Study Finds 'Mind-Boggling' Rise in Morbid Obesity

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shadow9d9

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Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: shadow9d9
it is good to be active but absolutely NOT required.
It is required. Weight gain is cumulative. The result of a simple equation.

Calories metabolized - metabolic rate = weight gain (loss)

If you are not active, then as you grown older your metabolic rate will slow (and the less active you are, the more it will slow), resulting in weight gain (and poor cardiovascular health too BTW, enjoy your ED). You'll figure all this out in a decade or 2, but by then you'll be fighting a uphill battle and wishing you had listened to those who were trying to help teach you how to prevent it.

Nope. But keep patting yourself on the back and thinking yourself superior to everyone. Eating healthy and small portions= skinny.
 

Vic

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Originally posted by: skace
Anyhow, your entire response was asshole. Thanks for making a bunch of assumptions.
I'm sure that had absolutely nothing to do with all the asshole assumptions in your response. After all, I did say "complete healthy lifestyle" and you went off on ranting something completely different.
 

shadow9d9

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Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: shadow9d9
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: shadow9d9
Read my sig and say that again.
I've already explained to you that your sig is like you carrying a billboard around proclaiming your own self-pwnage. The fact that you can't seem to grasp that is what makes the pwnage even that much better.

Yes, the bible being a con means that I want to outlaw religion. : ). HAHAHA.

No, it means you're stupid. This was already thoroughly covered in that thread months ago, so there's no reason to off topic in this one.

2 attacks in one thread. Nice one!

And still trying to act superior with my sig : ). It is so funny and sad at the same time. For someone to think that something being a con means they think it should be outlawed. How much more basic does it get!?
 

Vic

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Originally posted by: shadow9d9
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: shadow9d9
it is good to be active but absolutely NOT required.
It is required. Weight gain is cumulative. The result of a simple equation.

Calories metabolized - metabolic rate = weight gain (loss)

If you are not active, then as you grown older your metabolic rate will slow (and the less active you are, the more it will slow), resulting in weight gain (and poor cardiovascular health too BTW, enjoy your ED). You'll figure all this out in a decade or 2, but by then you'll be fighting a uphill battle and wishing you had listened to those who were trying to help teach you how to prevent it.

Nope. But keep patting yourself on the back and thinking yourself superior to everyone. Eating healthy and small portions= skinny.

The stupid is strong with this one. Have you discussed this health plan of yours with your doctor? ;)

Let's try this again, because some people, either in denial or who feel the need to troll arguments on the internet, like to confuse and miscontrue -- COMPLETE HEALTHY LIFESTYLE.
Now... what does a "complete healthy lifestyle" mean to you? Based on your arguments, you seem to have a burr up your ass that it means being smug about exercise while eating large quantities of junk food. I assure that that is not what I meant by complete healthy lifestyle, but you can keep pretending for the sake of your fantasy argument if that's what you need.
 

skace

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Originally posted by: Vic
I'm sure that had absolutely nothing to do with all the asshole assumptions in your response. After all, I did say "complete healthy lifestyle" and you went off on ranting something completely different.

Ok, you are saying that I made a lot of "asshole assumptions", lets review.

Vic says: People can do their usual simple-minded moronic (I expect no less from shadow9d9's underdeveloped mind) there-must-be-an-easy-solution-to-everything! stupidity but (as usual) it ain't so. Health is more than just a matter of weight, food intake, and willpower. It's about getting off your fat fscking ass, and living a complete healthy lifestyle.

Skace says: You will never solve the problem that way. Never. It's wishful thinking that every morbidly obese person will magically start running simply because you swore at them. If someone is going to solve this problem they are going to have to come up with a better solution than telling everyone they need to sacrafice 2 hours a day (time traveling to workout location, working out, showering, stretching, etc). Although, corporate america could do wonders on their work force by instituting mandatory or perhaps suggested workout regimes during the day, considering the average corporate worker probably wastes more than 2 hours anyways. The company would also be reaping the direct benefits of a healthier and happier work force. They would also be contributing directly to the health of their locations. Win/Win situation right there. Corporate america is also part of the problem, the desk job is a key role in the sedentary lifestyle.

