Study: Global Warming not so bad?

[busmaster11]

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/asiapcf/05/12/greenhouse.resilient.reut/index.html

I deserve a pat on the back from the conservatives for this.

If this new study has any merit it might not be that bad - and it will buy time for the world to move to alternative energy sources.

We're still responsible for the pollution and deforestation we cause though.

 

[Strk]

You know, I've never been a person who ran around going "OMGS WE'S ALL GONNA DIE!" from global warming, however, I do believe we should do whatever we can to lower pollution and such.

I mean, if you can decrease pollution drastically at a minimal cost: why not do it?

 

[Bowmaster]

Yup, not bad at all.

European Heatwave Just a coincidence.

climate hot map Nothing to see here, either.

I think the Australians had better get their head out of the lager and check their data somemore...

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Bowmaster
Yup, not bad at all.

European Heatwave Just a coincidence.

climate hot map Nothing to see here, either.

I think the Australians had better get their head out of the lager and check their data somemore...

Ah - yes the anecdotal monster rears it's head.

Wasn't it 30 years ago or so that "scientists" were scaring everyone with their rantings about the pending Ice Age(global cooling)?

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/me pats busmaster11 on the head

good boy

CkG

 

[AcidicFury]

Pollution pretty much is the main problem thats causing all these environmental concerns. If we were able to follow the Montreal Pact or Kyoto Protocol, we could help out the environment a bit more.

 

[Cogman]

Yah, and by the year 2000 all the worlds supply of oil will be gone.... Oh wait theres some left. There has been reports agenst and for global warming for years. Personally I think that Enviromentalists are making it a bigger deal then it really is. HOWEVER, I would take a hybrid car or nuclear fusion reators in a heart beat, just because they provide cheap clean power.

Speaking of nuclear, I think that is one area Enviromentalists in the US really screwed up on. Nuclear power is very clean, as in it produces much fewer and easier manageble wastes as compaired to burning coal. Think about it. all the waist is contained in a small box that gets stored for hundreds of years. With todays technology it is also much safter then the fision used in th 1950's...

 

[Dman877]

The relatively short lifespan of humans is probably the biggest obstacle to progress. Global warming IS a problem, whether it manifests itself now, in 50 years, or in 500 years doesn't matter. We need to plan long-term because the costs of not planning ahead are much greater then a few preventative measures would be now.

 

[hokiezilla]

Originally posted by: AcidicFury
Pollution pretty much is the main problem thats causing all these environmental concerns. If we were able to follow the Montreal Pact or Kyoto Protocol, we could help out the environment a bit more.

The problem with following the Kyoto Treaty is that it would thrust our country into third-world status. Meanwhile, third-world countries (read big polluters) like China won't follow it.

I don't have a problem with cutting pollution. However, the data set that is offered for the theory of global warming is so small as to be statistically insignificant at this point; and you can't do what the Kyoto protocols advocate without having a big impact on our economy.

The issue is that we don't have enough verifiable figures to draw the conclusions that many in the environmental movement have drawn. The knowledge just isn't there yet.

There's simply too much FUD out there with regards to research. Some of it is ridiculous in that they do not adhere to the scientific method.

Too much evangelistic histrionics and not enough science IMO.

I advocate more alternative fuel technologies and when they become viable say adios to hydrocarbon-based fuel. Until then, we have to make due with what we have.

 

[OS]

Originally posted by: busmaster11
http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/asiapcf/05/12/greenhouse.resilient.reut/index.html

I deserve a pat on the back from the conservatives for this.

If this new study has any merit it might not be that bad - and it will buy time for the world to move to alternative energy sources.

We're still responsible for the pollution and deforestation we cause though.

There's also a relatively unknown hypothesis floating around that global warming may increase cloud cover (more evaporation), which in turn reflects sunlight and providing sort of a feedback control loop for temperatures.

Now, I am not saying we should get a blank check on pumping the atmosphere with CO2, it would be pretty bad if we started runaway CO2 pollution only to find out later a worst case scenario becomes true and irreversible.

 

[Spencer278]

Before we decided to do anything about global warming we need to determine if we can control it, and what do we want the temperature to be.

I think the biggest effect of global warming will be that it may respark a war between countries that would benifet from increased temperature and the countries that want the current temperature.

 

[busmaster11]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: Bowmaster
Yup, not bad at all.

