Study: ADHD is 'underdiagnosed and undertreated'

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MONDAY, Sept. 3 (HealthDay News) -- Nearly 9 percent of American children have attention-deficit/hyperactivity disorder (ADHD), but only 32 percent of them are getting the medication they need.

That's the sobering conclusion of a landmark new study, the first of its kind based on what doctors consider the "gold standard" of diagnostic criteria -- the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual for Mental Disorders, Fourth Edition.

"There is a perception that ADHD is overdiagnosed and overtreated," said lead researcher Dr. Tanya E. Froehlich, a developmental-behavioral pediatrician at Cincinnati Children's Medical Center. "But our study shows that for those who meet the criteria for ADHD, the opposite problem -- underdiagnosis and undertreatment -- seems to be occurring."

The researchers found that some 2.4 million children between the ages of 8 and 15 meet the medical definition of ADHD, but an estimated 1.2 million children haven't been diagnosed or treated, Froehlich said, adding that "girls were more likely to be undiagnosed."

What's more, children from poor families, who have the highest rates of ADHD, were the least likely to have consistent treatment with medication, Froehlich noted. "In addition, children without health insurance were less likely to be diagnosed and treated," she said.

The findings were published in the September issue ofArchives of Pediatrics & Adolescent Medicine.

ADHD is a condition that becomes apparent in some children in the preschool and early school years and is characterized by hyperactivity, inattention and impulsivity, according to the U.S. National Institute of Mental Health.

To arrive at their findings, Froehlich and her colleagues collected data on 3,082 children who participated in the National Health and Nutrition Examination Survey. Using interviews, the researchers were able to establish the presence of ADHD. They also used data from doctors and the numbers of ADHD medications being used to establish diagnosis and treatment patterns, according to the report.

The researchers found that of the 8.7 percent of children who met the criteria for ADHD, only 47.9 percent had been diagnosed with the condition and only 32 percent were treated consistently with medications.

Froehlich said medications can be quite effective, and people with ADHD can lead successful lives if they have been properly diagnosed and treated.

"There are many successful professionals who have ADHD," Froehlich said. "On the flip side, there can be a lot of negative consequences associated with the disorder, such as lower rates of school and career achievement and higher rates of substance abuse, incarceration, injuries and car accidents," she said.

Froehlich said more needs to be done to identify and treat children with ADHD. "It's not a trivial disorder," she said. "It can have an impact on the child and the family if it is not diagnosed and addressed. We need to redouble our efforts to help doctors spot the symptoms of ADHD and make an accurate diagnosis."

Dr. Jon A. Shaw, director of child and adolescent psychiatry at the University of Miami School of Medicine, agrees that ADHD is underdiagnosed and undertreated.

"The study is confirmatory of the general scientific literature," he said. "ADHD is a highly prevalent disorder, the most common psychiatric diagnosis in children, and that, in general, it is being underdiagnosed and undertreated in our community."

Shaw noted that those children most at risk receive the worst care. "It is clear once again that it is the poorest of our community who are deprived of the benefits of the most effective treatment -- psychopharmacology for this condition," he said.

The discovery that ADHD is more common among poorer people is probably related to other risk factors for the disorder, such as use of tobacco, low birth weight and lead exposure, Shaw said.

I caught this on the radio this morning, I think it was a CBS affiliated program. They had some 'expert' commenting on the study, who urged parents to visit a mental health professional to discuss their child. At the end of the segment the host thanked the expert for their 'good parenting advice'. It almost made me sick.

Personally I am of the opinion that ADD/ADHD is largely a ploy by the pharmaceutical industry to make more money. The claim that ~9% of kids have it reinforces my belief that much of what is diagnosed as a disorder is actually still normal behavior. Also, the claim that ADD/ADHD is more prevalent among the poor seems to indicate that these kids' behavior is related more to parenting and their environment than any actual disease.
 

