1. What you are saying now about mixed blood lines etc. directly contradicts what you said earlier about Eskimos being descendents of Neanderthals with some Homo Sapien mixed in. What do you believe. Make up your mind...they are both wrong according to modern science.
2. Current research leans toward it being impossible for a modern human and Neanderthal to mate. Everyone alive today is a modern human, thier is no mixed bloodline, but rather common precursor ancestors.
3. Those classifications you list are inventions based on physical appearence and have no basis in genetics which is what is really important here. Race does not exist as a scientific/genetic factor.
Are you reading this from a 50 year old textbook or something?? Mongoloid, negroid, caucasoid. How about the ever famous Autraloid for people who can't be lumped into any of these categories.
Nitemare
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Give me proof that I am wrong. Where did you take anthropology at? Stone tools of exactly the same kind that the Neanderthals used were found as far south as New Mexico. The land bridge was open during the same period that the Neanderthals were driven from Europe. Common sense would tell you that there is every possibility that they could have came across and the Inuits do look similar. I'm not saying that they are 100% Neanderthals, but it is very likely that they do share some blood.
1 and 2 . What exactly does that mean exactly "share blood"??
The most recent evidence from DNA testing indicates that Neanderthals did not contribute to modern humans in any significant way if at all. BTW: You can't prove a negative, so if you are going to argue that way..thier is no point to going on.
Neanderthal and Modern Human DNA Analysis
3. Once again what does that have to do with anything. You are talking about physical characteristics that have nothing to do with genetic history. So what if someone has a big jaw, light skin, etc.??
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Psst- Nightmare, the eskimo population is fully human as in Sapiens. There is no genetic difference between them and "regular" people. BTW, this kind of thing was a common fallacy though. Whites would look at blacks in africa and say they are cousins of chimps, rather than fully human.
I don't know where he is getting this. He seems to be pulling this from some outdated, outmoded, source somewhere. I really really want to know who taught him this. He keeps referring to physical characteristics and that whole mongoloid, negroid, caucasoid thing is off the wall.
Ahh, the old "Prove I am wrong" argument.
Sorry, bub. It doesn't work that way. You are the one making a claim. You prove it.
The argument of someone who knows they don't have a leg to stand on. Would you like to whip out the calipers and start measuring skull dimensions Nitemare? Thier are some good Nazi textbooks for identifying Jews based on that.
Once again. I really really want to know what you are basing your argument/contentions on. Where did you learn this, and how long ago was this?? I don't want to be insulting..but the lack of basic understanding is staggering. I thought this line of reasoning had been beaten out of the educational system a long time ago. To think Eskimos aren't 100% human....boggles the mind.
Nitemare
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And you are claiming that they died out. Where is your proof?
Show me something convincing in this article that prooves that Neanderthals were a genetic dead end. It is believed by some that they were unmatable with homo sapiens...but then again as someone brings up the Nazi's like most ignorant people tend to do when they have nothing to bring to the debate but their own idiocy...some people believed that they were genetically superrior to others and thus should purge the others....this does not make it right now does it.
Well, I was about to leave this thread but saw this post on re-read:
Common sense would tell you that a bird doesn't look very much like a dinosaur. However, "recent" evidence strongly suggests that birds amongst the closest still living relatives to many species of extinct dinosaurs.
Moral of the story: Don't always trust your common sense.
Common sense would tell you that a bird doesn't look very much like a dinosaur. However, "recent" evidence strongly suggests that birds amongst the closest still living relatives to many species of extinct dinosaurs.
Moral of the story: Don't always trust your common sense.
I would like you to bring something to the debate besides baseless claims, and old discredited theories based on unsound science (if you can call it that). How about one peer reviewed journal article that supports any of your claims, and if you seriously need proof that Neanderthals died out....well what is the point.
Come on Nitemare. Show us your cards.
Nitemare
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Interbreeding of Neanderthals and modern humans (Cromagnons): how to prove it by molecular genetics
If Neanderthals and modern humans (or Cromagnons, as some authors prefer to write) interbred, the children of Cromagnon mothers would all have Cromagnon mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA). The children of Neanderthal mothers would all have Neanderthal mtDNA.
