Strange. Found American Sweetgum gumballs wrapped in wax paper and jammed in AC drain

CZroe

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My mother had a central AC installed as part of one of those government energy programs a year or two ago. Something was wrong with the drainage and the contractors had to come back out. The boss-man found several things which were done completely wrong and believed he had it all fixed, but he didn't find this. Due to not using the AC in the winter, we didn't know that the problem continued.

The other day, my mother asked for my help getting some PVC fittings off a PVC pipe that was once the end-point for the whole setup. For some reason, she was replacing it with galvanized pipe until a plumber told her not to (wrong material). I got the fittings off and looked inside the pipe to see what looked like a cocoon or a blob of hot glue completely blocking it. My mother had already poked several holes in it with a wire or something and it was dark just beyond.

We got a metal rod slightly smaller than the PVC pipe's inner diameter and knocked the blockage out only to see five deliberately wrapped fibrous plant material packages pop out the other end. Looking at them half-rotted and totally wet, I first thought that they were marijuana buds that someone was smuggling in PVC and lost track of until it was sold and installed. After it dried, I saw that it was just the spiky gumballs from the American Sweetgum trees that are all around the yard. They had each been wrapped in wax paper and crammed into the pipe one at a time.

It seems that the down-hill neighbor doesn't want the AC draining into his yard. Years ago, they wouldn't let my mother dig a trench in her own driveway to keep it from turning into a swamp for a week after every rain. They obviously thought that this pipe carried something more than an AC drip. :rolleyes: The only reason it went that direction was because it was down-hill and it was still RIGHT NEXT to my mothers home and no where near the neighbor's.

I don't want to escalate this, but I'm still looking for something clever. Any suggestions?

I thought about placing them at the doorstep just so that he knows we know, but I figure that he doesn't care because he probably expected it to be found eventually. A potato wrapped in wax paper would look like a threat to vandalize his car, which is what it's meant to suggest, so that's out (don't want to escalate). Any good ideas?

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Sorry. It was dark when we took the pic (no flash).

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waggy

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You have NO real proof. i would however keep a eye on the pipe.
 

CZroe

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Maybe I should just mail them to him with a note about what he was messing with, how it is no threat to his property, and how it's costing the taxpayers money. I could say that I am not saying anything "this time" because I am giving him the benefit of the doubt that he will be understanding. He could just assume that I'm the contractor who found it when fixing it. He might be worried about the consequences of interfering with a government program if he thinks they are aware of what he is doing and that the consequences could be serious.
 

Squisher

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Setting up a camera to catch him in the act shouldn't set you back too much.

If it is possible the drain pipe could be buried in a french drain with the water emerging downstream via some river rock. This would really slow down someone trying to vandalize it.
 

Red Squirrel

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Isin't it more trouble to make it go up then through the wall and outside? Just let it go in a floor drain. The furnace probably already has a line for the condensate, just join it to that. That way you wont need a pump. All gravity.

Something like this:

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The pipe going up goes to the evap condensate. That particular pic is missing a P trap though...
 

Iron Woode

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how about just letting it go for now?

no need to escalate things. Just keep an eye on it and see if there are further problems.
 

CZroe

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I was there today. Why didn't you or Mom mention it to me?

It happened a few days before I posted that and I told you then. :colbert:

Isin't it more trouble to make it go up then through the wall and outside? Just let it go in a floor drain. The furnace probably already has a line for the condensate, just join it to that. That way you wont need a pump. All gravity.

Something like this:

Leaky%20furnace%20web.jpg


The pipe going up goes to the evap condensate. That particular pic is missing a P trap though...
This isn't a parking garage or an complex with a utility room. It's a trailer. Even if it weren't a trailer, few have room in their home for that. The vast majority of people have these things on their roof or outside their home on the ground, which is exactly where this central HVAC was placed, just like the gas tank for gas service (if you don't live *in the city*, most people get home gas delivered by truck instead of piped in)

how about just letting it go for now?

no need to escalate things. Just keep an eye on it and see if there are further problems.

Like I said, I don't want to escalate things. If he noticed that the pipe was replaced, which he should have because there's still a trench dug with an obvious metal pipe where the PVC once was, then he will likely do it again causing more trouble and expense. If I explain what it is, he might see that there is no threat and it was never worth the risk in the first place.
 

Colt45

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You can't run some thin copper tubing away from the dick neighbour huh?

Apart from that, I suppose I'd put some sort of.. visible anti tamper.. screen.. or something, so at least it is obvious when it's been fucked with again. Could just be kids, who knows.
 

NetGuySC

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Since he clogged up your a/c drain line (likely causing very costly damage to the flooring of the trailer); It is only fair that you break off toothpicks dipped in superglue, in the door locks of his house.
 

Red Squirrel

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It happened a few days before I posted that and I told you then. :colbert:


This isn't a parking garage or an complex with a utility room. It's a trailer. Even if it weren't a trailer, few have room in their home for that. The vast majority of people have these things on their roof or outside their home on the ground, which is exactly where this central HVAC was placed, just like the gas tank for gas service (if you don't live *in the city*, most people get home gas delivered by truck instead of piped in)

But the air handler/furnace part is inside somewhere no? The condensate comes out of the air handler, not the outside condenser unit (as odd as that sounds). Unless this is one of those combined units?
 

NetGuySC

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If it really is draining onto his property then do this.
At your trailer, at the point where the pipe drains, dog a one foot deep hole. Fill the hole with rocks. The drain line then empties into the rock bed and your neighbors yard stays dry.
 

CZroe

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You can't run some thin copper tubing away from the dick neighbour huh?

Apart from that, I suppose I'd put some sort of.. visible anti tamper.. screen.. or something, so at least it is obvious when it's been fucked with again. Could just be kids, who knows.

Up-hill? It's a drainage pipe. There is no pressure.

But the air handler/furnace part is inside somewhere no? The condensate comes out of the air handler, not the outside condenser unit (as odd as that sounds). Unless this is one of those combined units?

The thermostat is right next to the trailer's old gas furnace access panel (built into the wall) but I really don't know where they would put it. I assumed it was generated at the outside condenser based on my understanding of how AC works (pressurized air condenses vapor to liquid at a higher-temp dew point, removing water vapor and heat). I haven't actually looked at that part though.

If it really is draining onto his property then do this.
At your trailer, at the point where the pipe drains, dog a one foot deep hole. Fill the hole with rocks. The drain line then empties into the rock bed and your neighbors yard stays dry.

It isn't but that's exactly what we did to deal with rain water in the driveway when he balked several years ago. Now, this pipe runs through a ditch to a different part of our driveway, where we never had a problem with water pooling, and then the trench is buried in rocks
 
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bononos

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Install a bigger pipe that makes it quite impossible to clog up without being visibly altered??
 

herm0016

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The thermostat is right next to the trailer's old gas furnace access panel (built into the wall) but I really don't know where they would put it. I assumed it was generated at the outside condenser based on my understanding of how AC works (pressurized air condenses vapor to liquid at a higher-temp dew point, removing water vapor and heat). I haven't actually looked at that part though.

sorta...

there is freon in the tubing that runs from the evap to the condenser. this carries heat (energy) from the evap to the condenser. the evap unit is just a heat exchanger in the main heating unit and the condenser is the part outside where the energy gets transferred to the outside air. 2 heat exchangers with a compresser pumping the fluid between the 2.
 

OutHouse

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Iv never seen a a/c drain pipe as long as you are telling us. I havemine draining in my flowerbeds next to the house.