Student spits in assistant principals face, AP slaps the s**t out of him :D

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manowar821

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Originally posted by: waggy
Originally posted by: manowar821
Originally posted by: soulcougher73
Kid got what he deserved. What happened to respect for your elders. Such a lost concept now-a-days.

Maybe because it's an ass-backwards concept.

how is that?


actually its not even a matter or respect. its a matter of common courtesy. you do not spit on anyone.

I didn't say anything about spitting in someones face just now, I was simply responding to the concept of "respect your elders". I think that's complete BS.

A better form of common courtesy would be "give respect where respect is due", and "treat others as you'd like them to treat you". Simply respecting someone because they're in a certain social/governmental position, or because they're a certain age is foolish and sad.

EDIT: This would mean that my thoughts on whether or not this girl was justified in spitting is GREATLY dependent on whether or not the PA was being a complete b1tch before hand, or not. I doubt there is an actual good reason for it, but it's not impossible.
 

Red Dawn

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Actually getting slapped is good experience for the kid so when he ends up in prison he'll have an inkling of what to expect when he assualots the authorities, in his case Prison Guards.
 

Golgatha

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All I have to say is that the purpose of the school is to prepare these kids for real life.

Life Lesson: If you spit in someone's face, expect to get bitch slapped (or worse in my case).
 

waggy

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Actually getting slapped is good experience for the kid so when he ends up in prison he'll have an inkling of what to expect when he assualots the authorities, in his case Prison Guards.

its nto the prison guards he should be worried about. its Bubba his cell mate that wants to "spit" in his face..
 

Golgatha

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Originally posted by: MichaelD
And by the way, Mr. "Adult Paying His Way." Do you have any kids? I have one. He's 11. He's had problems in school. But guess what? He NEVER has done anything like that. Know why? B/C he knows I would put my foot up his @SS. Literally.

Being a GOOD parent is a freakin' hard job. But I'll be damned if I let my offspring grow up to be anything but as good as how I was raised.

You obviously have no such standards.

Agreed. Mine's only 3years old, but I guarantee if he ever did something like that to an AP I'd put my foot so far up his ass that he'd taste bottom of my shoe.
 

glutenberg

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Originally posted by: manowar821
I'm the one who understands that. I have the feeling that several people think I'm one of those crazies who are against ANY kind of physical discipline, and that is completely untrue. These guys are using the word "beating" and "ass-whooping", and I'm responding accordingly. I shouldn't need to clarify myself like this.

Well, most of the posters are colloquializing physical discipline into a semi-joke to make light of the situation. I'd imagine half the time when they say, "beat your kids," they have an image of Russell Peters in the back of their mind. I haven't seen anyone imply that by beating they meant physically abuse and someone earlier in these posts has mentioned that there's a difference from what ATOT has been calling beating and what a real beating entails.
 

mugs

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Originally posted by: manowar821
Originally posted by: PrelateBishop
Originally posted by: KK
Originally posted by: Ktulu
Dumb biatch should have shown some restraint. She needs to get fired.

:roll:

This is why parents should beat their kids.

+1

No, -1. Beating is not good, ever.

From a thread yesterday:
Roguestar "It was her LiveJournal; she made a post saying that if Bush won the election she'd kill him."
You: "I wrote the same thing on mine"

Beating is not good ever, but killing is appropriate? :roll:

Originally posted by: manowar821
Originally posted by: soulcougher73
Kid got what he deserved. What happened to respect for your elders. Such a lost concept now-a-days.

Maybe because it's an ass-backwards concept.

I really hope you aren't capable of reproducing. :(

You are an immature child. Some day you will grow up and remember all of the stupid things you've posted and realize how wrong you were. Until then we have the pleasure of putting up with this tripe. :(
 

KK

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Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: manowar821
Originally posted by: PrelateBishop
Originally posted by: KK
Originally posted by: Ktulu
Dumb biatch should have shown some restraint. She needs to get fired.

:roll:

This is why parents should beat their kids.

+1

No, -1. Beating is not good, ever.

