Stuck in an unpleasant situation: what should i do?

d1abolic

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Well, my parents decided to have another kid after 19 years, so i now have a little brother. That's really great. But the bad news is that it's his Christening is this Sunday.

Now, i'm an agnostic, so i sort of see the whole process as an insult to my intelligence. My mother's parents, who live with us, feel the same way. We were never a religious family, and i don't even think my parents believe. Well, maybe my dad does. But my parents want us all to be there anyway. And my grandparents already agreed to come. In their own words, "better safe than sorry." Well, that might be wise of them and all, but i'm not going to throw my beliefs (or the lack of them) away just because my parents and their friends expect me to be there.

Not only do i not want to go anywhere near a chirch, but i'm almost certain that nothing good will come out of it if i did. I can only imagine the reaction of all my parents' friends when i refuse to take part in their prayers, or whatever it is that they're planning to do there. I could go and just stand there, but like i said, i don't think that would go well at all.

And besides, i really hate a lot of the people who will be there. My parents' old friends from Ukraine all hate my guts because i refuse to speak to them in Ukrainan and use Russian instead. My mother's parents come from Russia, and i was raised as a Russian. And up until the Soviet Union collapsed, i hardly ever heard a Ukrainian word out of anyone of their friends. Now, all of a sudden, they are all flaming patriots who love their language, culture and homeland. Please. If they love it so much, why did they abandon it? Why didn't they stay there and do everything in their power to make it a better place to live? The entire patriotism act is completely pathetic and see-through. Ukraine is nothing but a hellhole filled with corrupt government officials and an economy that's about as efficient as a secretary after a 6-pack of Budweiser, and they know it just as well as i do.

Some other pleasant people who will be present there are my father's sister, who robbed him of 50 large ones. But he's inviting her because his mother wants her there. My dad should have some balls and give her the finger for what she did to him. And while he's at it, he should give one to his mother too if she doesn't think that what her daughter did was wrong. To give you an example of what a loving grandmother she is, she once called us, after not seeing me for over 6 months, and when i picked up the phone, just asked to speak to my dad without even asking me how i've been.

Well anyway, that pretty much sums it up. I know the smart thing to do would probably be to just go there. But i don't think i'm the kind of person who does smart things in such situations :D Anyone else think i should say no and do something else this Sunday?
 

rgwalt

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Well, the age of your brother means that you are over 18. Do you still live with your family? If so, I would tell you to go. If not (and if you are no longer dependant on them) then you are free to do whatever you please.

Ryan
 

broon

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About the church thing:
If your best friend was getting married in a church and wanted you to be in it, would you?

About the family thing:
Everyone has one of those kinds of relatives. Not much you can do about that but maybe ignore them.

My suggestion:
If you want to be there out of respect for your brother, you should go. Bow your head during the prayer out of respect for your brother. You don't have to participate in the prayer and probably won't have to say anything. Ignore the family members you don't like. Just because you are agnostic (which really means you believe there is a god, you just don't practice a religion) doesn't mean you can't go into a church.


An athiest doesn't believe there is a god.
 

tcsenter

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Would you go to your brother's wedding if it was held in a church or if their vows were made 'before God'? This isn't about you and your beliefs, its about your brother's Christening. I doubt they're going to require anything of you other than be there, I don't see them tackling you to the ground and making you profess obedience to the Lord or something.
 

Que-TiP

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I am starting to think all Russian families are like this. Mine is the same way. I say you go, stick it out, then leave. Really just to make your parents happy.

p.s. Don't speak Ukrainian.

p.s.s. If you haven't had the chance to go back and check things out in Russia you should give it a thought. I have been in Moscow for 6 months for work, and I am going to be really sad to leave.
 

Kadarin

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There appear to be two separate issues: The conflict in religious beliefs, and the internal family issues. I'm an athiest/agnostic myself, but I still go to churches to attend weddings, etc. To me that's not a big deal, but you will not catch me praying, getting on my knees, or performing any other religious ritual.

The family issues are more serious; you need to do what you feel is right. I don't think we can answer that for you.
 

Dhawk

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You sound a little bitter there.

Just something to think about. Even though you do not believe in the ceremony (I don't either), even though you do not care for some of your relatives(understandably), the reason for going should not have anything to do with either. The reason for going should be because of the love of those you do care about (F - the rest). What would it do to the long term relationship with you and your parents if you did not go. Sometimes in life, I have found that it was more important to put my personal feelings aside and bear thru something unpleasant for the greater good of my loved ones.

Good Luck
 

d1abolic

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If you want to be there out of respect for your brother, you should go.
My brother has yet to earn my respect :D
Just because you are agnostic (which really means you believe there is a god, you just don't practice a religion) doesn't mean you can't go into a church.
From a dictionary: Agnostic - one who believes that it is impossible to know whether there is a God.
What would it do to the long term relationship with you and your parents if you did not go.
I don't think they would really take this very seriously. I told them that i might not be going and my mother just said something like "Hmm, whatever."
 

broon

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Sounds like you've made up your mind. If you aren't worried about it doing anything negative to your relationships with "important" family members, then don't go.
 

rubix

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ask them if they'll go to the satanic baptism when you have your son and draw up an agreement and sign in it blood and you'll all be on your merry ways.
 

