Students facing expulsion over dress code violation: Rebel Pride

[etrigan420]

Ideas are beyond corporal form, the owner need no physical stereotype. Freedom, liberty, the right of secession is inherent in all living things. Americans should be keenly aware of this.

The confederacy symbolizes what we hold to be true, though burned and defeated. Our ideals shall not be forgotten for so long as America stands, for the truth of it is the truth of us all, right down to the very beginning.

You may have noticed our god given right of secession in our declaration of independence. Try banning that.

Oh sweet Jesus. Are you off your meds again?

 

[Ninjahedge]

No. Most symbols mean only one thing - Pride.

A human sin that demands people fixate on a material symbol of something they never had a part in, whose actual ideals and meaning have been so distorted by perspective and time that the rational behind them no longer fits the original message and meaning.

The only thing you should be "proud" of is your own damn accomplishments, not the symbol of a lost war fought over the "rights" of the rich to do whatever the hell they wanted to do.

 

[dabuddha]

How about all these fucking retarded kids go to school to learn instead of trying to stir shit up.

 

[Darwin333]

Uhmmm, the United States DID ban secession, quite successfully I might add. Does this ring a bell?

So did the Kingdom of Great Britain.

 

[Ninjahedge]

Yeah, and look how fucked up they are now.....

 

[woolfe9999]

These kinds of bans happen all the time for all sorts of different arbitrary reasons. IMO the State has the right to issue dress codes for schools, although I don't believe they should be able to force parents to subject their children to such tyranny either. Gets into a much bigger discussion than simply banning shirts from there huh?

LOL at school dress codes as "tyranny."

 

[DrPizza]

The history/social studies teachers in that school have failed at their job. One of the things typically discussed in high school courses are major court decisions - Plessy vs. Ferguson, etc., that sort of stuff. It doesn't take a shitload of thought to realize that hey, maybe you might need to extend that and show students that the confederate flag issue has already been decided in the courts - NOT freedom of speech, and schools are allowed to ban them based on a number of factors. On the other hand, those I Love Boobies bracelets (that some schools chose to ban) won in court in a recent decision. (Actually, I believe they won in several court decisions in multiple states.) Nonetheless, 1st amendment cases that are first tried in state courts tend to not be ignored by people in other states.

 

[feralkid]

So did the Kingdom of Great Britain.

Not very successfully.

 

[MovingTarget]

1. School dress codes are primarily meant to maintain order and a conducive learning environment. If they don't want this kind of thing popping up every few months, they should consider transitioning to school uniforms. Many public systems have done so.

2. I am a supporter of the Confederate flag. That being said, you DO NOT wear or fly one outside the South. Otherwise, it most certainly is antagonistic.

 

[Zebo]

Yeah... they're morons. I could see the argument if you're in or from the South, but Michigan? Come on... That'd be like a New Yorker throwing up WEST SIDE!

Neither is UNLV rebels it's in nevada way out west and I don't even think was a state back then. There's also a good football HS in Midland TX that are the Robert E Lee HS Rebels..I'm sure there are more outside of Dixie just off top of my head.

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

White conservatives still can't get over the fact that they lost the Civil War. Pathetic.

 

[HomerJS]

This is a decorative Hindu symbol

Does anyone here think any school board would allow a student of Hindu origin wear this on a t-shirt?

Get over it! I'm sure many districts don't allow red or blue bandanas either.

 

[piasabird]

wear a peace sign or a picture of a MJ leaf and that is perfectly all right. Wear a raised fist that is fine. A logo of a beer or a cig brand is perfectly fine. Suddenly a rebel flag appears and you are a racist. Does it really matter? The Rebel Flag is a symbol of rebellion against the machine, the man or whatever you want to call it. Why does everyone have to conform? Or can you only have liberal left-wing rebellion symbols?

 

[piasabird]

Shave all their heads and make them wear white T-shirts.

 

[piasabird]

I dont like school uniforms. It is like making everyone dress like a military dictator.

 

[fskimospy]

wear a peace sign or a picture of a MJ leaf and that is perfectly all right. Wear a raised fist that is fine. A logo of a beer or a cig brand is perfectly fine. Suddenly a rebel flag appears and you are a racist. Does it really matter? The Rebel Flag is a symbol of rebellion against the machine, the man or whatever you want to call it. Why does everyone have to conform? Or can you only have liberal left-wing rebellion symbols?

Uhmmm, marijuana leaf t-shirts are banned in schools all the time, as are alcohol and cigarette t-shirts. I know for a fact all 3 were banned in mine when I was growing up. Why do you just make up things to be outraged about?

The Confederate flag is the symbol of a racist slave state that was party to systemic enslavement, rape, and murder. It's a symbol of rebellion to preserve the most disgusting feature of the US ever to have existed. So... I think it's pretty okay to say you can't glorify that.

 

[piasabird]

Lets ban some books while we are at it also. Sooner or later your group or organization will be banned also. Who says where all this banning will start or stop. Next the color of your belt will signify what gang or click you are in. Maybe gang member will wear the same kind of watch or something.

