Strike! Strike! Strike! Fast food workers again demand $15/hr

[brandonb]

Has raising the minimum wage ever removed poverty in the past?

If it did, we wouldn't be talking about raising it again, would we?

So when are we going to stop the madness?

 

[sportage]

So if the headlines read "fast food pays workers $7 an hour and tax payers make up the other 5 billion difference", would THAT make people feel better?

So you might instead pay $2 for that currently priced $1 hamburger.
Just how much do you think you're actually paying for that $1 hamburger when the worker is making $7 an hour?
Try $10 per hamburger after you figure in the taxes and national debt for tax payer funded social assistance programs that low waged workers (slaves) qualify for.

I find it amazing and so very typical meat headed right wing republican red neck ignorants can not put 2 and 2 together and come up with 4.

If a fast food worker makes $15 hr, they don't qualify for food stamps or public assistance or welfare or hundreds of other public assistance programs that cost mr and mrs tax payer KA-billions AND... is the #1 reason the national debt is in the trillions.

Once again republicans... 2 + 2 = 4.
Make note of it. Or use your fingers.

 

[WackyDan]

I think you missed the larger point. If the minimum wage were to jump up to $15- everyone currently making $15 is now going to be making minimum wage. Those people won't automatically get a raise to the same level above minimum that they were previously making.

Jacking around a dollar figure without increasing spending power to go with it, doesn't really do any good. It's the kind of thing economically illiterate countries do- and eventually you can wallpaper your hut with the worthless currency.

Personally I'm not opposed to a reasonable increase in the minimum wage- but people demanding it to be doubled and claiming there would be no economic consequence to that, are just full of shit. It most definitely would ripple through the economy in all sorts of negative ways, the most obvious being all the new minimum or barely above minimum wage earners you'd create in all those previously making the new amount. With a minor increase that effect won't be that dramatic- doubling the minimum and it'd be very dramatic.

yup... Your EMT that arrives in the ambulance is making perhaps $15 per hour. They went through training, and have ongoing training in order to work in that profession. Many do it on top of another job because $15 isn't enough to sustain an EMT.

Raising the min wage arbitrarily to $15 an hour is a big Fuck You to those that actually worked hard to get to that wage level to begin with.

 

[glenn1]

Guess who is going to be paying for these issues? YOU ARE! You're going to see it in increased taxes. You might even get a gun put to your skull. No jobs= A higher rate of crime.

Maybe $15 is extreme. We should search for solutions. Instead, you guys are laughing at the thought that technology will one day replace these so-called ungrateful workers.

For every successful revolution there are hundreds where the peasants are simply slaughtered en masse. And if they kill some urban liberals so what? Not like the riots are going to occur in the suburbs.

 

[brandonb]

Once again republicans... 2 + 2 = 4.
Make note of it. Or use your fingers.

So what you are trying to say is that everybody who uses government assistance has a full time job at $7.25 an hour? So, giving them more will get them off the assistance, and will solve all of our problems?

Once again liberals... 2 + 2 = 4.
Make note of it. Or use your fingers.

HINT: Most government assistance goes to people who have no job period and probably never had one in their lifetime. So raising the minimum wage is not going to fix a damn thing.

Also, see the post before yours.

 

[WackyDan]

they get replaced by illegals, end game.

The McDonald's and other assorted franchises near me are already fully staffed by illegals. Raising their wages to $15 an hour has no net impact on welfare as their anchor baby kids will continue to get welfare benefits paid directly to the illegal immigrant parent now making $15 per hour as they are listed as "guardian".

 

[nehalem256]

Raising the min wage arbitrarily to $15 an hour is a big Fuck You to those that actually worked hard to get to that wage level to begin with.

Fuck people that work hard and make good life choices. Liberalism in a nutshell.

 

[Orignal Earl]

Sounds like someone supports child labor

In Bob's case I do, Bob figured out that his kids where living the same childhood he went through
So he tried to kick them out and go do kid things. After a lot of wackiness they all figured out the family business thing worked best for them
I can see Gene running the place the same way in 15 years

 

[stag3]

Why shouldn't we raise the minimum wage? A higher increase means people will spend more, and this is great for our economy.

