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Canai

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I made a CS map back in the day of my school haha.

after reading the article, FVCK idiot school administrations.
 

OVerLoRDI

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That is such crap. CS map? big deal. The kid was also a fool to let it be traced back to him though.
 

0roo0roo

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Originally posted by: BigJelly
Originally posted by: MikeyLSU
To everyone saying he should have known better, all I can say is how?

I'm 25, so I'm already done with HS and college. Even today, I would not have thought twice about making a map of my school/office/neighborhood. How was he supposed to know this is an evil thing to do? Because a small vocal segment of society thinks it is?

After columbine, I think it's called COMMON SENSE.


right..you mean like how after 9/11 we shouldn't play counterstrike?:p
 

Gooberlx2

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Originally posted by: MikeyLSU
also, you realize kids can do drugs, drink alcohol...etc... without getting expelled from school. All of those things are ILLEGAL, this kid does nothing against any law, nothing against any school rule and gets kicked out. Great teaching ethics...Do drugs all you want, but don't you dare be creative in a video game.

:thumbsup: Good point.
 

BlancoNino

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I drew a picture of my elementary school when I was little. I was lucky not to get expelled.
 

BigJelly

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Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
Originally posted by: BigJelly
Originally posted by: MikeyLSU
To everyone saying he should have known better, all I can say is how?

I'm 25, so I'm already done with HS and college. Even today, I would not have thought twice about making a map of my school/office/neighborhood. How was he supposed to know this is an evil thing to do? Because a small vocal segment of society thinks it is?

After columbine, I think it's called COMMON SENSE.


right..you mean like how after 9/11 we shouldn't play counterstrike?:p

WTF is with everyone, can you guys listen/read? I NEVER said video games lead to violence. I stated 5+ times that I played CS.

Making a map of your school that is in a FPS should be a ****** no no to anyone with half a brain.
 

Anubis

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Originally posted by: BigJelly
Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
Originally posted by: BigJelly
Originally posted by: MikeyLSU
To everyone saying he should have known better, all I can say is how?

I'm 25, so I'm already done with HS and college. Even today, I would not have thought twice about making a map of my school/office/neighborhood. How was he supposed to know this is an evil thing to do? Because a small vocal segment of society thinks it is?

After columbine, I think it's called COMMON SENSE.


right..you mean like how after 9/11 we shouldn't play counterstrike?:p

WTF is with everyone, can you guys listen/read? I NEVER said video games lead to violence. I stated 5+ times that I played CS.

Making a map of your school that is in a FPS should be a ****** no no to anyone with half a brain.

i have a full brain and i always thought it would have been cool to go paintballing in my school. or a mall, a mall would have been sweet actually, making a CS map really isnt that different and honertly no one shoudl ever be afarid of making something compleatly harmless in a video game,

and because i know this will piss you off, after columbine mosy of my friends and i discussed it and came to teh conclusion that with what weponry they had only killing 13 people was a pretty ****** outcome for them, we figured in our school with what they had killing over 50 would have been eaisily dooable in about 5 minutes
 

Auryg

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Originally posted by: Anubis
Originally posted by: BigJelly
Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
Originally posted by: BigJelly
Originally posted by: MikeyLSU
To everyone saying he should have known better, all I can say is how?

I'm 25, so I'm already done with HS and college. Even today, I would not have thought twice about making a map of my school/office/neighborhood. How was he supposed to know this is an evil thing to do? Because a small vocal segment of society thinks it is?

After columbine, I think it's called COMMON SENSE.


right..you mean like how after 9/11 we shouldn't play counterstrike?:p

WTF is with everyone, can you guys listen/read? I NEVER said video games lead to violence. I stated 5+ times that I played CS.

Making a map of your school that is in a FPS should be a ****** no no to anyone with half a brain.

i have a full brain and i always thought it would have been cool to go paintballing in my school. or a mall, a mall would have been sweet actually, making a CS map really isnt that different and honertly no one shoudl ever be afarid of making something compleatly harmless in a video game,

and because i know this will piss you off, after columbine mosy of my friends and i discussed it and came to teh conclusion that with what weponry they had only killing 13 people was a pretty ****** outcome for them, we figured in our school with what they had killing over 50 would have been eaisily dooable in about 5 minutes

Actually, I've heard that sort of discussion from many people at my school- all of them sane. Is it wrong to think about a shooting at your school? Heck no. Fantasize about it? Sure.

