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You have a right to keep and bear arms, have you ever tried to buy a gun without a picture ID?
The bolded statement should tell you that you do not understand the motivations of those on "the left." If "the left" were so in love with growing the government, then they would love this voter ID requirement. They don't love this voter ID requirement, so therefore, they must not love growing the government. Sorry to shatter your pathetic view of those on "the left."Every time these threads come up on voter ID, I cannot help but wonder what the real motivation behind not supporting - or at least, not blocking - the effort comes from?
It's clear that a properly implemented voter ID/state ID/national ID system would not only slightly increase the amount of government workers needed to implement such a system, and as such, those on the left just came in their pants at that thought.
It's also clear that such a properly implemented system would pose basically zero hindrance to those voting, given that they hold their vote so dear, would make sure to get their freely provided ID card well ahead of the elections.
What then is the reason for so much pushback? If people whose vote is so vitally important are going to be making sure they have their free ID (and that would include the proper code that goes with that ID for their online cast absentee ballot, no more paper ballots in such a system), and they have weeks/months/years to accomplish this simple task before the election, what exactly is the massive problem?
It can't be that this will add government overhead, as - generally - the people arguing against such an ID system cream in their pants at the thought of more government. Exactly what is the problem?
Chuck
Prove that voting is a right?
The bolded statement should tell you that you do not understand the motivations of those on "the left." If "the left" were so in love with growing the government, then they would love this voter ID requirement. They don't love this voter ID requirement, so therefore, they must not love growing the government. Sorry to shatter your pathetic view of those on "the left."
The bolded statement should tell you that you do not understand the motivations of those on "the left." If "the left" were so in love with growing the government, then they would love this voter ID requirement. They don't love this voter ID requirement, so therefore, they must not love growing the government. Sorry to shatter your pathetic view of those on "the left."
You have a right to keep and bear arms, have you ever tried to buy a gun without a picture ID?
The left only wants to grow government when it benefits women, minorities, gays, etc.
So since voter ID will do nothing to help those groups they are naturally opposed to it.
First, it says bear arms not buy arms. You also have to prove eligibility to register to vote. Second, how many videos have been posted on these forums of an officer responding to a call stops a person who is open carrying and that person refuses to show ID because they don't have to because it is their right? Hint, I personally can think of 3 times I've seen those.
Not a good point. The amount of harm and crime that could be carried out with a gun compared to nothing with a vote. The reason voter fraud is near non-existent? There is little payoff, a single vote is so washed out by sheer numbers. One gun can kill dozens in minutes.
Well someone should, since it's obvious you didn't.Was the request that unlcear? Yes, prove voting is a right.
Hint: Don't start looking in the constitution.
Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress: but no Senator or Representative, or Person holding an Office of Trust or Profit under the United States, shall be appointed an Elector.
The Electors shall meet in their respective states, and vote by ballot for President and Vice-President, one of whom, at least, shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves; they shall name in their ballots the person voted for as President, and in distinct ballots the person voted for as Vice-President, and they shall make distinct lists of all persons voted for as President, and all persons voted for as Vice-President and of the number of votes for each, which lists they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the seat of the government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate.
The President of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the certificates and the votes shall then be counted.
The person having the greatest Number of votes for President, shall be the President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed; and if no person have such majority, then from the persons having the highest numbers not exceeding three on the list of those voted for as President, the House of Representatives shall choose immediately, by ballot, the President. But in choosing the President, the votes shall be taken by states, the representation from each state having one vote; a quorum for this purpose shall consist of a member or members from two-thirds of the states, and a majority of all the states shall be necessary to a choice. And if the House of Representatives shall not choose a President whenever the right of choice shall devolve upon them, before the fourth day of March next following, then the Vice-President shall act as President, as in the case of the death or other constitutional disability of the President.
The person having the greatest number of votes as Vice-President, shall be the Vice-President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed, and if no person have a majority, then from the two highest numbers on the list, the Senate shall choose the Vice-President; a quorum for the purpose shall consist of two-thirds of the whole number of Senators, and a majority of the whole number shall be necessary to a choice. But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States.
Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the Executive and Judicial officers of a State, or the members of the Legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such State.
The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude.
The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of sex.
The right of citizens of the United States to vote in any primary or other election for President or Vice President, for electors for President or Vice President, or for Senator or Representative in Congress, shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or any State by reason of failure to pay any poll tax or other tax.
The right of citizens of the United States, who are eighteen years of age or older, to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of age.
Was the request that unlcear? Yes, prove voting is a right.
Hint: Don't start looking in the constitution.
Since you're parsing with such a fine blade. You have a right to vote, but not cast a ballot without showing a picture ID.
All it shows is that the left doesn't have consistent views. They like government control for some things and they don't like it for others.The bolded statement should tell you that you do not understand the motivations of those on "the left." If "the left" were so in love with growing the government, then they would love this voter ID requirement. They don't love this voter ID requirement, so therefore, they must not love growing the government. Sorry to shatter your pathetic view of those on "the left."
Oh, gee, well, my mistake then.The left only wants to grow government when it benefits women, minorities, gays, etc.
So since voter ID will do nothing to help those groups they are naturally opposed to it.
I wasn't aware that all lefties do constant cost/benefit analysis of all policies. I've been doing it wrong this whole time.Er, No. It's just that they've done some kind of cost/benefit and decided that the grow on government that they'd normally be salivating over is not worth the bennie they plugged into their calculation. Given that it's not the actual rights of people they're worried about (because no rights would be hindered in reality, but anyways), but rather, something more political, one wonders what it really is.
My guess it's the appearance of 'fighting for the little guy', even if it's totally bunk given the little guy can get their free ID no problemo. I suspect the Left thinks long term on this, and realizes that once a state/national ID is implemented, it leads to other things like other Gov bennies being put on such card (no more selling your card at .80c on the dollar), and of course, immigration checks much more easier.
So they'll make the false excuse that this is limiting rights, even though it isn't, because they don't want the long term sh1t to kick in and F their constituency.
I think I understand those that pull the heartstrings on The Left pretty well...
Chuck
Every time these threads come up on voter ID, I cannot help but wonder what the real motivation behind not supporting - or at least, not blocking - the effort comes from?
It's clear that a properly implemented voter ID/state ID/national ID system would not only slightly increase the amount of government workers needed to implement such a system, and as such, those on the left just came in their pants at that thought.
It's also clear that such a properly implemented system would pose basically zero hindrance to those voting, given that they hold their vote so dear, would make sure to get their freely provided ID card well ahead of the elections.
What then is the reason for so much pushback? If people whose vote is so vitally important are going to be making sure they have their free ID (and that would include the proper code that goes with that ID for their online cast absentee ballot, no more paper ballots in such a system), and they have weeks/months/years to accomplish this simple task before the election, what exactly is the massive problem?
It can't be that this will add government overhead, as - generally - the people arguing against such an ID system cream in their pants at the thought of more government. Exactly what is the problem?
Chuck
P&N is like debate team practice, at best.
Oh, gee, well, my mistake then.
I wasn't aware that all lefties do constant cost/benefit analysis of all policies. I've been doing it wrong this whole time.
Now list out the counterpoints and why do Conservatives support such government overreach and infringement on rights and additional spending... all to "solve" a non-problem.
Also, why are you fighting a caricature of the left and not the actual left?