Uhtrinity

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The true cure
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I don't want to sound like Tom Cruise, but this is one area that I think really does have more with lack of parenting and good discipline.
 

ayabe

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If anything it's the exact opposite, it's overdiagnosed and overtreated.

Your kid doesn't have ADHD, he's just an obnoxious asshole because you failed as a parent. Your idea of quality time with your kid is handing him a PSP so he won't bother you or plugging him into a DVD player in your SUV so you don't have to interact with him.

It's as simple as that, kids in a hyperactive society, whose minds have been trained to constantly need visual stimulation and lacking in real parent/child contact have become retards who can't focus or behave because their mind craves constant stimulation and sitting still for 10 seconds is "boring".

This is what ADHD is all about.
 

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The researchers found that some 2.4 million children between the ages of 8 and 15 meet the medical definition of ADHD, but an estimated 1.2 million children haven't been diagnosed or treated

Maybe they need to redefine the medical definition. Also, if they haven't been diagnosed, how exactly were they able to discern the 1.2 million that meet the criteria?
 

LegendKiller

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Originally posted by: ayabe
If anything it's the exact opposite, it's overdiagnosed and overtreated.

Your kid doesn't have ADHD, he's just an obnoxious asshole because you failed as a parent. Your idea of quality time with your kid is handing him a PSP so he won't bother you or plugging him into a DVD player in your SUV so you don't have to interact with him.

It's as simple as that, kids in a hyperactive society, whose minds have been trained to constantly need visual stimulation and lacking in real parent/child contact have become retards who can't focus or behave because their mind craves constant stimulation and sitting still for 10 seconds is "boring".

This is what ADHD is all about.

I think parenting is one problem. However, I definitely believe another problem is just the fact that kids are being shoveled things they aren't interested in. When I was in HS I hated some classes and loved others, I wasn't willing to learn completely those I didn't like, thus I did poorly in those. I didn't act out too much, but I was diagnosed with ADHD. Same thing in undergrad. Put me into a class I was actually interested in and I did extremely well. This showed up even more in grad school when I didn't get anything less than an A in all finance, accounting, and business courses. Only things I got a B+ in were marketing, oranizational behavior and design, and an A- in a crappy IT class where the prof was a moron.

Additionally, somehow I was able to pass the CFA exams, all 3 on the first attempt, despite having to sit still for 6 hours during exams and study ~1,000 hours for each one.

How could I have done that with ADHD?

Now it seems to be getting worse, as parenting declines and now our kids are shoveled crap to adhere to the moronic ideas of teaching to tests and not to education. This is really the main reason why I was so disinterested in psychology as I advanced through the undergraduate degree. I really had a problem with psychologists, drug companies, and others, having a conflict of interest. They have little motivation to actually cure people, as that would lead to decreased revenues. First hand knowledge showed that psychiatrists were a waste of time.

I am far from a Tom Cruise screwball (and I am actually insulted by his insinuation that all psychology is wrong), because I do believe the majority of psychologists and psychiatrists are doing beneficial work. However, in cases such as ADHD and others, they are failures.

The parents and the system is failing our kids and these companies are salivating at the prospect of medicating millions and the billions in profits that will reap.
 

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ADHD symptoms are very similar to depression tinged with manic states. In other words, ADHD is kiddie depression. It would have alot to do with the state of the family, living conditions, and parenting like some are suggesting.

One thing to note- all these psychological diagnoses from the DSM (Diagnostic and Statistical Manual) are not "real" diagnoses in that they are merely names for a common set of behavioral symptoms. In other words, saying that someone has ADHD is not the same as saying someone has the flu as one is diagnosed based upon cause and symptom and the other is diagnosed based upon symptoms alone. Causality is critical for diagnosis of any disease as cure is based upon treating the cause rather than the symptoms. This is why the Pharm community tries so hard to pass off their medications as a solution to a problem when in fact it is merely suppressing symptoms alone.
 

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Originally posted by: ayabe
If anything it's the exact opposite, it's overdiagnosed and overtreated.