If the mtDNA of fossils that look like first-generation crosses between Neanderthals and Cromagnons is sequenced some of the sequences will be Cromagnon and some will be Neanderthal (assuming that both sexes of both human types interbred). Therefore the first molecular geneticist to find Cromagnon mtDNA in a fossil that looks predominantly Neanderthal but with some Cromagnon admixture will be the first to have proved that the two human types did interbreed.
Published 27 January 2000. © Andrew Gyles
This guy believes in it as well
yawn
*cough* Kennewick Man *cough*
and last but not least
so much for being extinct.
Nitemare
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Do you even read your own "cites" before posting them? Or, are you on such a roll you don't even bother?
The other couple of your links that I browsed speak of "features" that are similar to some humans. That is far from proof. Your own links actually go further to support that they died out.
UC Davis
Quite simply put, the current most accepted theory is that there was simply too much of a genetic difference between them and humans to even produce offspring. Genetic evidence supports this.
So, if you can't even produce offspring, how is their "blood" still around in modern humans?
The other couple of your links that I browsed speak of "features" that are similar to some humans. That is far from proof. Your own links actually go further to support that they died out.
UC Davis
Quite simply put, the current most accepted theory is that there was simply too much of a genetic difference between them and humans to even produce offspring. Genetic evidence supports this.
So, if you can't even produce offspring, how is their "blood" still around in modern humans?
I'm no anthropologist, but looking at the issue, wouldn't it be tough for two completely separate species (Cro-Magnon & Neaderthal) to somehow meet up, and combine into one species? From what I have seen of most genetic trees, a species will split into two, not the other way around.
A modern example I am thinking of: Polar bears, and brown bears. While they are VERY similiar species genetically, they will never combine into a single species.
BTW, to claim that Alaskan Natives are somehow more Neanderthal than the rest of us is false. Many factors come into play in forming a physical appearance of a group, and have you ever been to northern Alaska/Canada? There isn't exactly a lot of plant life, which would explain the Natives chief diet of meat.
A modern example I am thinking of: Polar bears, and brown bears. While they are VERY similiar species genetically, they will never combine into a single species.
BTW, to claim that Alaskan Natives are somehow more Neanderthal than the rest of us is false. Many factors come into play in forming a physical appearance of a group, and have you ever been to northern Alaska/Canada? There isn't exactly a lot of plant life, which would explain the Natives chief diet of meat.
Basically, the crux of the issue is this:
IF, and this cannot be underemphasized, IF they interbred, the theory is, there should be some mtDNA from Neanderthal in current humans, -OR-, mtDNA Human DNA in fossilized Neanderthals.
This is a massive IF. They had to be able to mate and produce fertile offspring to continue the line. The problem is, indicators point that they would not have been able to produce aforementioned offspring. That is where the interbreeding theory jumps off the tracks.
IF, and this cannot be underemphasized, IF they interbred, the theory is, there should be some mtDNA from Neanderthal in current humans, -OR-, mtDNA Human DNA in fossilized Neanderthals.
This is a massive IF. They had to be able to mate and produce fertile offspring to continue the line. The problem is, indicators point that they would not have been able to produce aforementioned offspring. That is where the interbreeding theory jumps off the tracks.
One of your main sources, Dr. Loring Brace himself stated how ridicoulous the classification of humans by physical traits was and how those traits had no relation to genetic lineage.
In contrast, terms such as "Negroid," "Caucasoid," and "Mongoloid" create more problems than they solve. Those very terms reflect a mix of narrow regional, specific ethnic, and descriptive physical components with an assumption that such separate dimensions have some kind of common tie. Biologically, such terms are worse than useless. Their continued use, then, is in social situations where people think they have some meaning.
Dr. Loring Brace
From pbs.org
Also, what does Kennewick Man have to do with anything. He was a modern human living around 8-9thousand years ago??
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