Strike one for the good guys.

[fisheerman]

Link

The law abiding citizen protects himself, friends and girlfriend from two thug intruders set to rob, rape and kill them.

Great example of how guns are used "everyday" for personal protection.

Isn't going to get a lot of airplay because it doesn't fit the gun grabbing agenda that is currently in motion.

 

[halik]

One female student was shot several times during the crossfire. She is expected to make a full recovery.

Need moar range practice.

 

[dphantom]

Need OP commentary or it will be locked.

 

[miketheidiot]

what a strange set of circumstances

 

[Pepsei]

needs more practice... but good show....

 

[Thump553]

Yesterday a Wesylan junior got gunned down by another student in a bookstore. That tragedy is far more common.

 

[Schadenfroh]

Originally posted by: halik
One female student was shot several times during the crossfire. She is expected to make a full recovery.

Need moar range practice.

The article did not specify if it was the student or the home invaders returning fire (or both) that hit her.

Home invasions are nasty, he could have saved their lives should the suspects have executed them all after getting them to drain their bank accounts from the ATM or worse....

 

[soccerballtux]

Originally posted by: Thump553
Yesterday a Wesylan junior got gunned down by another student in a bookstore. That tragedy is far more common.

No it's not.

3 days ago 3 people were robbed at gunpoint on my campus. Why? Because they knew none of us had guns.
This happens about once every 2 months. If they knew we had guns they wouldn't think twice about it, especially if people with concealed carry were carrying them on them in their hand at 11pm at night so that the criminals could see them.

 

[soccerballtux]

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh

Originally posted by: halik
One female student was shot several times during the crossfire. She is expected to make a full recovery.

Need moar range practice.

The article did not specify if it was the student or the home invaders returning fire (or both) that hit her.

Home invasions are nasty, he could have saved their lives should the suspects have executed them all after getting them to drain their bank accounts from the ATM or worse....

Yes but the gun-taking left will use that as justification for taking guns anyways. As opposed to, you know, blaming the criminal-- wouldn't have happened in the first place if he hadn't tried to break in. But no, it's not his fault, lets take away the rights of the law abiding citizens instead...

Need the death penalty more often, too; and a painful, grotesque one so people don't want to do crimes. Any idea how many murders or theivings there are in China? They are very liberal with the death penalty, and as a result there are very few crimes. (In before someone makes a bad argument like "China only allows you to have one child, too")

 

[fisheerman]

updated commentary from yours truly

 

[MotF Bane]

Originally posted by: Thump553
Yesterday a Wesylan junior got gunned down by another student in a bookstore. That tragedy is far more common.

That is the news that is reported far more often, and that is the information that is reported to police far more often.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: fisheerman
Link

The law abiding citizen protects himself, friends and girlfriend from two thug intruders set to rob, rape and kill them.

Great example of how guns are used "everyday" for personal protection.

Isn't going to get a lot of airplay because it doesn't fit the gun grabbing agenda that is currently in motion.

:roll:

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: Thump553
Yesterday a Wesylan junior got gunned down by another student in a bookstore. That tragedy is far more common.

Not really, though the FBI and DoJ dont keep very good records of crime prevented by guns. It is estimated nearly 2 million acts a year are stopped due to the victims owning a gun. Compared to the 17,000 or so deaths from guns we have a year and it isnt close.

 

[eleison]

Was this on campus? If so the student could be put in jail... Because as you know students and firearms don't mix.. at least that's what all the gun grabbers want us to believe.

 

[mugs]

The best part is that the accomplice could probably be charged with murder.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: mugs
The best part is that the accomplice could probably be charged with murder.

You're right. He can. Bravo for the guy saving all those lives.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Thump553
Yesterday a Wesylan junior got gunned down by another student in a bookstore. That tragedy is far more common.

Not really, though the FBI and DoJ dont keep very good records of crime prevented by guns. It is estimated nearly 2 million acts a year are stopped due to the victims owning a gun. Compared to the 17,000 or so deaths from guns we have a year and it isnt close.

Who does this estimating and is there a source? It would be a very good argument for the Second Amendment if this were true.