Your kid doesn't have ADHD, he's just an obnoxious asshole because you failed as a parent. Your idea of quality time with your kid is handing him a PSP so he won't bother you or plugging him into a DVD player in your SUV so you don't have to interact with him.

and meds are the easy way out for the parent
 

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Originally posted by: LegendKiller
Originally posted by: ayabe
If anything it's the exact opposite, it's overdiagnosed and overtreated.

Your kid doesn't have ADHD, he's just an obnoxious asshole because you failed as a parent. Your idea of quality time with your kid is handing him a PSP so he won't bother you or plugging him into a DVD player in your SUV so you don't have to interact with him.

It's as simple as that, kids in a hyperactive society, whose minds have been trained to constantly need visual stimulation and lacking in real parent/child contact have become retards who can't focus or behave because their mind craves constant stimulation and sitting still for 10 seconds is "boring".

This is what ADHD is all about.

I think parenting is one problem. However, I definitely believe another problem is just the fact that kids are being shoveled things they aren't interested in. When I was in HS I hated some classes and loved others, I wasn't willing to learn completely those I didn't like, thus I did poorly in those. I didn't act out too much, but I was diagnosed with ADHD. Same thing in undergrad. Put me into a class I was actually interested in and I did extremely well. This showed up even more in grad school when I didn't get anything less than an A in all finance, accounting, and business courses. Only things I got a B+ in were marketing, oranizational behavior and design, and an A- in a crappy IT class where the prof was a moron.

Additionally, somehow I was able to pass the CFA exams, all 3 on the first attempt, despite having to sit still for 6 hours during exams and study ~1,000 hours for each one.

How could I have done that with ADHD?

Now it seems to be getting worse, as parenting declines and now our kids are shoveled crap to adhere to the moronic ideas of teaching to tests and not to education. This is really the main reason why I was so disinterested in psychology as I advanced through the undergraduate degree. I really had a problem with psychologists, drug companies, and others, having a conflict of interest. They have little motivation to actually cure people, as that would lead to decreased revenues. First hand knowledge showed that psychiatrists were a waste of time.

I am far from a Tom Cruise screwball (and I am actually insulted by his insinuation that all psychology is wrong), because I do believe the majority of psychologists and psychiatrists are doing beneficial work. However, in cases such as ADHD and others, they are failures.

The parents and the system is failing our kids and these companies are salivating at the prospect of medicating millions and the billions in profits that will reap.


Very well said.
 

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I was diagnosed with a solid case of ADHD, in Jr. High.

I wouldn't do my homework. I would draw or dick around on the computer in class. I'd skip classes.

I also aced all my tests, and aced classes when my teachers looked the other way regarding homework. I passed high school just fine, and I've done great in life so far.

I think my issue was a lack of respect for authority or the "system" itself. This mentality has gotten me far on my own, too. Misdiagnosis FTW!
 

ayabe

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Originally posted by: LegendKiller
Originally posted by: ayabe
If anything it's the exact opposite, it's overdiagnosed and overtreated.

Your kid doesn't have ADHD, he's just an obnoxious asshole because you failed as a parent. Your idea of quality time with your kid is handing him a PSP so he won't bother you or plugging him into a DVD player in your SUV so you don't have to interact with him.

It's as simple as that, kids in a hyperactive society, whose minds have been trained to constantly need visual stimulation and lacking in real parent/child contact have become retards who can't focus or behave because their mind craves constant stimulation and sitting still for 10 seconds is "boring".

This is what ADHD is all about.

I think parenting is one problem. However, I definitely believe another problem is just the fact that kids are being shoveled things they aren't interested in. When I was in HS I hated some classes and loved others, I wasn't willing to learn completely those I didn't like, thus I did poorly in those. I didn't act out too much, but I was diagnosed with ADHD. Same thing in undergrad. Put me into a class I was actually interested in and I did extremely well. This showed up even more in grad school when I didn't get anything less than an A in all finance, accounting, and business courses. Only things I got a B+ in were marketing, oranizational behavior and design, and an A- in a crappy IT class where the prof was a moron.