If this guy made a mod where he stuck in models of his teachers and classmates, and set them up in the map, I'd say that would be cause for serious psychological evalutation, and keeping him from the school. This? All he was doing was trying to make a familiar place in a videogame. A place that he spends 7 hours a day in..makes sense to me.
 

BigJelly

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Originally posted by: Anubis
Originally posted by: BigJelly
Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
Originally posted by: BigJelly
Originally posted by: MikeyLSU
To everyone saying he should have known better, all I can say is how?

I'm 25, so I'm already done with HS and college. Even today, I would not have thought twice about making a map of my school/office/neighborhood. How was he supposed to know this is an evil thing to do? Because a small vocal segment of society thinks it is?

After columbine, I think it's called COMMON SENSE.


right..you mean like how after 9/11 we shouldn't play counterstrike?:p

WTF is with everyone, can you guys listen/read? I NEVER said video games lead to violence. I stated 5+ times that I played CS.

Making a map of your school that is in a FPS should be a ****** no no to anyone with half a brain.

i have a full brain and i always thought it would have been cool to go paintballing in my school. or a mall, a mall would have been sweet actually, making a CS map really isnt that different and honertly no one shoudl ever be afarid of making something compleatly harmless in a video game,

and because i know this will piss you off, after columbine mosy of my friends and i discussed it and came to teh conclusion that with what weponry they had only killing 13 people was a pretty ****** outcome for them, we figured in our school with what they had killing over 50 would have been eaisily dooable in about 5 minutes

Making a mall map would be fine. My friends and I also paintball and often commented how much fun malls would be. Likewise I never understood why the columbine shooters only killed 13; luckily they were not smart enough to plain like the VT student.

But after columbine and other school shootings it should be common sense to...
1. Not make a list of people you don't like (even if NO intentions).
2. Not make any plan or type of plan for a school shooting (even if NO intentions).

And the student's map goes to #2.

Yes you can say they over reacted. But over reacting on kids safety in SCHOOLS is much better then under-reacting.

So let me say this one last time: MAKING A FPS MAP OF YOUR SCHOOL CAN NOT BE TOLERATED BECAUSE OF PREVIOUS SCHOOL SHOOTINGS.
 

wazzledoozle

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Originally posted by: BigJelly
Originally posted by: Anubis
Originally posted by: BigJelly
Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
Originally posted by: BigJelly
Originally posted by: MikeyLSU
To everyone saying he should have known better, all I can say is how?

I'm 25, so I'm already done with HS and college. Even today, I would not have thought twice about making a map of my school/office/neighborhood. How was he supposed to know this is an evil thing to do? Because a small vocal segment of society thinks it is?

After columbine, I think it's called COMMON SENSE.


right..you mean like how after 9/11 we shouldn't play counterstrike?:p

WTF is with everyone, can you guys listen/read? I NEVER said video games lead to violence. I stated 5+ times that I played CS.

Making a map of your school that is in a FPS should be a ****** no no to anyone with half a brain.

i have a full brain and i always thought it would have been cool to go paintballing in my school. or a mall, a mall would have been sweet actually, making a CS map really isnt that different and honertly no one shoudl ever be afarid of making something compleatly harmless in a video game,

and because i know this will piss you off, after columbine mosy of my friends and i discussed it and came to teh conclusion that with what weponry they had only killing 13 people was a pretty ****** outcome for them, we figured in our school with what they had killing over 50 would have been eaisily dooable in about 5 minutes

Making a mall map would be fine. My friends and I also paintball and often commented how much fun malls would be. Likewise I never understood why the columbine shooters only killed 13; luckily they were not smart enough to plain like the VT student.

But after columbine and other school shootings it should be common sense to...
1. Not make a list of people you don't like (even if NO intentions).
2. Not make any plan or type of plan for a school shooting (even if NO intentions).

And the student's map goes to #2.

Yes you can say they over reacted. But over reacting on kids safety in SCHOOLS is much better then under-reacting.