Vic says: Nowhere did I say that the morbidly obese need to go to the gym everyday. I said that good health is a matter of "living a complete healthy lifestyle." A gym membership might be nice, but it is not required for that. Get a clue. What is required is that people care enough about themselves to take care of themselves. That they take the time to eat healthy, and that they get some regular simple exercise to boost their metabolism, even if only a short walk (maybe a mile or so).
As for the rest of your nonsense, STFU and take some responsibility for your life. It's not "Corporate America"'s body, it's YOURS. Oh noes!! the desk job!! Would you prefer we all went back to blue collar manual labor? Of course not.
I swear, this is the kind of BS thinking that comes from being a mindless sheep who can't take responsibility for their own life, and can never mature past the infant stage of demanding that others always wipe their bib and change their diapers for them. Enjoy being a fat nasty pig come middle age. I've no doubt that you'll blame everyone else but yourself.

Skace says: For what it's worth I work out 1 to 2 hours daily. Which is why I know about the sacrafice. My point was that you cannot expect every person to do that, it is not a solution. If I ever lose more time during my day I may end up losing those 2 hours I spend, which I think is what happens to a lot of people.

Anyhow, your entire response was asshole. Thanks for making a bunch of assumptions.

Maybe you should start with an apology.
 

Vic

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Originally posted by: shadow9d9
2 attacks in one thread. Nice one!

And still trying to act superior with my sig : ). It is so funny and sad at the same time. For someone to think that something being a con means they think it should be outlawed. How much more basic does it get!?

I'm sure these attacks of mine have absolutely nothing to do with your attacks. :p


Cons and frauds are in fact outlawed by definition in all 50 states. And I'm quite it doesn't get more simple than that. However, your argument in that thread was that the Bible was expressly written to be a con when it was written. That counters all scientific scholarship on that Bible, and your statement in that thread was only made to justify your own senseless bigotry (which BTW was why NO ONE defended you in that thread). I'm not even religious is the funniest thing here, I'm just not bigoted, and I appreciate the insight into the historical development of ancient philosophy that the Bible provides us (like say Nietzsche or Campbell did). Kthxbye.
 

Vic

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Originally posted by: skace
Originally posted by: Vic
I'm sure that had absolutely nothing to do with all the asshole assumptions in your response. After all, I did say "complete healthy lifestyle" and you went off on ranting something completely different.

Ok, you are saying that I made a lot of "asshole assumptions", lets review.

Vic says: People can do their usual simple-minded moronic (I expect no less from shadow9d9's underdeveloped mind) there-must-be-an-easy-solution-to-everything! stupidity but (as usual) it ain't so. Health is more than just a matter of weight, food intake, and willpower. It's about getting off your fat fscking ass, and living a complete healthy lifestyle.

Skace says: You will never solve the problem that way. Never. It's wishful thinking that every morbidly obese person will magically start running simply because you swore at them. If someone is going to solve this problem they are going to have to come up with a better solution than telling everyone they need to sacrafice 2 hours a day (time traveling to workout location, working out, showering, stretching, etc). Although, corporate america could do wonders on their work force by instituting mandatory or perhaps suggested workout regimes during the day, considering the average corporate worker probably wastes more than 2 hours anyways. The company would also be reaping the direct benefits of a healthier and happier work force. They would also be contributing directly to the health of their locations. Win/Win situation right there. Corporate america is also part of the problem, the desk job is a key role in the sedentary lifestyle.

Vic says: Nowhere did I say that the morbidly obese need to go to the gym everyday. I said that good health is a matter of "living a complete healthy lifestyle." A gym membership might be nice, but it is not required for that. Get a clue. What is required is that people care enough about themselves to take care of themselves. That they take the time to eat healthy, and that they get some regular simple exercise to boost their metabolism, even if only a short walk (maybe a mile or so).
As for the rest of your nonsense, STFU and take some responsibility for your life. It's not "Corporate America"'s body, it's YOURS. Oh noes!! the desk job!! Would you prefer we all went back to blue collar manual labor? Of course not.
I swear, this is the kind of BS thinking that comes from being a mindless sheep who can't take responsibility for their own life, and can never mature past the infant stage of demanding that others always wipe their bib and change their diapers for them. Enjoy being a fat nasty pig come middle age. I've no doubt that you'll blame everyone else but yourself.

