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MichaelD

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Originally posted by: waggy
Originally posted by: blackllotus
If the only reason your kid doesn't commit a crime is because he is scared of punishment then you really haven't taught him any values at all.

partly correct. but part of teaching a kid right from wrong is the fact that there is consequences (both positive and negative) for his actions.

And again! :D Read my last reply right above this one. You and I are on the exact same sheet of music.
 

waggy

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Originally posted by: miketheidiot
Originally posted by: waggy
Originally posted by: miketheidiot
Originally posted by: MichaelD
And by the way, Mr. "Adult Paying His Way." Do you have any kids? I have one. He's 11. He's had problems in school. But guess what? He NEVER has done anything like that. Know why? B/C he knows I would put my foot up his @SS. Literally.

Being a GOOD parent is a freakin' hard job. But I'll be damned if I let my offspring grow up to be anything but as good as how I was raised.

You obviously have no such standards.
my parents never laid a finger on me, and never would have, and I knew it and they knew it. I ws probably the best behaved kid ever too, unfortunately.

Whats going to happen to your kid once he doesn't have to fear you sticking a foot up his ass?


by then he is an adult and will know that when you do something like assault you have worse repreacutions then getting a ass kicking.

nah more liekly he'll just be a prick like the old man and beat his kids too. Just like his old man.
doubtfull.

IF i did wrong i got an ass whoopin. IF i did something good i got a reward.

was my dad a prick? nope. he was a hard working father who busted his ass to give me everything he could.

i do the same with my children. they misbahave to a point i think they need a smack i give it to them.

I have been told a few times by strangers that i have the best behaved 4 yr old around. is that because she is scared of getting her ass smacked? partly. but she knowes she acts good she gets a reward. she acts like a monster she gets punished.

its part of being a parent. to many are afriad to do what is needed.
 

crt1530

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If a teenager spit in my face, I'd have them on the ground with their arms behind their back and I'd sit on them until the cops came to arrest the kid for assault.
 

Ktulu

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Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: Ktulu
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: Ktulu
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: Ktulu
Originally posted by: blackllotus
Originally posted by: MichaelD
Originally posted by: Ktulu
Originally posted by: MichaelD
Originally posted by: Ktulu
Dumb biatch should have shown some restraint. She needs to get fired.

You're probably some snot-nosed little punk teenager, right? :roll: You think the world owes you something? Ah, no.

And if I should be WRONG (I doubt it) and you're actually an adult that pays his own way in this world; You were raised waaay wrong.

Ding Ding Ding

OK. You were raised WAY wrong. How can you POSSIBLY justify a kid spitting (SPITTING, not "back talking" or "cussing") in a teacher's face as "OK?" Are you that narrow minded? Do you see no value in actually ensuring the next generation has VALUES like respect for authority and those in positions of authority?

He didn't say the spitting was ok. He said slapping the student was wrong.

How can you possibly justify smacking a child that is not yours. It is the parents responsibility to raise and discipline the child not the schools.

If my child assaults someone I FULLY expect that someone to beat the snot out of my child.

And this "child" is a teen. Fully able to take the consequences for assaulting someone.

That's fine, but it doesn't mean they won't do it again.

Right. :roll: And does it mean if they touch a hot stove and get burned they won't ever touch the out stove again?

You bet it does.

Actions MUST have consequences. The more immediate the better.

The teen committed assault. At that moment he stopped being a "child" and became a violent criminal.

Just take a look at our prisons.

Yes, our prisons are filled with kids who could do no wrong in their parents eyes. Kids who needed discipline in school and saddled with teachers who were forbidden to do so.

In short, our prisons are filled with the product of your line of thinking.

I had many friends while growing up that got disciplined alot. Didn't stop them from doing drugs, joining gangs or going to jail. My parents never laid a hand on me and I grew up just fine. On the other hand, my dad beat the ****** out of my oldest brother and he's been to jail 3 times.
 

MichaelD

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Originally posted by: blackllotus
Originally posted by: MichaelD
There must be a reaction for his/her action. "Oooooh! I got told don't eat this cookie. But I ate it!!! And nobody said anything!!! So, know I'll eat all the cookies anyway!!!" <--That's your line of thinking.

My line of thinking would have been more along the lines of pulling the plug on the tv/computer for awhile but I guess thats the same as doing nothing in your book.

You're thinking correctly in terms of Progressive Discipline. You're right, and I've done the same thing. For things like talking back to the teacher, cheating on a test. Not doing his chores. Backtalking me. But spitting at the teacher? Hitting anotehr student in the head with a big book (Yeah, my kid did that :() For THAT, he gets his ass beat.

That's how they learn "The Scale Of Consequences And How I Should Act).
 

miketheidiot

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Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: Ktulu


Just take a look at our prisons.