So let me say this one last time: MAKING A FPS MAP OF YOUR SCHOOL CAN NOT BE TOLERATED BECAUSE OF PREVIOUS SCHOOL SHOOTINGS.

You're a short-sighted idiot; what other sorts of behaviors should we start stereotyping and using as false prejudice to arrest people?

How about people who paintball? Obviously since some school shooters have shown interest in guns and gun-pseudo sports, all highschool students who play paintball should be arrested!

Think of the children!

P.S. The map of columbine supposedly made by the shooters to practice on is an urban legend. One of the shooters did create a doom map, but it had nothing to do with their school.
 

Gunslinger08

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I tried to make a map of my school in Doom, back in the day. I gave up after about 5 minutes.. too lazy.
 

fierydemise

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I started working on a map of my school too, I got some funny looks as I walked around school with a tape measure and camera taking pictures of blank walls but it was fun.
 

Gunslinger08

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Originally posted by: BigJelly
Originally posted by: Anubis
Originally posted by: BigJelly
Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
Originally posted by: BigJelly
Originally posted by: MikeyLSU
To everyone saying he should have known better, all I can say is how?

I'm 25, so I'm already done with HS and college. Even today, I would not have thought twice about making a map of my school/office/neighborhood. How was he supposed to know this is an evil thing to do? Because a small vocal segment of society thinks it is?

After columbine, I think it's called COMMON SENSE.


right..you mean like how after 9/11 we shouldn't play counterstrike?:p

WTF is with everyone, can you guys listen/read? I NEVER said video games lead to violence. I stated 5+ times that I played CS.

Making a map of your school that is in a FPS should be a ****** no no to anyone with half a brain.

i have a full brain and i always thought it would have been cool to go paintballing in my school. or a mall, a mall would have been sweet actually, making a CS map really isnt that different and honertly no one shoudl ever be afarid of making something compleatly harmless in a video game,

and because i know this will piss you off, after columbine mosy of my friends and i discussed it and came to teh conclusion that with what weponry they had only killing 13 people was a pretty ****** outcome for them, we figured in our school with what they had killing over 50 would have been eaisily dooable in about 5 minutes

Making a mall map would be fine. My friends and I also paintball and often commented how much fun malls would be. Likewise I never understood why the columbine shooters only killed 13; luckily they were not smart enough to plain like the VT student.

But after columbine and other school shootings it should be common sense to...
1. Not make a list of people you don't like (even if NO intentions).
2. Not make any plan or type of plan for a school shooting (even if NO intentions).

And the student's map goes to #2.

Yes you can say they over reacted. But over reacting on kids safety in SCHOOLS is much better then under-reacting.

So let me say this one last time: MAKING A FPS MAP OF YOUR SCHOOL CAN NOT BE TOLERATED BECAUSE OF PREVIOUS SCHOOL SHOOTINGS.

Can we also not draw cars because people have intentionally used them as weapons? Can we talk about weapons in our Social Studies classes? They're dangerous and they hurt people. Let's just pad all of the classrooms and make our kids wear diapers until they're 18.
 

MikeyLSU

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the point is, if you think it is ok to overreact for everything...where do you stop.

If this is ok, then certainly it is ok to kick all kids who have ever handled a gun(air gun and bb guns included)...I'm sure that would get rid of all killers, and it is better to overreact than underreact.

While we are at it, there seems to be a direct coorilation that every killer was a loner or some sort, so lets kick them all out of school too. Who cares if they didn't break any rules, we now have precedent to do this without any rules broken.

It has to stop somewhere, and since they set this precedent where they kicked the kid out of school without breaking 1 rule, why stop there? We can make everything safer if we take away more rights.
 

Fayd

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do the morons answering it was justified even believe CS resembles a school shooting?

where's the group of people lining up to be executed?

all i see here is intention to play an fps game in a familiar, predictable environment.
 

apac

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Originally posted by: MikeyLSU
the point is, if you think it is ok to overreact for everything...where do you stop.

If this is ok, then certainly it is ok to kick all kids who have ever handled a gun(air gun and bb guns included)...I'm sure that would get rid of all killers, and it is better to overreact than underreact.