Skace says: For what it's worth I work out 1 to 2 hours daily. Which is why I know about the sacrafice. My point was that you cannot expect every person to do that, it is not a solution. If I ever lose more time during my day I may end up losing those 2 hours I spend, which I think is what happens to a lot of people.

Anyhow, your entire response was asshole. Thanks for making a bunch of assumptions.

Maybe you should start with an apology.

For what? Tell ya what, I'll just quote this here for posterity of your self-pwnage.
 

Vic

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Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: shadow9d9
it is good to be active but absolutely NOT required.
It is required. Weight gain is cumulative. The result of a simple equation.

Calories consumed - metabolic rate = weight gain (loss)

If you are not active, then as you grown older your metabolic rate will slow (and the less active you are, the more it will slow), resulting in weight gain (and poor cardiovascular health too BTW, enjoy your ED). You'll figure all this out in a decade or 2, but by then you'll be fighting a uphill battle and wishing you had listened to those who were trying to help teach you how to prevent it.

Let's post this one again too.

I sincerely hope, for his own sake, that shadow9d9 discusses his miracle eat-small-exercise-not-at-all diet plan with his doctor.
 

shadow9d9

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Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: shadow9d9
it is good to be active but absolutely NOT required.
It is required. Weight gain is cumulative. The result of a simple equation.

Calories consumed - metabolic rate = weight gain (loss)

If you are not active, then as you grown older your metabolic rate will slow (and the less active you are, the more it will slow), resulting in weight gain (and poor cardiovascular health too BTW, enjoy your ED). You'll figure all this out in a decade or 2, but by then you'll be fighting a uphill battle and wishing you had listened to those who were trying to help teach you how to prevent it.

Let's post this one again too.

I sincerely hope, for his own sake, that shadow9d9 discusses his miracle eat-small-exercise-not-at-all diet plan with his doctor.

Repeating yourself doesn't make you right. Obesity has to do with eating desserts, huge portions, and fast food. Exercise helps, but you could easily lose weight without it. I lost over 50 pounds last year by eating a very simple healthy diet. My doctor is my father.
 

shadow9d9

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Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: shadow9d9
2 attacks in one thread. Nice one!

And still trying to act superior with my sig : ). It is so funny and sad at the same time. For someone to think that something being a con means they think it should be outlawed. How much more basic does it get!?

I'm sure these attacks of mine have absolutely nothing to do with your attacks. :p


Cons and frauds are in fact outlawed by definition in all 50 states. And I'm quite it doesn't get more simple than that. However, your argument in that thread was that the Bible was expressly written to be a con when it was written. That counters all scientific scholarship on that Bible, and your statement in that thread was only made to justify your own senseless bigotry (which BTW was why NO ONE defended you in that thread). I'm not even religious is the funniest thing here, I'm just not bigoted, and I appreciate the insight into the historical development of ancient philosophy that the Bible provides us (like say Nietzsche or Campbell did). Kthxbye.

YOu wouldn't be able to point out any of thos attacks on you because they don't exist...

There is a con and fraud by law.. but the word con does not imply that it is referring to the law. The word con is defined in my sig. That will help you out.

"Con-"a lie, exaggeration, or glib self-serving talk:" "

This is not outlawed in 50 states. God people need education.

If I call Bush a fraud, I am not saying that he is illegal.

"Cons and frauds are in fact outlawed by definition in all 50 states. And I'm quite it doesn't get more simple than that. "

Yes legal cons and frauds, which are not even close to relevant here. considering the above definitions.
 

Vic

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Originally posted by: shadow9d9
Repeating yourself doesn't make you right. Obesity has to do with eating desserts, huge portions, and fast food. Exercise helps, but you could easily lose weight without it. I lost over 50 pounds last year by eating a very simple healthy diet. My doctor is my father.

Heh. Where was your dad when you got 50 pounds overweight? ;)

Originally posted by: Abel007
Mind-bottling?
Indeed.
 

purbeast0

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meh if everyone just ate did the whole "eat smaller meals more often" diet it would work wonders.

i've been doing it on my cutting phase right now, and I eat 5-6 meals a day. one of my meals consist of one of the following:

- Protein Shake
- Turkey Sandwich on 100% whole wheat bread
- Roast Beef sandwich on 100% whole wheat bread
- Tuna sandwich
- Bowl of cereal (either some yogurt frosted cheerios or this maple brown sugar oatmeal)
- Chicken + rice meal prepared by me or my girlfriend

Typically I'll eat 5 or 6 of those combinations over a day, sometimes having a protein shake twice a day. It's definitely more than 2000 calories, but I'm active and what not and I don't want to lose any of my size, just as much fat as possible.