Yes, our prisons are filled with kids who could do no wrong in their parents eyes. Kids who needed discipline in school and saddled with teachers who were forbidden to do so.

In short, our prisons are filled with the product of your line of thinking.

prisons are full of people who were taught that violence solves problems. If a parent only gives his children violence when they do something wrong, then all that child will know when something wrong is done to them is violence.
 

Ktulu

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Originally posted by: miketheidiot
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: Ktulu


Just take a look at our prisons.

Yes, our prisons are filled with kids who could do no wrong in their parents eyes. Kids who needed discipline in school and saddled with teachers who were forbidden to do so.

In short, our prisons are filled with the product of your line of thinking.

prisons are full of people who were taught that violence solves problems. If a parent only gives his children violence when they do something wrong, then all that child will know when something wrong is done to them is violence.

Don't bother, ATOT loves to beat children.
 

waggy

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Originally posted by: miketheidiot
Originally posted by: MichaelD
Originally posted by: blackllotus
If the only reason your kid doesn't commit a crime is because he is scared of punishment then you really haven't taught him any values at all.

Here's what you don't get.

1. Student gets taught something
2. Student ignores teaching and does "something bad"
3. Student GETS NO REPERCUSSION FOR DOING "SOMETHING BAD"
4. STUDENT HAS LEARNED NOTHING

There must be a reaction for his/her action. "Oooooh! I got told don't eat this cookie. But I ate it!!! And nobody said anything!!! So, know I'll eat all the cookies anyway!!!" <--That's your line of thinking.
there are other punishments than beating the piss out of someone.

for most things you are right.

i have a system of punishment.

1)i ask her to stop.
2) if she does not i i say something like "full name" stop it right NOW!
3) if that does not work i put her in timeout (usually the end of it) and no TV, NO gameboy, no outside play (that is what gets her heh)
4)if it continues a smack on the ass and put in bed.


depending on what it is i skip a few steps. such as when she ran out into the parking lot. i grabed her and smacked her ass. she knew i was mad and has not done it agian.

IF a child curses at a parent its a smack right off the bat. etc.

there have to be levels of punishment. BUT do not be afraid to smack them in the ass if they need it.


edit: also when she does something good i reward her. She kept her room clean for 2 weeks! so i got her a new game for her DS.

she went to (except when she was sick) school every day for the year. so i got her a small TV and DVD player for the room. She was not takeing care of the DVD's (made backups for her) so i took the TV out for a week.

 

Kwaipie

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If the AP had simply restrained the young child, there would be no story. Child is eliminated from the school district, parents have the opportunity to spend a year teaching the lad right from wrong.

Instead, the AP had to treat this young child as an adult and physically attack them. This is not 1955 anymore. It is never okay to strike a child in school. restrain, yes, strike, no.

As for the ATOTer that likes sticking his foot up the ass of children, man, I want to party with you.
 

miketheidiot

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Originally posted by: waggy
Originally posted by: miketheidiot
Originally posted by: MichaelD
Originally posted by: blackllotus
If the only reason your kid doesn't commit a crime is because he is scared of punishment then you really haven't taught him any values at all.

Here's what you don't get.

1. Student gets taught something
2. Student ignores teaching and does "something bad"
3. Student GETS NO REPERCUSSION FOR DOING "SOMETHING BAD"
4. STUDENT HAS LEARNED NOTHING

There must be a reaction for his/her action. "Oooooh! I got told don't eat this cookie. But I ate it!!! And nobody said anything!!! So, know I'll eat all the cookies anyway!!!" <--That's your line of thinking.
there are other punishments than beating the piss out of someone.

for most things you are right.

i have a system of punishment.

1)i ask her to stop.
2) if she does not i i say something like "full name" stop it right NOW!
3) if that does not work i put her in timeout (usually the end of it) and no TV, NO gameboy, no outside play (that is what gets her heh)
4)if it continues a smack on the ass and put in bed.


depending on what it is i skip a few steps. such as when she ran out into the parking lot. i grabed her and smacked her ass. she knew i was mad and has not done it agian.

IF a child curses at a parent its a smack right off the bat. etc.

there have to be levels of punishment. BUT do not be afraid to smack them in the ass if they need it.

There is a difference between that and MichaelD and others advocated kicking the crap out of kids.
 

glutenberg

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Originally posted by: Ktulu
Originally posted by: glutenberg
Originally posted by: Ktulu
Obviously everyone is an individual and has there own personality. No matter what I would teach my child, they still have the free will to express themselves as they wish.

So, by your own logic, his method of expressing himself achieved the appropriate result. Well, I wouldn't say 100% appropriate, since a 100% appropriate response would put some fear into this kid into the way he acted. A stern talk will not do that.

Neither will a slap to the face. If the child is violent they will act out no matter what.