 

[PrinceofWands]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Thump553
Yesterday a Wesylan junior got gunned down by another student in a bookstore. That tragedy is far more common.

Not really, though the FBI and DoJ dont keep very good records of crime prevented by guns. It is estimated nearly 2 million acts a year are stopped due to the victims owning a gun. Compared to the 17,000 or so deaths from guns we have a year and it isnt close.

Who does this estimating and is there a source? It would be a very good argument for the Second Amendment if this were true.

It 'may' be true...at least to some degree.

The lowest accepted defensive gun use estimates are around 300,000 per year, the highest is slightly over 2.5 million per year. Various surveys have been used for these studies, backed by whatever available hard data was there. There are various issues with the methodology behind the surveys. None are cause for total disqualification, but all are suspect for one reason or another. There's just no way to pin it down between those two points unfortunately, since so much happens that goes unreported, or is misrepresented.

Fortunately we don't really have to know the exact numbers. There are about 1.3 million successful violent crimes per year. Even if the number of defensive gun uses is on the lowest end, it's still roughly 1 in 4 violent crimes that someone defends themselves with a firearm. Even at that level, a firearm is used in defense 10 times as often as it is used to kill an innocent (through accident, suicide, or homicide which count 30,000 per year combined). That means that if a genie made all firearms inoperable tomorrow, some part of 30,000 people would live each year (since some will still find a way to wind up dead), and some part of ten times that many will suddenly be victimized by violent crime.

It's an absolute no-brainer. The negatives they cause are minimal, the benefits are fairly significant, there's non way to enact meaningful change anyway, and when all else is in doubt it's better to err on the side of individual liberty.

 

[MotF Bane]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Thump553
Yesterday a Wesylan junior got gunned down by another student in a bookstore. That tragedy is far more common.

Not really, though the FBI and DoJ dont keep very good records of crime prevented by guns. It is estimated nearly 2 million acts a year are stopped due to the victims owning a gun. Compared to the 17,000 or so deaths from guns we have a year and it isnt close.

Not so much because of the FBI and DoJ not keeping records as the incidents go unreported.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Thump553
Yesterday a Wesylan junior got gunned down by another student in a bookstore. That tragedy is far more common.

Not really, though the FBI and DoJ dont keep very good records of crime prevented by guns. It is estimated nearly 2 million acts a year are stopped due to the victims owning a gun. Compared to the 17,000 or so deaths from guns we have a year and it isnt close.

Who does this estimating and is there a source? It would be a very good argument for the Second Amendment if this were true.

It 'may' be true...at least to some degree.

The lowest accepted defensive gun use estimates are around 300,000 per year, the highest is slightly over 2.5 million per year. Various surveys have been used for these studies, backed by whatever available hard data was there. There are various issues with the methodology behind the surveys. None are cause for total disqualification, but all are suspect for one reason or another. There's just no way to pin it down between those two points unfortunately, since so much happens that goes unreported, or is misrepresented.

Fortunately we don't really have to know the exact numbers. There are about 1.3 million successful violent crimes per year. Even if the number of defensive gun uses is on the lowest end, it's still roughly 1 in 4 violent crimes that someone defends themselves with a firearm. Even at that level, a firearm is used in defense 10 times as often as it is used to kill an innocent (through accident, suicide, or homicide which count 30,000 per year combined). That means that if a genie made all firearms inoperable tomorrow, some part of 30,000 people would live each year (since some will still find a way to wind up dead), and some part of ten times that many will suddenly be victimized by violent crime.

It's an absolute no-brainer. The negatives they cause are minimal, the benefits are fairly significant, there's non way to enact meaningful change anyway, and when all else is in doubt it's better to err on the side of individual liberty.

So there's no documented source, got it.

 

[PrinceofWands]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Thump553
Yesterday a Wesylan junior got gunned down by another student in a bookstore. That tragedy is far more common.

Not really, though the FBI and DoJ dont keep very good records of crime prevented by guns. It is estimated nearly 2 million acts a year are stopped due to the victims owning a gun. Compared to the 17,000 or so deaths from guns we have a year and it isnt close.