And with this type of diet, the beauty of it is that I'm never "starving" for food. I'm always "just right" and I'll tend to get hungry and I'll go have one of my meals. I just never let myself get to that point that I want to eat a horse.

On the weekends however I'm not nearly as strict and will have one cheat day, sometimes 2.
 

shadow9d9

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Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: shadow9d9
Repeating yourself doesn't make you right. Obesity has to do with eating desserts, huge portions, and fast food. Exercise helps, but you could easily lose weight without it. I lost over 50 pounds last year by eating a very simple healthy diet. My doctor is my father.

Heh. Where was your dad when you got 50 pounds overweight? ;)

Originally posted by: Abel007
Mind-bottling?
Indeed.

I wasn't overweight.. I went from 180 to 140 or so.. 40 pounds... I am 6 feet.. so I went from normal to underweight.. but it was due to a specific diet I chose to be on for other reasons.
 

mrkun

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Originally posted by: purbeast0
meh if everyone just ate did the whole "eat smaller meals more often" diet it would work wonders.

i've been doing it on my cutting phase right now, and I eat 5-6 meals a day. one of my meals consist of one of the following:

- Protein Shake
- Turkey Sandwich on 100% whole wheat bread
- Roast Beef sandwich on 100% whole wheat bread
- Tuna sandwich
- Bowl of cereal (either some yogurt frosted cheerios or this maple brown sugar oatmeal)
- Chicken + rice meal prepared by me or my girlfriend

Typically I'll eat 5 or 6 of those combinations over a day, sometimes having a protein shake twice a day. It's definitely more than 2000 calories, but I'm active and what not and I don't want to lose any of my size, just as much fat as possible.

And with this type of diet, the beauty of it is that I'm never "starving" for food. I'm always "just right" and I'll tend to get hungry and I'll go have one of my meals. I just never let myself get to that point that I want to eat a horse.

On the weekends however I'm not nearly as strict and will have one cheat day, sometimes 2.

Fruits and vegetables ftw? Sorry if I'm making assumptions.
 

Amused

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Originally posted by: purbeast0
meh if everyone just ate did the whole "eat smaller meals more often" diet it would work wonders.

i've been doing it on my cutting phase right now, and I eat 5-6 meals a day. one of my meals consist of one of the following:

- Protein Shake
- Turkey Sandwich on 100% whole wheat bread
- Roast Beef sandwich on 100% whole wheat bread
- Tuna sandwich
- Bowl of cereal (either some yogurt frosted cheerios or this maple brown sugar oatmeal)
- Chicken + rice meal prepared by me or my girlfriend

Typically I'll eat 5 or 6 of those combinations over a day, sometimes having a protein shake twice a day. It's definitely more than 2000 calories, but I'm active and what not and I don't want to lose any of my size, just as much fat as possible.

And with this type of diet, the beauty of it is that I'm never "starving" for food. I'm always "just right" and I'll tend to get hungry and I'll go have one of my meals. I just never let myself get to that point that I want to eat a horse.

On the weekends however I'm not nearly as strict and will have one cheat day, sometimes 2.

The problem is that does not work long term. Study after study shows the near total failure in long term success of calorie restrictive dieting.
 

purbeast0

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Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: purbeast0
meh if everyone just ate did the whole "eat smaller meals more often" diet it would work wonders.

i've been doing it on my cutting phase right now, and I eat 5-6 meals a day. one of my meals consist of one of the following:

- Protein Shake
- Turkey Sandwich on 100% whole wheat bread
- Roast Beef sandwich on 100% whole wheat bread
- Tuna sandwich
- Bowl of cereal (either some yogurt frosted cheerios or this maple brown sugar oatmeal)
- Chicken + rice meal prepared by me or my girlfriend

Typically I'll eat 5 or 6 of those combinations over a day, sometimes having a protein shake twice a day. It's definitely more than 2000 calories, but I'm active and what not and I don't want to lose any of my size, just as much fat as possible.