European Heatwave Just a coincidence.

climate hot map Nothing to see here, either.

I think the Australians had better get their head out of the lager and check their data somemore...

Ah - yes the anecdotal monster rears it's head.

Wasn't it 30 years ago or so that "scientists" were scaring everyone with their rantings about the pending Ice Age(global cooling)?

**********

/me pats busmaster11 on the head

good boy

CkG

Cad, that there is clearly blatant and untethered exploitation of the environment in this world still doesn't sit well with the liberal in me - no matter what evidence or lackthereof - of any major manmade ecological trend.

That there doesn't seem to be such a backlash among the conservative community admittedly gives me a small and subtle sense of moral superiority. I shall quickly shrug that off.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: busmaster11

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: Bowmaster
Yup, not bad at all.

European Heatwave Just a coincidence.

climate hot map Nothing to see here, either.

I think the Australians had better get their head out of the lager and check their data somemore...

Ah - yes the anecdotal monster rears it's head.

Wasn't it 30 years ago or so that "scientists" were scaring everyone with their rantings about the pending Ice Age(global cooling)?

**********

/me pats busmaster11 on the head

good boy

CkG

Cad, that there is clearly blatant and untethered exploitation of the environment in this world still doesn't sit well with the liberal in me - no matter what evidence or lackthereof - of any major manmade ecological trend.

That there doesn't seem to be such a backlash among the conservative community admittedly gives me a small and subtle sense of moral superiority. I shall quickly shrug that off.

Hey, I'm all for the responsible use of the envirnoment. I just think some have taken this WAY too far. I mean come on - chaining yourself to a tree or perching yourself up in one? sheesh

CkG

 

[busmaster11]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Wasn't it 30 years ago or so that "scientists" were scaring everyone with their rantings about the pending Ice Age(global cooling)?
CkG

Might I also add, Cad, that argument is akin to saying "That geocentric theory of 2000 years ago was proven false... I shall never listen to scientists ever again."

The point is - scientists, like everyone else, learn from their mistakes and improve their prediction models to account for newly discovered variables and trends.

 

[Genx87]

The point is - scientists, like everyone else, learn from their mistakes and improve their prediction models to account for newly discovered variables and trends.

So naturally we should now believe the world is going to warm and coastal cities flood?

Ill wait another 30 years and listen to the ice age theory again.

 

[busmaster11]

Originally posted by: Genx87

The point is - scientists, like everyone else, learn from their mistakes and improve their prediction models to account for newly discovered variables and trends.

So naturally we should now believe the world is going to warm and coastal cities flood?

Ill wait another 30 years and listen to the ice age theory again.

So the only ones with credibility in your world are the tin foil hats?

 

[jagec]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Hey, I'm all for the responsible use of the envirnoment. I just think some have taken this WAY too far. I mean come on - chaining yourself to a tree or perching yourself up in one? sheesh

CkG

yeah, that is pretty extreme. Of course, I don't know what the backlash-people have to gain with their "So you want to lower pollution, huh? I'll buy an SUV just to counteract you!"

Yeesh. Once people start getting emotional about something, they make the worst decisions.

Here's the thing: Earth, and life on earth, will adapt and survive pretty much anything. However, we as humans don't like change, we'd rather not swap our cheetahs for cockroaches, elephants for rats, and all the other changes that would involve the earth shifting to a harsher climate. Sometimes it can't be helped; I'm sure if humans lived millions of years ago they would have "save the dinosaurs" bumper stickers. But I for one like nature, even those parts of it which aren't adapted to a warmer climate than we're currently in. So I'm all for keeping it the way it is.

 

[Genx87]

So the only ones with credibility in your world are the tin foil hats?

Do you always overreact to positions you dont like?

Wanna quote me on where I say that? 30 years ago it was an impending ice age that was going to doom us. Now it is global warming. What about this new wave of doom and gloom makes it so believable?

 

[busmaster11]

Originally posted by: Genx87

So the only ones with credibility in your world are the tin foil hats?

Do you always overreact to positions you dont like?

Wanna quote me on where I say that? 30 years ago it was an impending ice age that was going to doom us. Now it is global warming. What about this new wave of doom and gloom makes it so believable?

Because a lot of scientists are telling the world that global warming is for real. Unless you only listen selectively, (which probably isn't beneath most of us here) that leads me to conclude you don't bel;ieve in scientists in general.

That only leaves the tin foil hat people...