While we are at it, there seems to be a direct coorilation that every killer was a loner or some sort, so lets kick them all out of school too. Who cares if they didn't break any rules, we now have precedent to do this without any rules broken.

It has to stop somewhere, and since they set this precedent where they kicked the kid out of school without breaking 1 rule, why stop there? We can make everything safer if we take away more rights.

Reminds me of Minority Report.
 

glutenberg

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Originally posted by: BigJelly
Making a mall map would be fine. My friends and I also paintball and often commented how much fun malls would be. Likewise I never understood why the columbine shooters only killed 13; luckily they were not smart enough to plain like the VT student.

But after columbine and other school shootings it should be common sense to...
1. Not make a list of people you don't like (even if NO intentions).
2. Not make any plan or type of plan for a school shooting (even if NO intentions).

And the student's map goes to #2.

Yes you can say they over reacted. But over reacting on kids safety in SCHOOLS is much better then under-reacting.

So let me say this one last time: MAKING A FPS MAP OF YOUR SCHOOL CAN NOT BE TOLERATED BECAUSE OF PREVIOUS SCHOOL SHOOTINGS.

Why is making a mall map any different than making a school map? It would seem that malls have quite a few younger people so the idea that they shouldn't have a school map because of the safety of children is diminished. So, now your only argument is that school shootings have made it inappropriate to have school maps. There have been plenty of large scale mall shootings recently. One right before VA Tech and one right after, both of which were posted on ATOT.

The only reason you're so up in arms about this is because of the mass amount of media attention the VA Tech shooting received. Columbine was the not the first of school shootings and VA Tech will not be the last. I'd like to hope that there will never be another shooting of innocents but expelling a kid for making a counterstrike map of his school is not going to prevent anything. In fact, it may very well do the opposite of hindering future shootings but instead inspire some twisted young mind that they're being more oppressed and that they need to lash out against society. The kid was not a recluse, he had no leanings to violence outside of playing video games, he was an honor student at the school, and the only negative attribute people could think of was that he was slightly quiet (which generally goes with the territory of being Asian).

This particular case is borderline profiling. If they were so serious about preventing school shootings because of the dangers of playing violent games (notice I'm not saying that you agree that violent games cause violence) why didn't they expel the kids who were also playing on the map? Why only the mapmaker but not the other map users? Common sense would say that the kid did nothing wrong not that he should've known better. Irrational emotions, however, will prove that people expect the kid to have known better and since he went ahead with his mapmaking, he must be plotting...with his hammer.
 

MikeyLSU

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Originally posted by: glutenberg
Originally posted by: BigJelly
Making a mall map would be fine. My friends and I also paintball and often commented how much fun malls would be. Likewise I never understood why the columbine shooters only killed 13; luckily they were not smart enough to plain like the VT student.

But after columbine and other school shootings it should be common sense to...
1. Not make a list of people you don't like (even if NO intentions).
2. Not make any plan or type of plan for a school shooting (even if NO intentions).

And the student's map goes to #2.

Yes you can say they over reacted. But over reacting on kids safety in SCHOOLS is much better then under-reacting.

So let me say this one last time: MAKING A FPS MAP OF YOUR SCHOOL CAN NOT BE TOLERATED BECAUSE OF PREVIOUS SCHOOL SHOOTINGS.

Why is making a mall map any different than making a school map? It would seem that malls have quite a few younger people so the idea that they shouldn't have a school map because of the safety of children is diminished. So, now your only argument is that school shootings have made it inappropriate to have school maps. There have been plenty of large scale mall shootings recently. One right before VA Tech and one right after, both of which were posted on ATOT.

The only reason you're so up in arms about this is because of the mass amount of media attention the VA Tech shooting received. Columbine was the not the first of school shootings and VA Tech will not be the last. I'd like to hope that there will never be another shooting of innocents but expelling a kid for making a counterstrike map of his school is not going to prevent anything. In fact, it may very well do the opposite of hindering future shootings but instead inspire some twisted young mind that they're being more oppressed and that they need to lash out against society. The kid was not a recluse, he had no leanings to violence outside of playing video games, he was an honor student at the school, and the only negative attribute people could think of was that he was slightly quiet (which generally goes with the territory of being Asian).