Skyclad1uhm1

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Originally posted by: rubix
ask them if they'll go to the satanic baptism when you have your son and draw up an agreement and sign in it blood and you'll all be on your merry ways.
Was the rock heavy? Go crawl back under it etc.
Edit: P.S. Agnosticism != Satanism you moron. But then, you probably wouldn't understand the difference between God and Satan to begin with.

Anyway, I am an agnost too and don't see any reason why you shouldn't go. If you became an agnost it means your parents didn't force religion on you that much, but let you choose for yourself. I was baptised as kid and went to church, but my parents encouraged reading and thinking for myself, and let me made my own choices and decisions regarding religion. It's not like they are letting your brother make a choice right now, I'd say go and just be quiet during the prayers.

Concerning your family: A difficult situation. Have you talked to your parents about it? About why you don't like the idea of a family meeting there? Just cause part of the family and 'friends' are invited doesn't mean you have to actually talk to them. But do talk to your parents first.
 

MikeO

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But the bad news is that it's his Christening is this Sunday.

Sorry to hear that :(

But out of respect for your brother and family (the ones you like), I'd say you should go.
 

jjones

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If you want to be there out of respect for your brother, you should go.
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My brother has yet to earn my respect
I saw the grin in your post but somehow, I don't think you're kidding because if you had any respect you wouldn't even have posted this "dilemma". Go, or don't go; it's up to you, but your choice will pretty much sum up your character.
 

Yo Ma Ma

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There isn't a dilemma here, the proper thing to do would be to attend. It honors your immediate family and shows respect.

If you're just looking to make a social statement on how you think you've got it all figured out & are way ahead of them but at the same time don't want to appear an ass, then you *might* have a dilemma :)

BTW, not too many people are overly crazy about all the extended family (uncles, aunts, cousins, etc.), get used to it.
 

OutHouse

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It is for your brother and a family event, I think you should go. We all have to do things that we dont want to do, its part of being an adult.
 

StageLeft

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Remember just because you might go to humor them doesn't mean you should feel slighted because just realize you're doing it for them and it still means nothing to you. I went to church a couple christmases ago. I drank some vodka before hand and beer to alleviate the utter boredom. The whole time there I was bored sh*tless but I only went to humor my parents.
 

Jzero

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Now, i'm an agnostic, so i sort of see the whole process as an insult to my intelligence.
Why? It's not like you don't believe in God. If you're an agnostic, then by default you acknowledge that God COULD exist, and that you would believe it if only you had some hard evidence.
So why this intellectual superiority complex? No one expects you to give a sermon. Show up and stand there. It takes like an hour of your time.

but i'm not going to throw my beliefs (or the lack of them) away just because my parents and their friends expect me to be there.
Again, this makes no sense. You don't have to believe to show up to the baptism and no one is asking you to. If you went to an AA meeting, would that mean you have to become an alcoholic?
And further, since you acknowledge the possibility of this God being real, you REALLY aren't throwing your beliefs away.

Not only do i not want to go anywhere near a chirch, but i'm almost certain that nothing good will come out of it if i did. I can only imagine the reaction of all my parents' friends when i refuse to take part in their prayers, or whatever it is that they're planning to do there. I could go and just stand there, but like i said, i don't think that would go well at all.
YOu don't have to sing. Just lower your head during the prayers. You can probably get away without kneeling, too. Very few will notice at all.

My parents' old friends from Ukraine all hate my guts because i refuse to speak to them in Ukrainan and use Russian instead.
If you can speak Ukranian, would it kill you to talk to them in Ukrainian? Maybe they actually feel they can show respect for their home country now that it's not part of the Soviet Union? Who are you to question their motives, anyway?
This line says it all:
Ukraine is nothing but a hellhole filled with corrupt government officials and an economy that's about as efficient as a secretary after a 6-pack of Budweiser, and they know it just as well as i do.
You've got something against Ukraine so you transfer that to your parent's Ukrainian friends. That seems rather petty, don't you think?

Some other pleasant people who will be present there are my father's sister, who robbed him of 50 large ones. But he's inviting her because his mother wants her there. My dad should have some balls and give her the finger for what she did to him. And while he's at it, he should give one to his mother too if she doesn't think that what her daughter did was wrong.
Maybe your father has enough respect for his mother to honor her wishes.
Maybe your grandmother doesn't want her children to go to their graves regretful of fighting over something stupid like money.
To give you an example of what a loving grandmother she is, she once called us, after not seeing me for over 6 months, and when i picked up the phone, just asked to speak to my dad without even asking me how i've been.
My grandmother does this all the time. I NEVER see her--she lives across the country. I pick up the phone "hello?" "Hi, is your dad there?"
What's the big deal? Must you take everything so personally?

Anyway in a nutshell, it's this:
My brother has yet to earn my respect :)
Lucky for him considering he's unborn, but it sounds like everyone else in your family also has yet to earn your respect.