From a thread yesterday:
Roguestar "It was her LiveJournal; she made a post saying that if Bush won the election she'd kill him."
You: "I wrote the same thing on mine"

Beating is not good ever, but killing is appropriate? :roll:

Originally posted by: manowar821
Originally posted by: soulcougher73
Kid got what he deserved. What happened to respect for your elders. Such a lost concept now-a-days.

Maybe because it's an ass-backwards concept.

I really hope you aren't capable of reproducing. :(

Well his parents were stupid enough to reproduce, I'm sure this tard will reproduce and pop out couple deliquents that'll spit in someones face too.
 

AgaBoogaBoo

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Originally posted by: waggy
Originally posted by: manowar821
Originally posted by: soulcougher73
Kid got what he deserved. What happened to respect for your elders. Such a lost concept now-a-days.

Maybe because it's an ass-backwards concept.

how is that?


actually its not even a matter or respect. its a matter of common courtesy. you do not spit on anyone.
Agreed.

I honestly think that even if you don't like an elder, you should show respect and keep your cool. Whatever they may have done, you should still show respect. Obviously, this excludes people at an extreme, but an assistant principal who was spat on is nowhere near that extreme.

Respecting elders is a concept that should stick around, but yes, you don't even need to go that far. You could simply stop at common courtesy - why can't the student treat the AP like a human being? If he didn't want to be slapped or spat back on, he shouldn't have done it in the first place. I'm amazed at how many people do something when they can't take it back at themselves.
 

glutenberg

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Originally posted by: mugs
I really hope you aren't capable of reproducing. :(

You are an immature child. Some day you will grow up and remember all of the stupid things you've posted and realize how wrong you were. Until then we have the pleasure of putting up with this tripe. :(

While respect for one's elders is a noble concept (and being from a very traditional Chinese family, that value is embodied in everything we do), it should not be used as a blanket statement for all actions. A child respects their elders generally because the child's elders tells them to respect those above them in merit, age, etc, however, this does not mean that one should respect that elder no matter what. If that elder, for example, abuses children physically or sexually, would you still want your child to respect that family member just becuase of their age?

There are multitudes of examples in Chinese culture where blind respect for elders has alienated children who are abused by those said elders. If the grandfather abuses a child and family members continue respecting him due to the meritocracy in the family unit, then the system has been broken and perverted. The idea will always stem from revering our elders for the good that they have done. The respect stems from their ability to create a coherent family unit. I suspect most people already agree and know this and I believe that's what manowar is hinting at but in a more inflammatory manner.
 

manowar821

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Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: manowar821
Originally posted by: PrelateBishop
Originally posted by: KK
Originally posted by: Ktulu
Dumb biatch should have shown some restraint. She needs to get fired.

:roll:

This is why parents should beat their kids.

+1

No, -1. Beating is not good, ever.

From a thread yesterday:
Roguestar "It was her LiveJournal; she made a post saying that if Bush won the election she'd kill him."
You: "I wrote the same thing on mine"

Beating is not good ever, but killing is appropriate? :roll:

Originally posted by: manowar821
Originally posted by: soulcougher73
Kid got what he deserved. What happened to respect for your elders. Such a lost concept now-a-days.

Maybe because it's an ass-backwards concept.

I really hope you aren't capable of reproducing. :(

You are an immature child. Some day you will grow up and remember all of the stupid things you've posted and realize how wrong you were. Until then we have the pleasure of putting up with this tripe. :(

Because bush and his admin are monsters...? :confused: He's not a child, he knows better to send thousands to their death for money, yet he still does it. He's a MONSTER. What the hell kind of respect do they deserve?

Also, I don't understand how you can think the concept of finding authority to be stupid and out-dated is immature. I actually find it to be more mature, you don't need to be a pvssy and let "authority figures" push you around.

As long as we're throwing around insults, I think you're a god damned tool, for simply following people that are in a position of "authority".

Same to you KK. I've never spat in a persons face before, thats gross, but you can keep telling yourself whatever you like.

AND as long as we're throwing out past posts...

"That's pretty neat. I'd rather a clean shot so the cat won't suffer, but sh1t happens."
~KK in response to killing a cat with an arrow for "trespassing".

You sound like a delightful human being.
 

