Study: Minority Voters Views On Immigration

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In contrast to the leadership of many ethnic advocacy groups, most members of minority groups think immigration is too high.

Hispanics: 56 percent said it is too high; 7 percent said too low; 14 percent just right.

Asian-Americans: 57 percent said immigration is too high; 5 percent said too low; 18 percent just right.

African-Americans: 68 percent said it is too high; 4 percent said too low; 14 percent just right.

Most members of minority groups do not feel that illegal immigration is caused by limits on legal immigration as many ethnic advocacy groups argue; instead, members feel it’s due to a lack of enforcement.

Hispanics: Just 20 percent said illegal immigration was caused by not letting in enough legal immigrants; 61 percent said inadequate enforcement.

Asian-Americans: 19 percent said not enough legal immigration; 69 percent said inadequate enforcement.

African-Americans: 16 percent said not enough legal immigration; 70 percent said inadequate enforcement.

Most members of minority groups feel that there are plenty of Americans available to fill unskilled jobs.

Hispanics: 15 percent said legal immigration should be increased to fill unskilled jobs; 65 percent said there are plenty of Americans available to do unskilled jobs, employers just need to pay more.

Asian-Americans: 19 percent said increase immigration; 65 percent said plenty of Americans are available.

African-Americans: 6 percent said increase immigration; 81 percent said plenty of Americans are available.

When asked to choose between enforcement that would cause illegal immigrants in the country to go home or offering them a pathway to citizenship with conditions, most members of minority groups choose enforcement.

Hispanics: 52 percent support enforcement to encourage illegals to go home; 34 percent support conditional legalization.

Asian-Americans: 57 percent support enforcement; 29 percent support conditional legalization.

African-Americans: 50 percent support enforcement; 30 percent support conditional legalization.

http://cis.org/Minority-Views-Immigration

Looks like these minority groups are of the opposite persuasion of the "path to citizenship" crowed.

What is most interesting is the views of hispanics who certain groups try and play the "legalization" card with.
 

Red Dawn

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Illegals are their competition for jobs. I don't blame them for feeling like they do.
 

MJinZ

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What's surprising? These are American Citizens... who wants more immigration anyway competing for the same jobs?

Legal immigrants will be competing for the skilled jobs, and illegal immigrants will create more and more burdens upon everyone else.
 

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What's surprising? These are American Citizens... who wants more immigration anyway competing for the same jobs?

Legal immigrants will be competing for the skilled jobs, and illegal immigrants will create more and more burdens upon everyone else.

So I do not understand why there isn't any political will to deport all of the illegals.
 

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So I do not understand why there isn't any political will to deport all of the illegals.

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- It would cost at least $94 billion to find, detain and remove all 12 million people believed to be staying illegally in the United States, the federal government estimated Wednesday.

Julie Myers, the head of Immigration and Customs Enforcement, gave the figure during a hearing before a Senate committee Wednesday.

She acknowledged it was based on "very rough calculations."

An ICE spokesman later said the $94 billion did not include the cost of finding illegal immigrants, nor court costs -- dollar amounts that are largely unknowable.

He said the amount was calculated by multiplying the estimated 12 million people by the average cost of detaining people for a day: $97. That was multiplied by the average length of detention: 32 days.

ICE officials also considered transportation costs, which average $1,000 per person.

But that amount can vary widely, the spokesman said. Some deportees are simply driven by bus across the border, while others must take charter planes to distant countries, he said.

Finally, the department looked at personnel costs, bringing the total to roughly $94 billion.

The statistic is likely to become one more piece of fodder in the heated debate between the Bush administration -- which has fought for a "path to citizenship" for people who have lived peaceably in the United States -- and those who want to see more aggressive enforcement of immigration laws, up to, and including, the deportation of all illegal immigrants.

By way of comparison, the Department of Homeland Security's annual budget is about $35 billion.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/09/12/deportation.cost/index.html

So you want to expand the federal government and grow the federal budget even more?
 

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http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/09/12/deportation.cost/index.html

So you want to expand the federal government and grow the federal budget even more?

Why would these people need to be detained for 32 days?

Here is a simpler solution.
Want to rent a property? - Proof of legal status
Want to buy property? - Proof of legal status
Want a job? - Proof of legal status
Want to go to school? - Proof of legal status
Want utilities? - Proof of legal status

Problem solved at 0 cost.
 

highland145

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Why would these people need to be detained for 32 days?

Here is a simpler solution.
Want to rent a property? - Proof of legal status
Want to buy property? - Proof of legal status
Want a job? - Proof of legal status
Want to go to school? - Proof of legal status
Want utilities? - Proof of legal status

Problem solved at 0 cost.
Amen to that. Easy as pie. Too bad Washington only eats caviar.
 

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So I do not understand why there isn't any political will to deport all of the illegals.

First, you need to stop the problem - the borders. Let's do a Great Wall of USA. Are you willing to help pay for it?

Then, we can talk about recovery - deportation or integration. Are you willing to help pay for it?
 

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Wouldn't the blame for this is be on both parties? Seems to me like neither one of them will properly step up to the tasks of immigration reform because they will lose votes.
 

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That is totally expected. With this recession, the illegals are taking jobs from legal immigrants and American citizens. Its tough if you see an illegal with a job you want. You try to report him to the federal government but they don't do anything. Thanks Obama.
 

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Why would these people need to be detained for 32 days?