And with this type of diet, the beauty of it is that I'm never "starving" for food. I'm always "just right" and I'll tend to get hungry and I'll go have one of my meals. I just never let myself get to that point that I want to eat a horse.

On the weekends however I'm not nearly as strict and will have one cheat day, sometimes 2.

The problem is that does not work long term. Study after study shows the near total failure in long term success of calorie restrictive dieting.

Heh it's far from calorie restricting. I probably eat around 3K - 4K calories a day.
 

purbeast0

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Originally posted by: mrkun
Originally posted by: purbeast0
meh if everyone just ate did the whole "eat smaller meals more often" diet it would work wonders.

i've been doing it on my cutting phase right now, and I eat 5-6 meals a day. one of my meals consist of one of the following:

- Protein Shake
- Turkey Sandwich on 100% whole wheat bread
- Roast Beef sandwich on 100% whole wheat bread
- Tuna sandwich
- Bowl of cereal (either some yogurt frosted cheerios or this maple brown sugar oatmeal)
- Chicken + rice meal prepared by me or my girlfriend

Typically I'll eat 5 or 6 of those combinations over a day, sometimes having a protein shake twice a day. It's definitely more than 2000 calories, but I'm active and what not and I don't want to lose any of my size, just as much fat as possible.

And with this type of diet, the beauty of it is that I'm never "starving" for food. I'm always "just right" and I'll tend to get hungry and I'll go have one of my meals. I just never let myself get to that point that I want to eat a horse.

On the weekends however I'm not nearly as strict and will have one cheat day, sometimes 2.

Fruits and vegetables ftw? Sorry if I'm making assumptions.

Ah yes I forgot to put that I eat a lot of pineapples. I also take multivitamins.

The vegetables I get are mainly cooked in with the rice and chicken I eat.
 

Amused

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Originally posted by: purbeast0
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: purbeast0
meh if everyone just ate did the whole "eat smaller meals more often" diet it would work wonders.

i've been doing it on my cutting phase right now, and I eat 5-6 meals a day. one of my meals consist of one of the following:

- Protein Shake
- Turkey Sandwich on 100% whole wheat bread
- Roast Beef sandwich on 100% whole wheat bread
- Tuna sandwich
- Bowl of cereal (either some yogurt frosted cheerios or this maple brown sugar oatmeal)
- Chicken + rice meal prepared by me or my girlfriend

Typically I'll eat 5 or 6 of those combinations over a day, sometimes having a protein shake twice a day. It's definitely more than 2000 calories, but I'm active and what not and I don't want to lose any of my size, just as much fat as possible.

And with this type of diet, the beauty of it is that I'm never "starving" for food. I'm always "just right" and I'll tend to get hungry and I'll go have one of my meals. I just never let myself get to that point that I want to eat a horse.

On the weekends however I'm not nearly as strict and will have one cheat day, sometimes 2.

The problem is that does not work long term. Study after study shows the near total failure in long term success of calorie restrictive dieting.

Heh it's far from calorie restricting. I probably eat around 3K - 4K calories a day.

Yes, and again, a body builder diet is impossible for the average person. Our bodies burn FAR more calories both in the gym, and especially at rest.

Put the average person on even one of our cutting diets and they'd continue to gain weight. Trim that cutting diet down until they lose weight and they would fail long term, just like the vast majority do.

A cutting diet is just a cross between Atkins and South Beach. Both of which fail in long term success, just like every other weight loss diet.
 

xtknight

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Only reason people are fat is because they just eat so much unhealthy stuff and way too much of it. Cut out at least half of the saturated fat, and all pop. Eating healthy is the key to losing weight. Exercise will help just slightly with weight loss but it is great for your joints. Getting in a better mood is also important so you don't eat so much to compensate for your bad mood. Exercise helps you get in a better mood. I'm probably just preaching to the choir though. Next thing I know, I'll be notified that I must be in the normal BMI now because my genes have changed. Doing it 'gradually' doesn't necessarily help because it takes longer. Find some healthy food that you like and use that as a substitute. Such as, replace the macaroni and cheese dinner with breaded white fish and rice. I'd rather have the fish and rice even for the taste, actually.
 

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Originally posted by: mrkun
Originally posted by: Dunbar
And BMI is far from a perfect measure of health. Measured by BMI Brad Pitt is overweight and George Clooney is obese. And "fat" people that exercise are healthier than skinny people who don't.