The child needs to know that there are consequences to actions. A slap to the face, now, may seem like nothing because he was not disciplined when he was younger. But at the very minimum, a slap to the face lets the kid know that he does not have free reign on others; that his actions will have significant repercussions. If anything, his parents should be thankful to the AP as he may now think twice about spitting on others. What's he going to do when he spits on the wrong person and that person kills him instead of disciplines him?
 

MichaelD

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Originally posted by: miketheidiot
Originally posted by: waggy
Originally posted by: miketheidiot
Originally posted by: MichaelD
Originally posted by: blackllotus
If the only reason your kid doesn't commit a crime is because he is scared of punishment then you really haven't taught him any values at all.

Here's what you don't get.

1. Student gets taught something
2. Student ignores teaching and does "something bad"
3. Student GETS NO REPERCUSSION FOR DOING "SOMETHING BAD"
4. STUDENT HAS LEARNED NOTHING

There must be a reaction for his/her action. "Oooooh! I got told don't eat this cookie. But I ate it!!! And nobody said anything!!! So, know I'll eat all the cookies anyway!!!" <--That's your line of thinking.
there are other punishments than beating the piss out of someone.

for most things you are right.

i have a system of punishment.

1)i ask her to stop.
2) if she does not i i say something like "full name" stop it right NOW!
3) if that does not work i put her in timeout (usually the end of it) and no TV, NO gameboy, no outside play (that is what gets her heh)
4)if it continues a smack on the ass and put in bed.


depending on what it is i skip a few steps. such as when she ran out into the parking lot. i grabed her and smacked her ass. she knew i was mad and has not done it agian.

IF a child curses at a parent its a smack right off the bat. etc.

there have to be levels of punishment. BUT do not be afraid to smack them in the ass if they need it.

There is a difference between that and MichaelD and others advocated kicking the crap out of kids.


How is a slap equated to "Kicking the crap out of kids?" You obviously never got your ass beat by your father when you were a kid. A slap leaves a red mark on your face (at least a good one does!). Kicking the crap out of you leaves bruises all over your body. Do you understand the difference?
 

mugs

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She shouldn't have hit the kid. She deserves to be fired, although I wouldn't mind seeing her keep her job.

Kid's suspension should be looooong. Or he should be expelled.
 

crt1530

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Originally posted by: miketheidiot
Originally posted by: waggy
Originally posted by: miketheidiot
Originally posted by: MichaelD
Originally posted by: blackllotus
If the only reason your kid doesn't commit a crime is because he is scared of punishment then you really haven't taught him any values at all.

Here's what you don't get.

1. Student gets taught something
2. Student ignores teaching and does "something bad"
3. Student GETS NO REPERCUSSION FOR DOING "SOMETHING BAD"
4. STUDENT HAS LEARNED NOTHING

There must be a reaction for his/her action. "Oooooh! I got told don't eat this cookie. But I ate it!!! And nobody said anything!!! So, know I'll eat all the cookies anyway!!!" <--That's your line of thinking.
there are other punishments than beating the piss out of someone.

for most things you are right.

i have a system of punishment.

1)i ask her to stop.
2) if she does not i i say something like "full name" stop it right NOW!
3) if that does not work i put her in timeout (usually the end of it) and no TV, NO gameboy, no outside play (that is what gets her heh)
4)if it continues a smack on the ass and put in bed.


depending on what it is i skip a few steps. such as when she ran out into the parking lot. i grabed her and smacked her ass. she knew i was mad and has not done it agian.

IF a child curses at a parent its a smack right off the bat. etc.

there have to be levels of punishment. BUT do not be afraid to smack them in the ass if they need it.

There is a difference between that and MichaelD and others advocated kicking the crap out of kids.
What I said above about physically restraining a teen that spit in my face and calling the cops only pertains to somebody else's child. If it was MY child, the events would play out much differently.
 

NFS4

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An assistant principal at Randolph Middle School was suspended with pay Tuesday after slapping a student who spat in her face, according to an e-mail from Charlotte-Mecklenburg Schools. The e-mail said the student had threatened the assistant principal and became physically aggressive. Administrators called Charlotte-Mecklenburg police to restrain the student, who was disciplined according to the district's code of conduct. The assistant principal, who was not identified, called employee relations after the incident and will remain suspended until the end of a CMS investigation.The e-mail is a daily summary of significant student safety incidents sent by CMS staff to school board members. -- Cleve R. Wootson Jr.
http://www.charlotte.com/local/story/140333.html
 

Excelsior

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Originally posted by: MichaelD
I long for the day when our school system returns to it's roots. Teachers are the boss, period.

Modern day parents need to get a clue.

If your little Princess or Prince got bitch-slapped, there's probably a damn good reason. We're talking about discipline, not abuse.