AgaBoogaBoo

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Originally posted by: glutenberg
Originally posted by: mugs
I really hope you aren't capable of reproducing. :(

You are an immature child. Some day you will grow up and remember all of the stupid things you've posted and realize how wrong you were. Until then we have the pleasure of putting up with this tripe. :(

While respect for one's elders is a noble concept (and being from a very traditional Chinese family, that value is embodied in everything we do), it should not be used as a blanket statement for all actions. A child respects their elders generally because the child's elders tells them to respect those above them in merit, age, etc, however, this does not mean that one should respect that elder no matter what. If that elder, for example, abuses children physically or sexually, would you still want your child to respect that family member just becuase of their age?

There are multitudes of examples in Chinese culture where blind respect for elders has alienated children who are abused by those said elders. If the grandfather abuses a child and family members continue respecting him due to the meritocracy in the family unit, then the system has been broken and perverted. The idea will always stem from revering our elders for the good that they have done. The respect stems from their ability to create a coherent family unit. I suspect most people already agree and know this and I believe that's what manowar is hinting at but in a more inflammatory manner.
In my post above, I said you should exclude extreme cases. The point of respecting elders obviously isn't that if Hitler showed up at your door step, you'd be expected to sit him down for tea or to share a beer with him.

99.9% of these kids in school SHOULD respect the people working at the school, however they don't. Reasons like this are just ways for them to justify their actions, they don't really have anything on the adults like child abuse or physical/sexual abuse.
 

AgaBoogaBoo

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Originally posted by: Golgatha
All I have to say is that the purpose of the school is to prepare these kids for real life.

Life Lesson: If you spit in someone's face, expect to get bitch slapped (or worse in my case).
Unfortunately for many kids, it's just a daycare. The parents don't care about how their child does in school and neither do they. When the teachers and others involved try to do something, the parents hire a lawyer.
 

glutenberg

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Originally posted by: AgaBoogaBoo
In my post above, I said you should exclude extreme cases. The point of respecting elders obviously isn't that if Hitler showed up at your door step, you'd be expected to sit him down for tea or to share a beer with him.

99.9% of these kids in school SHOULD respect the people working at the school, however they don't. Reasons like this are just ways for them to justify their actions, they don't really have anything on the adults like child abuse or physical/sexual abuse.

I do love ATOT statistics. Sure it's not 99.8%? ;).

I agree with what you said. I'm not saying that respect for elders isn't a good thing but at the same time, it doesn't mean respect doesn't have to be earned. Civility and respect are different concepts. The student should've been civil with the AP even if she didn't respect the AP.
 

Linflas

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The middle school I work has a large number of ESOL kids. One thing that is interesting is that the ones that are new to the US are respectful to all the adults in the school much like kids in the US were 30 years ago. It is so noticeable that when teachers have to sit in and sub these kids for an hour they comment on how respectful they are. Sadly they seem to aquire the disrespect of the standard American brat as they assimilate into the wider culture.
 

exdeath

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Originally posted by: cobalt
Let's see what happens to the AP, that student deserved every bit but you know the sensationalist media will take this. What about our poor children? ...That parents fail to discipline.

Media: School official assaults child, WHO'S TO BLAME? Is it Bush? Is it global warming? Is it fast food? SUVs?
 

LordMaul

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Originally posted by: Ktulu
Originally posted by: blackllotus
Originally posted by: MichaelD
Originally posted by: Ktulu
Originally posted by: MichaelD
Originally posted by: Ktulu
Dumb biatch should have shown some restraint. She needs to get fired.

You're probably some snot-nosed little punk teenager, right? :roll: You think the world owes you something? Ah, no.

And if I should be WRONG (I doubt it) and you're actually an adult that pays his own way in this world; You were raised waaay wrong.

Ding Ding Ding

OK. You were raised WAY wrong. How can you POSSIBLY justify a kid spitting (SPITTING, not "back talking" or "cussing") in a teacher's face as "OK?" Are you that narrow minded? Do you see no value in actually ensuring the next generation has VALUES like respect for authority and those in positions of authority?

He didn't say the spitting was ok. He said slapping the student was wrong.