Who does this estimating and is there a source? It would be a very good argument for the Second Amendment if this were true.

It 'may' be true...at least to some degree.

The lowest accepted defensive gun use estimates are around 300,000 per year, the highest is slightly over 2.5 million per year. Various surveys have been used for these studies, backed by whatever available hard data was there. There are various issues with the methodology behind the surveys. None are cause for total disqualification, but all are suspect for one reason or another. There's just no way to pin it down between those two points unfortunately, since so much happens that goes unreported, or is misrepresented.

Fortunately we don't really have to know the exact numbers. There are about 1.3 million successful violent crimes per year. Even if the number of defensive gun uses is on the lowest end, it's still roughly 1 in 4 violent crimes that someone defends themselves with a firearm. Even at that level, a firearm is used in defense 10 times as often as it is used to kill an innocent (through accident, suicide, or homicide which count 30,000 per year combined). That means that if a genie made all firearms inoperable tomorrow, some part of 30,000 people would live each year (since some will still find a way to wind up dead), and some part of ten times that many will suddenly be victimized by violent crime.

It's an absolute no-brainer. The negatives they cause are minimal, the benefits are fairly significant, there's non way to enact meaningful change anyway, and when all else is in doubt it's better to err on the side of individual liberty.

So there's no documented source, got it.

No, there are several. You can google NCVS, Kleck, Lott, BJS, DMIa, DMIb, Time/CNN, Mauser, Gallup, and a bunch of others. Just look for 'defensive gun use' and any of those researching agencies. You'll save yourself time if you go to the national academy of sciences and just read their report. They studied all available sources regarding gun use and gun control. It was the largest review of this material by far. It was also conducted at the request of anti-gunners, funded by anti-gunners, and committeed by anti-gunners, but still could not spin it anti-gun.

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: soccerballtux

Originally posted by: Thump553
Yesterday a Wesylan junior got gunned down by another student in a bookstore. That tragedy is far more common.

No it's not.

3 days ago 3 people were robbed at gunpoint on my campus. Why? Because they knew none of us had guns.
This happens about once every 2 months. If they knew we had guns they wouldn't think twice about it, especially if people with concealed carry were carrying them on them in their hand at 11pm at night so that the criminals could see them.

 

[ebaycj]

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: soccerballtux

Originally posted by: Thump553
Yesterday a Wesylan junior got gunned down by another student in a bookstore. That tragedy is far more common.

No it's not.

3 days ago 3 people were robbed at gunpoint on my campus. Why? Because they knew none of us had guns.
This happens about once every 2 months. If they knew we had guns they wouldn't think twice about it, especially if people with concealed carry were carrying them on them in their hand at 11pm at night so that the criminals could see them.

I believe "concealed" carry is more restrictive than "unconcealed" carry. Hence, people with CCW would probably be allowed to also carry unconcealed. Not the best idea IMHO, but who am I to judge?

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: ebaycj

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: soccerballtux

Originally posted by: Thump553
Yesterday a Wesylan junior got gunned down by another student in a bookstore. That tragedy is far more common.

No it's not.

3 days ago 3 people were robbed at gunpoint on my campus. Why? Because they knew none of us had guns.
This happens about once every 2 months. If they knew we had guns they wouldn't think twice about it, especially if people with concealed carry were carrying them on them in their hand at 11pm at night so that the criminals could see them.

I believe "concealed" carry is more restrictive than "unconcealed" carry. Hence, people with CCW would probably be allowed to also carry unconcealed. Not the best idea IMHO, but who am I to judge?

That's really not the case in a lot of places. And in a lot of places, carrying a handgun around in your hand is a good way to get killed, arrested or WORSE.

 

[NeoV]

Prince of Wands - excellent post -thank you for not going 'GenX' on us and only quoting the 'high end' of the estimated defensive gun uses figures. I've done extensive reading on many of the studies and I have to agree with the methodology and results that are at the low end of those estimates, around 300,000 'defensive' gun uses per year. As you said, even at that number, as in cases like the events linked by the op, having a gun can be a real life-saver.