 

[fskimospy]

Lets ban some books while we are at it also.

The Confederacy was and is discussed at great length on numerous occasions throughout someones K-12 career. It is the exact opposite of banned.

 

[Zebo]

Uhmmm, marijuana leaf t-shirts are banned in schools all the time, as are alcohol and cigarette t-shirts. I know for a fact all 3 were banned in mine when I was growing up. Why do you just make up things to be outraged about?

The Confederate flag is the symbol of a racist slave state that was party to systemic enslavement, rape, and murder. It's a symbol of rebellion to preserve the most disgusting feature of the US ever to have existed. So... I think it's pretty okay to say you can't glorify that.

There were white slaves too. Google sally miller german slave not to mention white slaves all over the arab slave trade. Anyway was a different time where every culture took slaves and become slaves you can't apply modern lens to the past nor can you interpret for everyone else what it means. Some see it as a symbol of rebellion against federalism & states rights rather than wanting the slave trade back. Interpretation for them to decide IMO and I'm generally against restrictions on free speech including the drugs examples, slippery slope.

 

[CitizenKain]

The Rebel Flag is a symbol of rebellion against the machine, the man or whatever you want to call it. Why does everyone have to conform? Or can you only have liberal left-wing rebellion symbols?

The rebel flag is the flag of cowards and racists.

 

[fskimospy]

There were white slaves too. Google sally miller german slave not to mention white slaves all over the arab slave trade. Anyway was a different time where every culture took slaves and become slaves you can't apply modern lens to the past nor can you interpret for everyone else what it means. Some see it as a symbol of rebellion against federalism & states rights rather than wanting the slave trade back. Interpretation for them to decide IMO and I'm generally against restrictions on free speech including the drugs examples, slippery slope.

Not to mention the roman slave trade, blah blah. Irrelevant.

There is no other organization in all of human history that represents slavery like the Confederacy does. None. In addition, I don't need to interpret what the Confederacy stood for, as we can ask the confederates themselves! (hint: it was for state's rights... specifically the state right to own slaves)

Let's quote ourselves from the ordinances of secession and their explanations and see what the seceding southerners thought they were forming the Confederacy for. I've done this before, but somehow the myth of the Confederacy as being something other than slaveholding pigfuckery persists:

For example, South Carolina: http://avalon.law.yale.edu/19th_century/csa_scarsec.asp

The General Government, as the common agent, passed laws to carry into effect these stipulations of the States. For many years these laws were executed. But an increasing hostility on the part of the non-slaveholding States to the institution of slavery, has led to a disregard of their obligations, and the laws of the General Government have ceased to effect the objects of the Constitution. The States of Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, Massachusetts, Connecticut, Rhode Island, New York, Pennsylvania, Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, Wisconsin and Iowa, have enacted laws which either nullify the Acts of Congress or render useless any attempt to execute them. In many of these States the fugitive is discharged from service or labor claimed, and in none of them has the State Government complied with the stipulation made in the Constitution. The State of New Jersey, at an early day, passed a law in conformity with her constitutional obligation; but the current of anti-slavery feeling has led her more recently to enact laws which render inoperative the remedies provided by her own law and by the laws of Congress. In the State of New York even the right of transit for a slave has been denied by her tribunals; and the States of Ohio and Iowa have refused to surrender to justice fugitives charged with murder, and with inciting servile insurrection in the State of Virginia. Thus the constituted compact has been deliberately broken and disregarded by the non-slaveholding States, and the consequence follows that South Carolina is released from her obligation.

There is no interpretation necessary. That's what the Confederacy existed for.

 

[MovingTarget]

I dont like school uniforms. It is like making everyone dress like a military dictator.

Military dictators dress in cheap khakis and polo shirts?

Perhaps I should check my sarcasm meter...

 

[AznAnarchy99]

Funny, but as far as I can tell, there wasn't any problem until some overly sensative "I've got sand in my Vagina" person bitched about it. Had the schools folks told those overly sensitive PC assholes to buzz off, there would not have been a problem. Instead, the wonderful left-leaning "let's make everyone happy" "free speech isn't free if I don't want you to say it" educators decided to ban the confederate flag.

Gee, if this isn't the Streisand effect in action, I don't know what is.

I wonder if they allow Dixie Chicks shirts. Wait, what I am saying. Of course they do...

My high school didnt allow any solid color tshirts, no shirts with any logos, no shirts with sports or college affiliations except for college day etc etc.

 

[Ninjahedge]

If there was no controversy behind the symbol, nobody would care and very few would wear it or demand to do so.

"It is my right as an American Citizen to wear the flag of a group that wanted to split the US over "State Rights" and keep their "freedom"".

"Fine."


"Uh, OK. SOUTHERN PRIDE!!!!!"
"SOUTHERN PRIDE!!!!!!!"
"HEY!!!"
"Anyone?"
"fuck."