Stranger and stranger...the ongoing testimony of Richard Clarke..

[heartsurgeon]

This guy has some serious problems with telling the truth....

for all of you who worship him (i.e., Bush-Haters)...try and figure this out..

Clarke claims responsibility

on the evacuation of 140 Saudi nationals (Bin Laden family members) immediately after 9/11 Clarke states:

In an interview with The Hill yesterday, Clarke said, ?I take responsibility for it. I don?t think it was a mistake, and I?d do it again.?...?It didn?t get any higher than me,? he said. ?On 9-11, 9-12 and 9-13, many things didn?t get any higher than me. I decided it in consultation with the FBI.?

This new account of the events seemed to contradict Clarke?s sworn testimony before the Sept. 11 commission at the end of March about who approved the flights.

?The request came to me, and I refused to approve it,? Clarke testified. ?I suggested that it be routed to the FBI and that the FBI look at the names of the individuals who were going to be on the passenger manifest and that they approve it or not. I spoke with the ? at the time ? No. 2 person in the FBI, Dale Watson, and asked him to deal with this issue. The FBI then approved ? the flight.?

But then there is this problem:

However, the FBI has denied approving the flight... FBI spokeswoman Donna Spiser said, ?We haven?t had anything to do with arranging and clearing the flights.?

gee...i want a liberal Bush-Hater to explain to me how this doesn't prove Clarke is a bald-faced liar...

 

[arsbanned]

Huh. Who did he work for? Was it that Bush fella?

THE BUCK STOPS THERE.

 

[conjur]

<sigh>

Nothing to see here folks. Move along. Just more selective quoting.

Here's more of Clarke's testimony:

CLARKE: I believe, after the FBI came back and said it was all right with them, we ran it through the decision process for all of these decisions we were making in those hours, which was the Interagency Crisis Management Group on the video conference. I was making or coordinating a lot of decisions on 9/11 and the days immediately after. And I would love to be able to tell you who did it, who brought this proposal to me, but I don't know. Since you pressed me, the two possibilities that are most likely are either the Department of State, or the White House Chief of Staff's Office. But I don't know.

So, still, Clarke is not contradicting himself. The request 1st came to him. He rejected it and asked the FBI to review it. Once the FBI cleared those on the flights and that they were not wanted for questioning, the request came back to Clarke who put it thru the CSG decision-making process.

 

[DealMonkey]

Where's Cad bellowing about someone being taken out of context? Oh yeah, that's right . . .

:thumbsdown:

 

[Codec]

I thought only liberals misquoted, mischaracterized, and quoted out of context.

Which leaves one of two possibilities:

1. Conservatives misquote, mischaracterize, and quote out of context.
2. Heartsurgeon is a liberal.

So which is it?

 

[AcidicFury]

Originally posted by: Codec
I thought only liberals misquoted, mischaracterized, and quoted out of context.

Which leaves one of two possibilities:

1. Conservatives misquote, mischaracterize, and quote out of context.
2. Heartsurgeon is a liberal.

So which is it?

You make no sense. Learn to think before you post.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: conjur
<sigh>

Nothing to see here folks. Move along. Just more selective quoting.

Here's more of Clarke's testimony:

CLARKE: I believe, after the FBI came back and said it was all right with them, we ran it through the decision process for all of these decisions we were making in those hours, which was the Interagency Crisis Management Group on the video conference. I was making or coordinating a lot of decisions on 9/11 and the days immediately after. And I would love to be able to tell you who did it, who brought this proposal to me, but I don't know. Since you pressed me, the two possibilities that are most likely are either the Department of State, or the White House Chief of Staff's Office. But I don't know.

So, still, Clarke is not contradicting himself. The request 1st came to him. He rejected it and asked the FBI to review it. Once the FBI cleared those on the flights and that they were not wanted for questioning, the request came back to Clarke who put it thru the CSG decision-making process.

And your explaination of the FBI denial?