This particular case is borderline profiling. If they were so serious about preventing school shootings because of the dangers of playing violent games (notice I'm not saying that you agree that violent games cause violence) why didn't they expel the kids who were also playing on the map? Why only the mapmaker but not the other map users? Common sense would say that the kid did nothing wrong not that he should've known better. Irrational emotions, however, will prove that people expect the kid to have known better and since he went ahead with his mapmaking, he must be plotting...with his hammer.

Good point, what if he just made a model of the school on his computer, but not for any video game? Should he be expelled? If not, why not
 

alkemyst

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Originally posted by: Fenixgoon
Originally posted by: Vinfinite
thats total BS, but if the school learned of this and did nothing, and weeks later the kid pulls a School shooting, they'd be screwed.

lose lose situation

qft

I think Benjamin Franklin said something about this...however; fear guides most and them being better than anyone else more.
 

alkemyst

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Originally posted by: BigJelly

Making a mall map would be fine. My friends and I also paintball and often commented how much fun malls would be. Likewise I never understood why the columbine shooters only killed 13; luckily they were not smart enough to plain like the VT student.

But after columbine and other school shootings it should be common sense to...
1. Not make a list of people you don't like (even if NO intentions).
2. Not make any plan or type of plan for a school shooting (even if NO intentions).

And the student's map goes to #2.

Yes you can say they over reacted. But over reacting on kids safety in SCHOOLS is much better then under-reacting.

So let me say this one last time: MAKING A FPS MAP OF YOUR SCHOOL CAN NOT BE TOLERATED BECAUSE OF PREVIOUS SCHOOL SHOOTINGS.

Are you ducknutz/Wnugdauq reborn?
 
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SlitheryDee

Ridiculous, but every one loves a good old fashioned witch trial. Which is what this made me think of above all else.

The kid displayed two of the traits that another witch displayed, that being an introverted personality and the fact that he was asian. Need I mention that these two traits are displayed by lots of "normal" people? This reminds me of how, in medieval times, witches were thought to be made of wood because they burned easily and floated in water. Somehow it never occurred to these folks that EVERYONE burns easily and floats in water? Round it all out with how he dabbled in the arcane arts of "shoot-to-kill game" map making. Something that someone without any gaming experience couldn't understand and in many cases would be likely to attribute irrational importance to. Much like the irrational fear people felt for those who mixed up strange herbal concoctions and talked to trees (well maybe that's not so irrational :p).
 

glutenberg

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Originally posted by: SlitheryDee
Ridiculous, but every one loves a good old fashioned witch trial. Which is what this made me think of above all else.

The kid displayed two of the traits that another witch displayed, that being an introverted personality and the fact that he was asian. Need I mention that these two traits are displayed by lots of "normal" people? This reminds me of how, in medieval times, witches were thought to be made of wood because they burned easily and floated in water. Somehow it never occurred to these folks that EVERYONE burns easily and floats in water? Round it all out with how he dabbled in the arcane arts of "shoot-to-kill game" map making. Something that someone without any gaming experience couldn't understand and in many cases would be likely to attribute irrational importance to. Much like the irrational fear people felt for those who mixed up strange herbal concoctions and talked to trees (well maybe that's not so irrational :p).

That witch be a duck.
 

pontifex

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Originally posted by: BigJelly
Expelled? Yes

In this day in age, you just can't do that sort of thing. How stupid is the kid?

I'm sure the kid would never do something to his school, but we CAN'T take that chance.

The same people that say the school overreacted would cry foul if the kid did shoot-up the school and the school didnt do anything after finding out about his cs map.

Stupid, stupid kid.

so do you think anyone who plays a violent video game like an FPS should be checked into? hell, some of those games allow you to play as a TERROTIST! zomg! lock them up stat!

how about watching a violent movie? plenty of movies with terrorists in them. oh noe, can't watch that documentary about the middle east, you must be sympathetic to their cause!

crap, can't read a book about terrorists or even involves them. same as a movie, can't read about the middle east, you terrorist.

sorry, but where does it end? by that logic, probably 90% or more of the entire world should be checked out or whatever.