Additionally, somehow I was able to pass the CFA exams, all 3 on the first attempt, despite having to sit still for 6 hours during exams and study ~1,000 hours for each one.

How could I have done that with ADHD?

Now it seems to be getting worse, as parenting declines and now our kids are shoveled crap to adhere to the moronic ideas of teaching to tests and not to education. This is really the main reason why I was so disinterested in psychology as I advanced through the undergraduate degree. I really had a problem with psychologists, drug companies, and others, having a conflict of interest. They have little motivation to actually cure people, as that would lead to decreased revenues. First hand knowledge showed that psychiatrists were a waste of time.

I am far from a Tom Cruise screwball (and I am actually insulted by his insinuation that all psychology is wrong), because I do believe the majority of psychologists and psychiatrists are doing beneficial work. However, in cases such as ADHD and others, they are failures.

The parents and the system is failing our kids and these companies are salivating at the prospect of medicating millions and the billions in profits that will reap.

Well that's a testament to yourself and not trying to use ADHD as a crutch. This is the mistake that parents make; either give up on them by caving into medication which I think for most children is a mistake or for the kids to give up on themselves, i.e. "I can't do X because I have ADHD.".

My mother and I chuckle over something to this day, when I was first going into kindergarten my parents were trying to get me into a "prestigious" Catholic school. So my mother and I went down and had an interview and they also administered a test. The main part of the test involved me being given a dozen or so colored blocks and I was supposed to make a necklace out of said blocks. After finishing the test we went home and my mother enrolled me in another school.

Years later I asked my mother why I didn't end up going to the original school and she laughed and said it's because they wouldn't accept me and the school administrators were of the opinion that I had a learning disability.

Well I can say with a smile that their diagnosis was complete crap and I went on to have a successful academic and professional career.

Now there were certainly subjects in school that I didn't excel in, math and art being the two that come to mind. I was never particularly interested in either and generally the most I could get out of a math class would be a B. So it was something that I never felt I would improve in. Well in college I needed to take Calculus 1, 2, and 3 for my degree. I was of course freaking out about this and almost dropped my major because I was selling myself short. But I instead decided to stick it out and chose instead to go for it. I enrolled in the smallest class possible and was taught by a TA (vs the Prof in an auditorium with 500+ students) and lo and behold I got an A in Calc 1, the first A I had ever gotten in any math class throughout my time in school. Once I got that under my belt, Calc 2 and 3 were a breeze. This TA was the best math teacher I'd ever had, by a long shot and that made all the difference.

Psychology as a science is still in its infancy and barely 100 years old so methodologies and theories are still changing at a rapid pace. But the trend of the past 10+ years is to issue medication as a first resort rather than the last. This has been the trend overall in our society, the number of adults who take a daily prescription for something has gone up exponentially in this same time period. There is not a pill to cure everything in this world. Unfortunately, life is full of adversity, stress, and challenges that must be overcome. It's dealing with these experiences that will shape the person that we eventually become in either a positive or negative way.

I guess the moral of the story is to never sell yourself or your kids short. Everyone learns a little differently and some students require more attention than others and it's that extra attention or flexible teaching methods that are not really compatible with the way our public education system is constructed. Everyone is taught and judged using the same standards, this invariably leaves some kids behind, they get frustrated and act out or generally lose interest in school altogether. This is where the parent needs to step in, either to arrange tutoring or to step in to fill in the gaps.
 

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Originally posted by: spittledip
Originally posted by: ayabe
If anything it's the exact opposite, it's overdiagnosed and overtreated.

Your kid doesn't have ADHD, he's just an obnoxious asshole because you failed as a parent. Your idea of quality time with your kid is handing him a PSP so he won't bother you or plugging him into a DVD player in your SUV so you don't have to interact with him.

and meds are the easy way out for the parent

And a teacher/school.
 