Instead, we have a few people on the top who are getting extremely wealthy off the backs of the poor and middle class.

but as wages go up, prices go up as well so it's a wash for those working fast food.
and just a straight up increase for those of us who don't

 

[Mai72]

The McDonald's and other assorted franchises near me are already fully staffed by illegals. Raising their wages to $15 an hour has no net impact on welfare as their anchor baby kids will continue to get welfare benefits paid directly to the illegal immigrant parent now making $15 per hour as they are listed as "guardian".

The McDonalds near me is staffed mostly with Thai/Romanian college students. I have never noticed American college students.

 

[TechBoyJK]

They said 150 US cities and this is even taking place in other countries. I say, good for them. They are exercising their rights to strike and protest. OP is just trying to minimize this and make these folks seem like some obscure incident, which it is not. This is going to get more intense, mark my words. People are getting fed up with being paid next to nothing and being worked extremely hard.

If I get fed up for being paid next to nothing and being worked extremely hard, I look for another job. I don't try and push my employer into paying me more than the job is worth.

 

[TechBoyJK]

I should have said "we need unskilled jobs that pay a decent wage."

It depends where you live. Try living in NYC on $15 an hour.

$15 x 40 hours= $600 minus deductions and you might take home $520 a week.

$520 x 52 weeks in a year= a little over $27,000

That's not a lot of money especially when you have a family to support.

You are right. We do need unskilled jobs that pay a decent wage.

But FORCING it is going to do more harm than good. We need to work the economy correctly and push it towards a state that supports higher paid unskilled jobs on its own merit. That should be the goal. Forcing it is going to kick the economy in the nuts.

 

[TechBoyJK]

So if the headlines read "fast food pays workers $7 an hour and tax payers make up the other 5 billion difference", would THAT make people feel better?

So you might instead pay $2 for that currently priced $1 hamburger.
Just how much do you think you're actually paying for that $1 hamburger when the worker is making $7 an hour?
Try $10 per hamburger after you figure in the taxes and national debt for tax payer funded social assistance programs that low waged workers (slaves) qualify for.

I find it amazing and so very typical meat headed right wing republican red neck ignorants can not put 2 and 2 together and come up with 4.

If a fast food worker makes $15 hr, they don't qualify for food stamps or public assistance or welfare or hundreds of other public assistance programs that cost mr and mrs tax payer KA-billions AND... is the #1 reason the national debt is in the trillions.

Once again republicans... 2 + 2 = 4.
Make note of it. Or use your fingers.

Forcing a minimum wage won't help the economy. It's going to hurt it. We need to coach the economy to a state where it naturally supports paying these jobs a higher wage.

 

[Orignal Earl]

The McDonalds near me is staffed mostly with Thai/Romanian college students. I have never noticed American college students.

The McD's near me is staffed mostly with temp workers from the Philippines mostly I'd say.
The rest is mostly from other countries.
I do believe starting wage is 15.00ish at most fast food joints for anyone

The business seems to keep running along just fine

 

[theeedude]

Has raising the minimum wage ever removed poverty in the past?

If it did, we wouldn't be talking about raising it again, would we?

So when are we going to stop the madness?

You never heard of inflation?

 

[BoberFett]

I suppose if I only had a couple of seconds for lunch I might grab something from the burger machine
But if I had a half hour or so, I'd head to Bob's Burgers
That's a quality burger put together with love and care at a price I can afford
He's got those adorable kids working for him too so make sure and lay a huge tip on them

He uses unpaid child labor.

 

[BoberFett]

So if the headlines read "fast food pays workers $7 an hour and tax payers make up the other 5 billion difference", would THAT make people feel better?

So you might instead pay $2 for that currently priced $1 hamburger.
Just how much do you think you're actually paying for that $1 hamburger when the worker is making $7 an hour?
Try $10 per hamburger after you figure in the taxes and national debt for tax payer funded social assistance programs that low waged workers (slaves) qualify for.

