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Study: Kids with "Pushy" parents twice as likely to succeed.

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http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stori...www/story/10-10-2005/0004164795&EDATE=

I'll give Granholm points for effort, and for using studies such as this to devise a real plan, rather than just trying to dump more money on the problem or more of the countless other useless tactics used in schools today.

Doubling the # of college graduates in Michigan is a pretty bold goal, but if accomplished could do wonders for a state like Michigan. We'll have to see how her initiatives pan out in the years to come.

EAST LANSING, Mich., Oct. 10 /PRNewswire/ -- Young adults in Michigan
whose parents "insisted" they get an education beyond high school are
considerably more likely to have the best jobs, and to be richer, better
educated and happier than those whose parents who weren't as demanding,
according to the fourth Your Child study of Michigan's culture of education.
"Clearly, the children of pushy parents win on all counts," said Ed
Sarpolus, vice president of EPIC-MRA, the Lansing-based firm that did the
research. "This study suggests there aren't enough pushy parents in
Michigan."
In the survey of 1,126 respondents aged 18 to 30 years old (conducted
Sept. 6 - 27, 2005, margin of error plus or minus 3.1 percent), fewer than
one-in-three (30 percent) said their parents "insisted" they continue going to
school after the 12th grade.
Of respondents whose parents "insisted" on post-high school education,
two-thirds (65 percent) have either completed or are pursuing a four-year
degree, compared to just one third (33 percent) of those whose parents merely
"suggested" they continue their education.
Parental insistence on post-secondary education put young adults on the
path to the higher paying jobs in professional and technical fields: 41
percent of respondents who said they work in professional or technical jobs
also said their parents "insisted" they pursue higher education, compared to
just 24 percent of those whose parents "suggested" it.

School support lacking, too
Many respondents said support was lacking at their high schools as well.
While fully 70 percent said "all" or "most" of their teachers and counselors
cared about them, 29 percent said "few" or "none" did. Only 24 percent said
someone in the school setting talked to them about the relevance of their
education, and three-quarters said no one helped them make the connection
between academics and the world of work.
When asked if the classes they took in high school seemed relevant, only
seventeen percent of respondents said "all" were relevant. "Math" and
"science" classes topped the list of courses respondents said were "most"
relevant, while at the top of the list of courses respondents identified as
the "least" relevant were "gym," and, interestingly, "math" and "science."
"Too many students are wandering the halls of our high schools without
purpose or direction. Educators must search for new ways to communicate and
connect with students and their families," said Margaret Trimer-Hartley,
director of communications of the Michigan Education Association (MEA), which
is a member of Your Child. "Rebuilding relationships with students and
families isn't something that is easily measured on a standardized test, but
it is critical to our students' success."

Schools are "rigorless"; senior year is a waste for many

Only 12 percent of those polled said they had felt really challenged in
high school, while more than one-in-four (28 percent) said it was not
challenging at all.
Fewer than half of the survey respondents (44 percent) said they really
applied themselves during the senior year in high school. The negative impact
of this lack of commitment shows up among those respondents who have not
pursued a post-secondary education, 72 percent of who said they regret not
having more than a high school diploma.

Challenges and hope
Other survey results show it will not be an easy task to double the number
of college graduates in Michigan, as called for by Gov. Jennifer Granholm.
For example, more than one-third (36 percent) of respondents said they think
"only some people" should get additional education beyond high school (62
percent said "everyone" should do so).
The current survey provides some rays of hope when results are compared to
the Your Child/EPIC-MRA study of parents in Michigan, conducted in the spring
of 2005. In that study, only 27 percent of respondents said a good education
is "essential" for success. Among the younger respondents in the current
survey, 56 percent said that a good education is "essential" for success.
The challenge is to ensure that these 18 to 30 year olds maintain this
attitude as they raise their own families, so their children will understand
that higher education is the path to success -- be it quality of life,
career/job choices or above-average income.
Your Child is a coalition of education and family organizations dedicated
to improving the culture of education in Michigan and increasing the number of
college graduates in the state. Participants who paid for the survey research
study include the President's Council, State Universities of Michigan; the
Michigan Education Association; the Sault Tribe of Chippewa Indians; the Great
Lakes Center for Education Research & Practice and Michigan Virtual
University.
 
isn't this just common sense and practical knowledge that if you have parents that force you to succeed .... you will?
 