Here is a simpler solution.
Want to rent a property? - Proof of legal status
Want to buy property? - Proof of legal status
Want a job? - Proof of legal status
Want to go to school? - Proof of legal status
Want utilities? - Proof of legal status

Problem solved at 0 cost.

You can't enforce any of those important ones, because Land Lord's want money above all else. How many illegals buy property? Uh, find one and we'll talk. How many people pay illegals $3/hr to do their dirty work? How many illegals go to school?
 

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Why would these people need to be detained for 32 days?

Here is a simpler solution.
Want to rent a property? - Proof of legal status
Want to buy property? - Proof of legal status
Want a job? - Proof of legal status
Want to go to school? - Proof of legal status
Want utilities? - Proof of legal status

Problem solved at 0 cost.

Except for the landlords and businesses that provide to illegals just as they do now. Or the expanded black market that will open up for forged identification, which is already a problem. Are we going to make it so ICE agents come and inspect every tenant/student/employee?

Everything is so simple in if you don't actually think anything through.
 

highland145

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You can't enforce any of those important ones, because Land Lord's want money above all else. How many illegals buy property? Uh, find one and we'll talk. How many people pay illegals $3/hr to do their dirty work? How many illegals go to school?
Sure you can. Seize their property/businesses. Easier to go after than individuals. Sell to someone else for $$ to pay for the enforcement. No job/house, no reason to be here.
 

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When push comes to shove, no politician, Republican or Democrat, will do anything about illegal immigration. Too much money is made for big companies from their slave labor-- and everyone knows big companies have their hands shoved so far up politicians' asses, that nothing'll ever get done.

Honestly though, how is it affecting people on these boards? I'd be willing to bet 95% of the population of AT Forums makes up one of four categories:

1) Working FT
2) Retired
3) College Student
4) Working PT for a livable wage

Other than walking into an establishment where everyone's speaking a language that you don't and feeling all awkward, what seriously impacts your lives so much that this is even an issue? Plus, let's say all the illegals are rounded up: Are you as a 30-somethin pickup-drivin cowboy-hat wearin' middle manager going to go out and pick berries for $10 a day? No, so the berry maker's gonna raise prices and we're all going to have to pay more for our berries.
 
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highland145

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Except for the landlords and businesses that provide to illegals just as they do now. Or the expanded black market that will open up for forged identification, which is already a problem. Are we going to make it so ICE agents come and inspect every tenant/student/employee?

Everything is so simple in if you don't actually think anything through.
There is already electronic verification so the employers don't have much of an excuse. A local chicken plant was raided the other week and ~50 illegals were picked up. I say take the business.
 

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Sure you can. Seize their property/businesses. Easier to go after than individuals. Sell to someone else for $$ to pay for the enforcement. No job/house, no reason to be here.

Sorry, I just find this and your signature right under it ironic. :)
 

highland145

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Sorry, I just find this and your signature right under it ironic. :)
Approval. I like that.

I dont really have a problem with illegals. The problem is the $$ associated with them(medical/schooling for children/criminals) and their lack of paying into the system. The #2 revenue stream in Mexico is $$ from the US.
 

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Approval. I like that.

I dont really have a problem with illegals. The problem is the $$ associated with them(medical/schooling for children/criminals) and their lack of paying into the system. The #2 revenue stream in Mexico is $$ from the US.

The cost of illegals using public funds pales in comparison to the economic output they produce in the form of cheaper goods to everyone. I'm against illegal immigration, but you can't argue that the work they are willing to do without minimum wage laws, etc. applying to them, is a pretty huge economic resource for the US.
 

highland145

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The cost of illegals using public funds pales in comparison to the economic output they produce in the form of cheaper goods to everyone. I'm against illegal immigration, but you can't argue that the work they are willing to do without minimum wage laws, etc. applying to them, is a pretty huge economic resource for the US.
Even without hard #'s, I dont doubt it. Must be a study comparing the $$ they save us vs. the $$ they suck out for the things I mentioned before.
 

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Except for the landlords and businesses that provide to illegals just as they do now. Or the expanded black market that will open up for forged identification, which is already a problem. Are we going to make it so ICE agents come and inspect every tenant/student/employee?

Everything is so simple in if you don't actually think anything through.

How many illegals do you rekon have government jobs?
 

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Why would these people need to be detained for 32 days?

Here is a simpler solution.
Want to rent a property? - Proof of legal status
Want to buy property? - Proof of legal status
Want a job? - Proof of legal status
Want to go to school? - Proof of legal status
Want utilities? - Proof of legal status

Problem solved at 0 cost.
Holy Big Brother!!!
 

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It would cost at least $94 billion to find, detain and remove all 12 million people believed to be staying illegally in the United States, the federal government estimated Wednesday.

Sounds like a bargin to me.

We've spent more than that lately on unemplyment compensation (both federal subsidies for extended benefits and then the states contributions), extra food stamps etc for the unemployed.

Obviously many of those now receiving unemployment etc could take over the illegals' job saving us money. If the illegals are on the 'black market' we'd get more federal revenue too from the w/h taxes citizens and legal immigrants would pay.

Also savings from HC costs (those pesky emergency room visits that no one pays for according to the left), reduced costs for public schooling etc.

I think it's likely a financial plus.

$94 Billion? Damn, compared to what we've seen lately that's just a drop in the bucket.

Fern