I find it amazing and so very typical meat headed right wing republican red neck ignorants can not put 2 and 2 together and come up with 4.

If a fast food worker makes $15 hr, they don't qualify for food stamps or public assistance or welfare or hundreds of other public assistance programs that cost mr and mrs tax payer KA-billions AND... is the #1 reason the national debt is in the trillions.

Once again republicans... 2 + 2 = 4.
Make note of it. Or use your fingers.

So a $1 hamburger actually costs $10 because of social programs to make up for the difference between $7 and $15?

Are you saying $15/hr - $7/hr = $9/hamburger?

And you say Republicans have trouble with math...

LOL, Democrats!

 

[Orignal Earl]

He uses unpaid child labor.

You say it's child labor, we say tomato
Everything is done according to the law

G'dam hippies

 

[Sonikku]

If only there was a way of tracking the annual deterioration of a dollars value from one year to the next so we could like, tie the minimum wage to this figure. And no one earning minimum wage would get rich off this small annual adjustment that takes the devaluation figure of the dollar into account, but it would stop their wage at least from falling further and further behind in the face of increasingly higher vendor prices one year after the next. And with it being a small annual adjustment it would cease to be a jarring 5 year whopper debate that has businesses scared shitless.

Oh if only there were such a figure. Until such a day that there is however, I'm afraid minimum wagers will just have to find a way to continually absorb the loss of higher food and housing and gas prices on a cumulatively annual basis.

 

[brandonb]

You never heard of inflation?

Yeah. What happens when you start paying your employees more money? (Nearly double). Companies increase their prices to maintain an operating margin to stay in business. What do you call it when you have to pay more money for the exact same thing? Inflation.

So tell me wiseguy. Is increasing minimum wage going to cause inflation or not? What is the source of all this inflation we have? 2+2 equals what again? sportage? halp?

 

[realibrad]

Yeah. What happens when you start paying your employees more money? (Nearly double). Companies increase their prices to maintain an operating margin to stay in business. What do you call it when you have to pay more money for the exact same thing? Inflation.

So tell me wiseguy. Is increasing minimum wage going to cause inflation or not? What is the source of all this inflation we have? 2+2 equals what again? sportage? halp?

Stop it. Inflation is not caused by paying people more. Inflation is caused by printing money faster than the value it holds.

You cannot cause inflation by raising or lowering prices or wages. Its not real, its never been real, it will never be real.

Google Milton Friedman inflation. Inflation has 1 cause, printing money.

 

[Hugo Drax]

The issue is overall wages for everyone has not kept up with the cost of living in this country since the 1970s.

So these people are exercising their rights to protest and demand better wages. But overall wages for the Middle and lower classes have been depressed due to the majority of the economic output of this country only enriching a small subset of the population.

 

[brandonb]

Google Milton Friedman inflation. Inflation has 1 cause, printing money.

Thanks. I'm watching youtube videos on him speaking.

 

[Zaap]

If only there was a way of tracking the annual deterioration of a dollars value from one year to the next so we could like, tie the minimum wage to this figure. And no one earning minimum wage would get rich off this small annual adjustment that takes the devaluation figure of the dollar into account, but it would stop their wage at least from falling further and further behind in the face of increasingly higher vendor prices one year after the next. And with it being a small annual adjustment it would cease to be a jarring 5 year whopper debate that has businesses scared shitless.

Oh if only there were such a figure. Until such a day that there is however, I'm afraid minimum wagers will just have to find a way to continually absorb the loss of higher food and housing and gas prices on a cumulatively annual basis.

If only there was a free market deciding what things are worth (labor included), based on their actual value, skill level required, supply/demand, etc. rather than dicking around with numbers that aren't actually tied to anything but feel-good political horseshit. If only...

 

[realibrad]

If only there was a free market deciding what things are worth (labor included), based on their actual value, skill level required, supply/demand, etc. rather than dicking around with numbers that aren't actually tied to anything but feel-good political horseshit. If only...

Stop dreaming!

Now, excuse me while I go to the "Market" to get some bread.

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