How can you possibly justify smacking a child that is not yours. It is the parents responsibility to raise and discipline the child not the schools.

So what if the kid gets sent to juvie? By your logic, no one there should have the right to do anything to the kid because they're not his parents. If it has reached that level, sounds to me like the parents have failed and as a result, someone else needed to step in before he ended up in FPMITA prison.
 

exdeath

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Originally posted by: Ktulu
Originally posted by: blackllotus
Originally posted by: MichaelD
Originally posted by: Ktulu
Originally posted by: MichaelD
Originally posted by: Ktulu
Dumb biatch should have shown some restraint. She needs to get fired.

You're probably some snot-nosed little punk teenager, right? :roll: You think the world owes you something? Ah, no.

And if I should be WRONG (I doubt it) and you're actually an adult that pays his own way in this world; You were raised waaay wrong.

Ding Ding Ding

OK. You were raised WAY wrong. How can you POSSIBLY justify a kid spitting (SPITTING, not "back talking" or "cussing") in a teacher's face as "OK?" Are you that narrow minded? Do you see no value in actually ensuring the next generation has VALUES like respect for authority and those in positions of authority?

He didn't say the spitting was ok. He said slapping the student was wrong.

How can you possibly justify smacking a child that is not yours. It is the parents responsibility to raise and discipline the child not the schools.

The same way I can justify putting a bullet in someone elses body other than my own when they threaten my life even though I don't have written permission to do so.

A person acting in such a way is explicitly implying consent to accept the consequences of said actions.
 

manowar821

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Originally posted by: exdeath
Originally posted by: cobalt
Let's see what happens to the AP, that student deserved every bit but you know the sensationalist media will take this. What about our poor children? ...That parents fail to discipline.

Media: School official assaults child, WHO'S TO BLAME? Is it Bush? Is it global warming? Is it fast food? SUVs?

Lmao, shut up exdeath. :laugh:
 

blakeatwork

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Originally posted by: MichaelD
Originally posted by: Ktulu
Dumb biatch should have shown some restraint. She needs to get fired.

You're probably some snot-nosed little punk teenager, right? :roll: You think the world owes you something? Ah, no.

And if I should be WRONG (I doubt it) and you're actually an adult that pays his own way in this world; You were raised waaay wrong.

Don't feed the troll..

noob... :p
 

xtknight

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Originally posted by: AgaBoogaBoo
In my post above, I said you should exclude extreme cases. The point of respecting elders obviously isn't that if Hitler showed up at your door step, you'd be expected to sit him down for tea or to share a beer with him.

:laugh:
 

NFS4

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Originally posted by: manowar821
What, you don't think that spitting in some peoples faces is a proper way to let them know they're douche bags? Sorry, but some people do deserve it, and before you defend the PA AGAIN, try waiting to see if you can get the whole story.

Spitting on someone is one of the most powerful forms of disrespect you can show towards someone.

I'm talking answering a cell phone during a funeral service kind of disrespect...

I seriously can't think of any possible justification for spitting on someone. I'd really like to know where you learned that from and if it's something you done in the past... and if so, why was it warranted?
 

Ruptga

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Originally posted by: MichaelD
Originally posted by: Ktulu
Dumb biatch should have shown some restraint. She needs to get fired.

You're probably some snot-nosed little punk teenager, right? :roll: You think the world owes you something? Ah, no.

And if I should be WRONG (I doubt it) and you're actually an adult that pays his own way in this world; You were raised waaay wrong.

Nah, he's just from California. Them dang west-coasters are sending this whole country to hell in a handbasket!




:p
 

exdeath

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Originally posted by: NFS4
Originally posted by: manowar821
What, you don't think that spitting in some peoples faces is a proper way to let them know they're douche bags? Sorry, but some people do deserve it, and before you defend the PA AGAIN, try waiting to see if you can get the whole story.

Spitting on someone is one of the most powerful forms of disrespect you can show towards someone.

I'm talking answering a cell phone during a funeral service kind of disrespect...

I seriously can't think of any possible justification for spitting on someone. I'd really like to know where you learned that from and if it's something you done in the past... and if so, why was it warranted?

It also constitutes physical contact, which to me, is the same as throwing a punch.