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Originally posted by: Balt
Originally posted by: spittledip
Originally posted by: ayabe
If anything it's the exact opposite, it's overdiagnosed and overtreated.

Your kid doesn't have ADHD, he's just an obnoxious asshole because you failed as a parent. Your idea of quality time with your kid is handing him a PSP so he won't bother you or plugging him into a DVD player in your SUV so you don't have to interact with him.

and meds are the easy way out for the parent

And a teacher/school.

And the companies that make money off the drugs.
 

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Originally posted by: mfs378
ADHD is 'underdiagnosed and undertreated'
Topic Summary: A case of pharmaceutical companies trying to sell more product?

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MONDAY, Sept. 3 (HealthDay News) -- Nearly 9 percent of American children have attention-deficit/hyperactivity disorder (ADHD), but only 32 percent of them are getting the medication they need.

So how is it the pharmaceutical companies fault? :roll:

This is nothing but another Dave thread.
"Blah, blah, blah...Oil barons"
"Blah, blah, blah...Big Pharma"
"Blah, blah, blah...'Insert some other industry here'"

The pharmacists and biochemists working for "Pharmaceutical company X" don't have a license to "diagnose" or "write prescriptions" in this country for your information.

Guess who's job is that? :roll:
 

mfs378

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Originally posted by: Lothar
Originally posted by: mfs378
ADHD is 'underdiagnosed and undertreated'
Topic Summary: A case of pharmaceutical companies trying to sell more product?

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MONDAY, Sept. 3 (HealthDay News) -- Nearly 9 percent of American children have attention-deficit/hyperactivity disorder (ADHD), but only 32 percent of them are getting the medication they need.

So how is it the pharmaceutical companies fault? :roll:

This is nothing but another Dave thread.
"Blah, blah, blah...Oil barons"
"Blah, blah, blah...Big Pharma"
"Blah, blah, blah...'Insert some other industry here'"

The pharmacists and biochemists working for "Pharmaceutical company X" don't have a license to "diagnose" or "write prescriptions" in this country for your information.

Guess who's job is that? :roll:

The doctors, who are paid by the pharmaceutical companies?

Text

Doctors are permitted to receive cash payments, gifts, meals, textbooks, and conference fees from the pharmaceutical companies whose products they may prescribe. However, five areas?California, Maine, Minnesota, Vermont, West Virginia and the District of Columbia?now monitor these payments. Only Vermont and Minnesota allow the data collected to be made public.

Maybe you are right and the companies are blameless. However, all I have to go on is your assertion and that isn't good enough. The data that could prove this one way or the other is hidden from the public; what does that tell you?
 

ayabe

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Originally posted by: Lothar
Originally posted by: mfs378
ADHD is 'underdiagnosed and undertreated'
Topic Summary: A case of pharmaceutical companies trying to sell more product?

Text

MONDAY, Sept. 3 (HealthDay News) -- Nearly 9 percent of American children have attention-deficit/hyperactivity disorder (ADHD), but only 32 percent of them are getting the medication they need.

So how is it the pharmaceutical companies fault? :roll:

This is nothing but another Dave thread.
"Blah, blah, blah...Oil barons"
"Blah, blah, blah...Big Pharma"
"Blah, blah, blah...'Insert some other industry here'"

The pharmacists and biochemists working for "Pharmaceutical company X" don't have a license to "diagnose" or "write prescriptions" in this country for your information.

Guess who's job is that? :roll:

Thanks for the contribution. Here take this *pill* and watch TV, thanks.
 

imported_Lothar

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Originally posted by: mfs378
Originally posted by: Lothar
Originally posted by: mfs378
ADHD is 'underdiagnosed and undertreated'
Topic Summary: A case of pharmaceutical companies trying to sell more product?

Text

MONDAY, Sept. 3 (HealthDay News) -- Nearly 9 percent of American children have attention-deficit/hyperactivity disorder (ADHD), but only 32 percent of them are getting the medication they need.