CkG

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: conjur
<sigh>

Nothing to see here folks. Move along. Just more selective quoting.

Here's more of Clarke's testimony:

CLARKE: I believe, after the FBI came back and said it was all right with them, we ran it through the decision process for all of these decisions we were making in those hours, which was the Interagency Crisis Management Group on the video conference. I was making or coordinating a lot of decisions on 9/11 and the days immediately after. And I would love to be able to tell you who did it, who brought this proposal to me, but I don't know. Since you pressed me, the two possibilities that are most likely are either the Department of State, or the White House Chief of Staff's Office. But I don't know.

So, still, Clarke is not contradicting himself. The request 1st came to him. He rejected it and asked the FBI to review it. Once the FBI cleared those on the flights and that they were not wanted for questioning, the request came back to Clarke who put it thru the CSG decision-making process.

And your explaination of the FBI denial?

CkG

Just typical political denial along the lines of "I never had sexual relations with that woman."

http://www.snopes.com/rumors/flight.htm

Did the FBI in fact question the Saudis before they left?

As noted above, the FBI had opportunity to question the departing Saudis, and contemporaneous news accounts indicate that at least some of them were indeed questioned. More recent articles offer conflicting statements from current and former FBI personnel:
Dale Watson, the FBI's former head of counter-terrorism, said that, while the bureau identified the Saudis who were on the plane, "they were not subject to serious interrogations."3

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: AcidicFury

Originally posted by: Codec
I thought only liberals misquoted, mischaracterized, and quoted out of context.

Which leaves one of two possibilities:

1. Conservatives misquote, mischaracterize, and quote out of context.
2. Heartsurgeon is a liberal.

So which is it?

You make no sense. Learn to think before you post.

I think he was being sarcastic

 

[Codec]

Originally posted by: AcidicFury

Originally posted by: Codec
I thought only liberals misquoted, mischaracterized, and quoted out of context.

Which leaves one of two possibilities:

1. Conservatives misquote, mischaracterize, and quote out of context.
2. Heartsurgeon is a liberal.

So which is it?

You make no sense. Learn to think before you post.

What part of this don't you understand?

 

[NeoV]

Heart, don't be a pansy, your response to more of your "selective" text garbage getting owned?

 

[NightCrawler]

Yawn.....I don't give a crap....what is the crime anyways here...some bin laden members decided not to stay in the country after 9/11.....

 

[Gaard]

?I take responsibility for it."

This man puts this admin to shame.

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

anyone that can take pride in this current administration has got serious issues. They stand for all that is wrong in this country.

 

[HeroOfPellinor]

Originally posted by: Sudheer Anne
anyone that can take pride in this current administration has got serious issues. They stand for all that is wrong in this country.

I agree. Rebounding economies, lower taxes, medicare reform, increased pollution controls, and killing terrorists is teh work of teh debil.

What have they done wrong? The Iraq war? At best, it's questionable but certainly can't be categorized as "wrong" except by the stupid or partisan.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: Sudheer Anne
anyone that can take pride in this current administration has got serious issues. They stand for all that is wrong in this country.

I agree. Rebounding economies

Bush is not responsible for the "rebounding" economy. The economy hasn't rebounded. It's plateaued, at best.

lower taxes

That have resulted in record-setting deficits as the economy hasn't recovered as well as predicted.

medicare reform

The one that cost about $200 billion more than was told to Congress and that extra cost was kept secret?

increased pollution controls

oh, like the 180-degree turn Bush took on CO2 emissions and how he's tried to weaken the Clean Air Act and the Clean Water Act?

What have they done wrong? The Iraq war? At best, it's questionable but certainly can't be categorized as "wrong" except by the stupid or partisan.

That's an ignorant statement. You are trying to greatly simplify the war on Iraq. The war is more than just the fall of Baghdad. It's more than capturing Saddam. The biggest part of this war is the aftermath; how are we going to instill security amongst the people and allow reconstruction to begin?