Teachers have (or SHOULD have...thanks, Liberals) the right to maintain good order and discipline in THEIR classroom without fear of losing their tenure/career/getting blacklisted.

They went to school and got the degree. They choose to make this their career...to teach your little shii2tz how to read and write. You should stand behind them, for cryin' out loud.

:thumbsup:

This is so ridiculous. You can hear the bloody idiots screaming "Won't someone think of the children! This is an outrage!". That little fvcker deserved every bit of that slap and more for spitting on a teacher. Jesus, I'd expect a full on beating for some bullsh!t like that.

What ever happened to kids being at least somewhat responsible for their actions? All I hear about is what will happen to the AP who slapped the kid. Instead it should be how the kid will be punished. The AP should keep her job no doubt, no punishment. This all getting out of hand.
 

lupi

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Originally posted by: Ktulu
Originally posted by: KK
Originally posted by: Ktulu
Dumb biatch should have shown some restraint. She needs to get fired.

:roll:

This is why parents should beat their kids.

Yeah, the parents, not some retarded assistant principal.

I hope in the near future you get to spend some time in the pokey with a roomate named Little Pete.

 

NFS4

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Hell, we got spanked in grade school when we did stuff bad... WITH A PADDLE. And this was just 20 years ago.

The Pussification of American continues :D
 

silverpig

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Originally posted by: waggy
Originally posted by: Citrix
kid: expelled forever

teacher: suspended with pay for 2 months.

that is what i would hand down if i was on the school board.

yeap. kid should be expelled and teacher suspended.

though to be fair i have no problem with her getting fired. but the little ****** deserved it.

I'd go easier on the principal. Expel the kid, and maybe 2-4 weeks with pay for the principal. It's enough to send the message that it wasn't right, but also to say that it's not that big of a deal.
 

b0mbrman

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Originally posted by: mugs
She shouldn't have hit the kid. She deserves to be fired, although I wouldn't mind seeing her keep her job.

Kid's suspension should be looooong. Or he should be expelled.

Yeah, this is one of those situations where if I were her boss, I'd smile and perhaps clap a little bit...then take her to a back office and tell her that I didn't that I'd have to do it, but that I'd have to let her go...
 

Excelsior

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Originally posted by: mugs
She shouldn't have hit the kid. She deserves to be fired, although I wouldn't mind seeing her keep her job.

Kid's suspension should be looooong. Or he should be expelled.

And that is supposed to be punishment for a little sh!t that almost certainly hates school?

 

xtknight

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Originally posted by: Ktulu
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: Ktulu
Originally posted by: Looney
I would have punched the kid in the throat.

And if I were that kids father, I would rip your throat out.

So you would hit someone for retaliating when your child commits assault on them?

Wow...

And in case you didn't know, legally spitting IS assault.

You're the type of person who would yell at the police, rather than your child when they bring him home and tell you about his breaking the law, aren't you?

So punching a child in the throat is ok?

Depends on how you want to teach your lesson. He went over the line, so he doesn't know what to expect. There are plenty of people who would have done something much worse to the kid, whether you want to believe it or not, it's true.

Especially if the little bastard spit in my face. Pretty much the most disrespectful thing to do to anyone. I would have rather he cussed me out 500 times.

That's not what I would have done though because I have lots of things against physical violence. I'd probably have just spat back in his face, it would be funnier, less physically damaging, and perhaps a better lesson than simply punching him.

Ever heard of the expression, "an eye for an eye" ?

Originally posted by: waggy
nope. in some case's its even worse.

I would rather get slaped in the face then spit in the face.

Very true, because spit can transmit disease. Slapping you in the face does nothing but teach you a lesson.

It's unfortunate that there are some kids that simply can't understand values without being punished for violating them. But the only solution is to discipline them until they do respect those values.
 

w3stfa11

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Originally posted by: NFS4
Hell, we got spanked in grade school when we did stuff bad... WITH A PADDLE. And this was just 20 years ago.

The Pussification of American continues :D

Do you think teens should be spanked with a paddle today?
 

NFS4

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Originally posted by: w3stfa11
Originally posted by: NFS4
Hell, we got spanked in grade school when we did stuff bad... WITH A PADDLE. And this was just 20 years ago.

The Pussification of American continues :D

Do you think teens should be spanked with a paddle today?

I think parents should do their job and discipline their children when they are YOUNG so they don't grow up to be ignorant little $h!t$
 
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The assistant principal probably shouldn't have slapped the kid, but come on. The kid was totally asking to get beat; he's lucky he only got slapped. It's not like anyone has ever been injured by a slap. If the AP had cold-cocked the kid and knocked him out, I can see getting upset. As it stands, it will teach the student a valuable lesson; don't spit in someone's face unless you're prepared to defend yourself (imagine if this kid had done this to someone outside of school; he'd get his ass kicked).