Tell me about it. The BMI should be completely done away with and replaced by body composition. In the past, the body comp machines were expensive, but now they're quite inexpensive and any doctor's office/clinic/hospital can afford them. They're not perfectly accurate (they have a little trouble accounting for hydration level), but even if they're 90% accurate, that's sufficient.

It's pretty common knowledge that BMI doesn't apply to athletic and muscular bodies because muscle weighs more than fat. However the number of fit high-BMI people are hugely outnumbered by the fat, non-fit high-BMI people. A few exceptions don't disprove the general rule.
 

dwcal

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Originally posted by: shadow9d9
People eating Mcdonalds and fast food for a living, plus huge portions, and no willpower = obesity. No study would EVER deny that. Genetics has a part, but cannot POSSIBLY be solely to blame. Good genetics with the above problems leads to obesity.. using genetics as a crutch is simply ridiculous.

That's been my experience. I have the "thin" gene. For most of my life, I've been able to eat all I want and not get fat. Exercise helped, but I didn't always keep up with exercise. However, it slowly caught up with me, a few pounds every few years. Two years ago, I ended up 15-20 pounds overweight. If I had the fat gene, I'm sure I would have ended up obese with the same eating habits. Since then I cut out the junk food and got serious about exercise, and I'm doing great.

Having the "thin" gene just helps you survive a sedentary, junk food lifestyle. It doesn't excuse all the food conglomerates from pushing junk on us just because some people can survive on junk.
 

Vic

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Yaknow, this thread just demonstrates the stupidity that I have to put up with on the internet.

Me: being healthy requires a living a complete healthy lifestyle, diet and exercise.

Tools: No, you're wrong. You can be thin just by eating less. Exercise is for assholes who want to feel superior. By the way, corporations suck, they're at fault for everything blah blah blah agenda agenda agenda.

Me: (Affronted) Don't mischaracterize my argument and call me wrong just so you can platform your little agenda. I could give a sh!t about your agenda, and it has no bearing on the actual argument here.

Tools: Wah wah wah personal attack you owe me an apology :roll:
 

Krakn3Dfx

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The same study was expanded to find that there is a rise in usage of the phrase "Fatty, fatty, 2x4, can't fit through the kitchen door."

No doubt therapists everywhere are clearing their schedule and raising their rates.
 

purbeast0

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Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: purbeast0
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: purbeast0
meh if everyone just ate did the whole "eat smaller meals more often" diet it would work wonders.

i've been doing it on my cutting phase right now, and I eat 5-6 meals a day. one of my meals consist of one of the following:

- Protein Shake
- Turkey Sandwich on 100% whole wheat bread
- Roast Beef sandwich on 100% whole wheat bread
- Tuna sandwich
- Bowl of cereal (either some yogurt frosted cheerios or this maple brown sugar oatmeal)
- Chicken + rice meal prepared by me or my girlfriend

Typically I'll eat 5 or 6 of those combinations over a day, sometimes having a protein shake twice a day. It's definitely more than 2000 calories, but I'm active and what not and I don't want to lose any of my size, just as much fat as possible.

And with this type of diet, the beauty of it is that I'm never "starving" for food. I'm always "just right" and I'll tend to get hungry and I'll go have one of my meals. I just never let myself get to that point that I want to eat a horse.

On the weekends however I'm not nearly as strict and will have one cheat day, sometimes 2.

The problem is that does not work long term. Study after study shows the near total failure in long term success of calorie restrictive dieting.

Heh it's far from calorie restricting. I probably eat around 3K - 4K calories a day.

Yes, and again, a body builder diet is impossible for the average person. Our bodies burn FAR more calories both in the gym, and especially at rest.

Put the average person on even one of our cutting diets and they'd continue to gain weight. Trim that cutting diet down until they lose weight and they would fail long term, just like the vast majority do.

A cutting diet is just a cross between Atkins and South Beach. Both of which fail in long term success, just like every other weight loss diet.

Ah true that, true that. I never thought about it that way as I've been lifting for like 4 years or so and it is just part of my lifestyle that I don't realize how it would be if I wasn't lifting (although when I broke my ankle and was out of the gym for a few months, I didn't really gain more than 5lbs or so).