So how is it the pharmaceutical companies fault? :roll:

This is nothing but another Dave thread.
"Blah, blah, blah...Oil barons"
"Blah, blah, blah...Big Pharma"
"Blah, blah, blah...'Insert some other industry here'"

The pharmacists and biochemists working for "Pharmaceutical company X" don't have a license to "diagnose" or "write prescriptions" in this country for your information.

Guess who's job is that? :roll:

The doctors, who are paid by the pharmaceutical companies?

Text

Doctors are permitted to receive cash payments, gifts, meals, textbooks, and conference fees from the pharmaceutical companies whose products they may prescribe. However, five areas?California, Maine, Minnesota, Vermont, West Virginia and the District of Columbia?now monitor these payments. Only Vermont and Minnesota allow the data collected to be made public.

Maybe you are right and the companies are blameless. However, all I have to go on is your assertion and that isn't good enough. The data that could prove this one way or the other is hidden from the public; what does that tell you?

So the pharmaceutical companies tell doctors to "underdiagnose" ADHD patients by giving them cash payments, gifts, meals, textbooks, and conference fees there by losing billions of potential revenue from patients and their ~10 year limited drug patents?

Please take off your tinfoil hat.

If I have a drug patent that lasts for 10 years, why would I want to tell doctors to underdiagnose future ADHD patients to limit my own cash cow potential profits?

I see it now...

Year 2007
Pfizer: Under diagnose Erectile Dysfunction. Here's $1000 for each of you.
MD's: Cool beans.

...
Pfizer loses potential $5 billion in profits from Viagra through 2011 by telling MD's to underdiagnose erectile dysfunction.
...

Year 2011
Pfizer loses Viagra patent.
Two hours later; Teva, Mylan, Barr, and Watson pharmaceuticals all release Viagra generics on the market.


You may have a point about how evil the pharmaceutical companies are for rolling in profits at the expense of people's sickness and not curing diseases.
However, "underdiagnosing" disease states isn't the reason they're rolling in profits.
Most of the reason has already been posted earlier by ayabe, and he already did a better job of explaining than I will ever do.

Add in take 6 year old son to McDonalds to treat him with burger and fries 5 times a week because you're too lazy to cook OR you just want to be nice and give your child everything he asks for such as "Can we go to McDonalds?".
10 years later, He'll be using Lipitor.
 

mfs378

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Originally posted by: Lothar
So the pharmaceutical companies tell doctors to "underdiagnose" ADHD patients by giving them cash payments, gifts, meals, textbooks, and conference fees there by losing billions of potential revenue from patients and their ~10 year limited drug patents?

Please take off your tinfoil hat.

If I have a drug patent that lasts for 10 years, why would I want to tell doctors to underdiagnose future ADHD patients to limit my own cash cow potential profits?

I see it now...

Year 2007
Pfizer: Under diagnose Erectile Dysfunction. Here's $1000 for each of you.
MD's: Cool beans.

...
Pfizer loses potential $5 billion in profits from Viagra through 2011 by telling MD's to underdiagnose erectile dysfunction.
...

Year 2011
Pfizer loses Viagra patent.
Two hours later; Teva, Mylan, Barr, and Watson pharmaceuticals all release Viagra generics on the market.


You may have a point about how evil the pharmaceutical companies are for rolling in profits at the expense of people's sickness and not curing diseases.
However, "underdiagnosing" disease states isn't the reason they're rolling in profits.
Most of the reason has already been posted earlier by ayabe, and he already did a better job of explaining than I will ever do.

Add in take 6 year old son to McDonalds to treat him with burger and fries 5 times a week because you're too lazy to cook OR you just want to be nice and give your child everything he asks for such as "Can we go to McDonalds?".
10 years later, He'll be using Lipitor.

Where did I say that pharmaceutical companies tell companies to underdiagnose? You are off on your own with that tangent. Pharmaceutical companies want doctors to increase the number of prescriptions, which leads to studies like this one and idiots like the one I heard on the radio this morning.