Originally posted by: miketheidiot
i think everyone already knew this

Well it makes sense, but the current attitude in our society would indicate exactly the opposite. Nobody, including parents, seems to think they can influence their kids enough to make a difference, so it's up to society to do it for them. Witness the blame for "bad kids" placed on everything from rap music to gay people.
 
Originally posted by: Strk
Wow, if parents put in effort, it will actually pay off? Shocking! :roll:
The shocking part is that twice as many parents DON'T put in the effort. And on top of that schools fail miserably at filling the gap.

 
I think this is pretty well known by most people. Active parents that care about their kids education are the single biggest factor in predicting the success of a student. The problem is, how do we use that knowledge to improve the performance of children in our schools? We can't make parents act in their child's best interest.

 
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
The little bastards have to want to succeed. It's called personal responsibility.

Don't "little bastards" just want to play and hang out?
They need a pushy parent to get their behinds in gear and do some work.
You think kids care about success and being successfull when they are older?
 
isn't this just common sense and practical knowledge that if you have parents that force you to succeed .... you will?

Forcing kids to succeed does nothing when they enter college. You've got to teach the kid why it's important to apply themselves in the first place (pay, job security, better work environments, etc).

I dunno, maybe I'm different, but my parents actually started complaining that I studied too much in High School.

I entered college with 27 hours completed. My 1.5 years in college were pratically review. Too easy.
 
TRAIN - I TOLD YOU NO NEFFING UNTIL YOU FINISH YOUR STUDIES!!!

Damn it young man, turn off that computer and get back upstairs...if I find you on that worthless Anand site again I'll cut off your broadband privledges for a MONTH!!! And XBOX as well...run, go, now!!! You have another 50 practice social studies questions for this..."

 
Originally posted by: Legend

Forcing kids to succeed does nothing when they enter college. You've got to teach the kid why it's important to apply themselves in the first place (pay, job security, better work environments, etc).

I dunno, maybe I'm different, but my parents actually started complaining that I studied too much in High School.

I entered college with 27 hours completed. My 1.5 years in college were pratically review. Too easy.

Congratulations on your achievement, it's impressive.

Where'd you learn to work like that?
 
Originally posted by: Future Shock
TRAIN - I TOLD YOU NO NEFFING UNTIL YOU FINISH YOUR STUDIES!!!

Damn it young man, turn off that computer and get back upstairs...if I find you on that worthless Anand site again I'll cut off your broadband privledges for a MONTH!!! And XBOX as well...run, go, now!!! You have another 50 practice social studies questions for this..."
heh, actually never owned a game system. I remember when the first Nintendo came out, I was in like 5th or 6th grade, ALL the kids at school had one, except me. I had to play outside instead. Guess it paid off though, I got an athletic scholarship to college while most kids were overweight.
 
Congratulations on your achievement, it's impressive.

Where'd you learn to work like that?

My parents and school provided the opportunity. Lots of AP classes.

By the time I was 14, I began studying for myself. That's the key. Forcing kids to do work brings up that "teach a man to fish" idea.
 
makes sense. back in the 6th grade when i had to decide if i was going to do anything with my life i made the wrong choice. i took the easy classes, got myself locked into the lower "tracks" and that was the end of any chance i had of being better than my parents.
 
Originally posted by: miketheidiot
i think everyone already knew this
But there wasn't proof! What will we do without good statistics to guide us? The commies will get us, that's what.
 
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