
Originally posted by: Cyberian
That just might be the most awkward sentence I have ever seen.

Well, one guy that is critical of Garfinkel (the guy who wrote the sentence if you missed the citation) wrote:

Once again, Garfinkel elaborates very greatly points which are so commonplace that they would appear banal if stated in straightforward English. As it is, there is an extraordinarily high ratio of reading time to information transfer, so that the banality is not directly apparent upon a casual reading.


Heh.
 
Once again, Garfinkel elaborates very greatly points which are so commonplace that they would appear banal if stated in straightforward English.

The "If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit" approach.
 
Actually, Garfinkel makes a good point.

He claims that the everyday codes of interactions of a society are home-brewed. The people are responsible for the creation of their own cultures, communities, and that is occurs as a function of living together. Moreover, this can be objectively verified not as a universal phenomenon in terms of specifics but that the process of convention behind social interaction is everpresent and arbitrary, varying with the group. The study of this is what drives sociology.

Cheers ! 🙂
 
Originally posted by: Astaroth33
That's a sentence only Moonbeam would understand..

I'm with HappyPuppy on this, you should drop the class. Whoever wrote that textbook was more interested in hearing himself talk than in teaching sociology.

I understand it actually. Very poorly written sentence though.

So I agree with your second statement.

The "If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit" approach.

Exactly 🙂
 
Take an anthropology class next semester.. Sociology isn't as leet and apparently the people who write the books are full of crap.
 
Originally posted by: linuxboy
Actually, Garfinkel makes a good point.

He claims that the everyday codes of interactions of a society are home-brewed. The people are responsible for the creation of their own cultures, communities, and that is occurs as a function of living together. Moreover, this can be objectively verified not as a universal phenomenon in terms of specifics but that the process of convention behind social interaction is everpresent and arbitrary, varying with the group. The study of this is what drives sociology.

Cheers ! 🙂

you should be an editor. what you wrote is infinitely easier to understand than the garbage in the 1st post.
 
Originally posted by: HotChic
*English major frantically grabs red pens and tries to cross out commas and scrawl corrective comments*

you have to wonder who taught these people how to write.

theres a rule that the more dense and indecipherable a text is the less the author has to say
 
Originally posted by: xuanman
just another sociologist's attempt to qualify the field as a social "science"
The only way sociology wouldn't be science was if everyone was the same. But then again, anthropology is more scientific, as it's based on participant observation, not just theory.
 
Well I can tell you the sentence is not easy for Moonbeam to understand at all. In the first place it is an academic kind of thingi, a piece of intellectual analysis involving subject matter I know nothing about. I don't know what ethnomethodology means. I've never even heard of it. I also really don't know what sociology is although I certainly know that word and have some vague notion of its implication. I could not, however, rigorously define it. So without a grasp of those concepts or a contextual reference to put a background on the statement, while I can get some also vague sense of meaning, I have no idea what the importance or relevance the concept that was intended has for me personally. I do, however, enjoy ideas and love to look at how people see the world. Mr. Garfinkel seems to have some opinions on something or other. I would suspect that linuxboy's comments are informed and accurate if only marginally more comprehensible to me owing, again, I think to my lack of grounding in the subject.

"For ethnomethodology the objective reality of social facts, in that, and just how, it is every society's locally, endogenously produced, naturally organized, reflexively accountable, ongoing, practical achievement, being everywhere, always, only, exactly and entirely, members' work, with no time out, and with no possibility of evasion, hiding out, passing, postponement, or buy-outs, is thereby sociology's fundamental phenomenon. (Garfinkel, 1991)"

OK

Ethnomethodology is:

"The branch of sociology that deals with the codes and conventions that underlie everyday social interactions and activities.

Sociology is:

"The study of human social behavior, especially the study of the origins, organization, institutions, and development of human society.
Analysis of a social institution or societal segment as a self-contained entity or in relation to society as a whole. "

Looking at the sentence he seems to be saying, absent all the qualifiers, "For ethnomethodology the objective reality of social facts is thereby sociology's fundamental phenomenon. The 'thereby' probably refers to what is implied by the qualifiers. What does this mean?

I don't know but it seems to assume there are these things called social facts and that they are sociology's fundamental phenomenon. What a fundamental phenomenon is, I'm not sure either but I would assume he means the basics. So far I get this:

"There are things called 'social facts' that are objective (fact) and the meat and potatoes of sociology.

That leaves figuring out this:

"in that, and just how, it is every society's locally, endogenously produced, naturally organized, reflexively accountable, ongoing, practical achievement, being everywhere, always, only, exactly and entirely, members' work, with no time out, and with no possibility of evasion, hiding out, passing, postponement, or buy-outs"

Here is where I think a familiarity with Farfinkel's general line of thinking could be very informative because it seems that he is summing up a line of reasoning put forth elsewhere, and to which he assumes the reader has familiarity. The implication seems to be that he is providing supportive arguments explaining why the discussion is about something 'objective'. He seems to be referring to the "practical achievement of society". I don't know what that is other than the society itself or those social facts which is kind of like arguing that facts are facts because they are facts, but anyway. So he seems to say that how a society is, is local, self produced, has its own internal logic, and evolves, and that furthermore the members of any society cause this to happen exclusively themselves and in turn are unavoidably affected by what is produced.

So he seems to be saying that we produce and are the product of society with some hint that this is an important idea because there are many societies but they all operate on this fundamental principle.

I can see how somebody could say that he's complicating the obvious, but if you are trying to sum up a complex and lengthy philosophical analysis of many parts and wish to refer back to them all in summation, a sentence can become quite harry. Out of context and without familiarity with the background makes a real appreciation and perhaps full comprehension pretty tenuous.

The interesting question to me is why he makes these points. What is his aim. is it, as somebody suggested, to objectify a soft science. I don't know. What I like about it is the notion that some people attempt to analyze deeply what it never even enters the heads of most people to ponder. The one problem I would have with sociology, like psychology, is that it studies people as they are with not much thought to what they might become.



 
For ethnomethodology the objective reality of social facts, in that, and just how, it is every society's locally, endogenously produced, naturally organized, reflexively accountable, ongoing, practical achievement, being everywhere, always, only, exactly and entirely, members' work, with no time out, and with no possibility of evasion, hiding out, passing, postponement, or buy-outs, is thereby sociology's fundamental phenomenon. (Garfinkel, 1991)
Useless. THe guy can't write, because that sentence does not convey ideas in an effective manner whatsoever.
 
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