Story of a North Korean prison camp survivor.

[imported_Tomato]

Sad. 🙁

Peace,
Dezign

 

[hagbard]

Not that atypical of communist regimes. Stalin and Mao each killed many more of their people than did Hitler, but didn't get nearly the press that Hilter did. Pol Pot killed 1/3 of Cambodia's population. The wonders of socialism.

What do you propose "we" do about it?

 

[imported_Tomato]

Originally posted by: hagbard
Not that atypical of communist regimes. Stalin and Mao each killed many more of their people than did Hitler, but didn't get nearly the press that Hilter did. Pol Pot killed 1/3 of Cambodia's population. The wonders of socialism.

What do you propose "we" do about it?

"We"?

Peace,
Dezign

 

[hagbard]

Originally posted by: Dezign

Originally posted by: hagbard
Not that atypical of communist regimes. Stalin and Mao each killed many more of their people than did Hitler, but didn't get nearly the press that Hilter did. Pol Pot killed 1/3 of Cambodia's population. The wonders of socialism.

What do you propose "we" do about it?

"We"?

Peace,
Dezign

Yes, "we" outsiders?

 

[imported_Tomato]

Originally posted by: hagbard

Originally posted by: Dezign

Originally posted by: hagbard
Not that atypical of communist regimes. Stalin and Mao each killed many more of their people than did Hitler, but didn't get nearly the press that Hilter did. Pol Pot killed 1/3 of Cambodia's population. The wonders of socialism.

What do you propose "we" do about it?

"We"?

Peace,
Dezign

Yes, "we" outsiders?

Call the justice league and kick their @sses.

Peace,
Dezign

 

[Spoooon]

Originally posted by: hagbard

Originally posted by: Dezign

Originally posted by: hagbard
Not that atypical of communist regimes. Stalin and Mao each killed many more of their people than did Hitler, but didn't get nearly the press that Hilter did. Pol Pot killed 1/3 of Cambodia's population. The wonders of socialism.

What do you propose "we" do about it?

"We"?

Peace,
Dezign

Yes, "we" outsiders?

North Korea is part of the "axis of evil" according to Bush. If we're not prepared to allow Iraq to go their merry own way, we'd be hypocritical to ignore the situation in North Korea.

 

[MonkOnXanax]

Originally posted by: Dezign

Originally posted by: hagbard

Originally posted by: Dezign

Originally posted by: hagbard
Not that atypical of communist regimes. Stalin and Mao each killed many more of their people than did Hitler, but didn't get nearly the press that Hilter did. Pol Pot killed 1/3 of Cambodia's population. The wonders of socialism.

What do you propose "we" do about it?

"We"?

Peace,
Dezign

Yes, "we" outsiders?

Raise awareness, for starters I suppose...

Peace,
Dezign

what will that accomplish. short of forcing them to change, i doubt that they'll care if some outsiders complain.

 

[Damage]

Originally posted by: SpoooonNorth Korea is part of the "axis of evil" according to Bush. If we're not prepared to allow Iraq to go their merry own way, we'd be hypocritical to ignore the situation in North Korea.

Yes we would be, and the US is persuing diplomatic courses on this matter.

 

[AreaCode707]

Oh God... My God...

 

[imported_Tomato]

Originally posted by: MonkOnXanax

Originally posted by: Dezign

Originally posted by: hagbard

Originally posted by: Dezign

Originally posted by: hagbard
Not that atypical of communist regimes. Stalin and Mao each killed many more of their people than did Hitler, but didn't get nearly the press that Hilter did. Pol Pot killed 1/3 of Cambodia's population. The wonders of socialism.

What do you propose "we" do about it?

"We"?

Peace,
Dezign

Yes, "we" outsiders?

Raise awareness, for starters I suppose...

Peace,
Dezign

what will that accomplish. short of forcing them to change, i doubt that they'll care if some outsiders complain.

Okay then, it's hopeless. Sorry for posting.

Peace,
Dezign

 

[tec699]

It makes you realize just how lucky we have it here in America.

🙁

 

[Dragnov]

what will that accomplish. short of forcing them to change, i doubt that they'll care if some outsiders complain.

lol. Damn dude, she isn't a government paid political analyst. She just thought it was a sad story, and believed people should read about it.

No one knows what is the correct solution to these problems are. We just act in what we THINK is the best solution, and we take it from there.

Anyways, off to more PoliSci classes. 😛

 

[Aceshigh]

Extremely sad. Koreans are among the world's most beautiful and intelligent people. The predicament of North Koreans now is truly tragic. It is such a shame that North Koreans let themselves be brainwashed by Kim Jong II and his father before him. If they were to rise up in masses they could put an end to this evil government. Yes there would be many deaths, but they are dying already anyways. When you don't have anything you have nothing to lose.

 

[MonkOnXanax]

Originally posted by: Gr1mL0cK

what will that accomplish. short of forcing them to change, i doubt that they'll care if some outsiders complain.

lol. Damn dude, she isn't a government paid political analyst. She just thought it was a sad story, and believed people should read about it.

No one knows what is the correct solution to these problems are. We just act in what we THINK is the best solution, and we take it from there.

Anyways, off to more PoliSci classes. 😛

i was just commenting on the 'raising awareness' thing.

the only way to get them to change is to either get rid of the communist regime, or to get them by the balls and force to to comply.

and as of right now, we can't even get them to comply on the nuclear weapons front.

 

[hagbard]

Originally posted by: Spoooon

Originally posted by: hagbard

Originally posted by: Dezign

Originally posted by: hagbard
Not that atypical of communist regimes. Stalin and Mao each killed many more of their people than did Hitler, but didn't get nearly the press that Hilter did. Pol Pot killed 1/3 of Cambodia's population. The wonders of socialism.

What do you propose "we" do about it?

"We"?

Peace,
Dezign

Yes, "we" outsiders?

North Korea is part of the "axis of evil" according to Bush. If we're not prepared to allow Iraq to go their merry own way, we'd be hypocritical to ignore the situation in North Korea.

Very true.

 

[imported_Tomato]

Originally posted by: MonkOnXanax

Originally posted by: Gr1mL0cK

what will that accomplish. short of forcing them to change, i doubt that they'll care if some outsiders complain.

lol. Damn dude, she isn't a government paid political analyst. She just thought it was a sad story, and believed people should read about it.

No one knows what is the correct solution to these problems are. We just act in what we THINK is the best solution, and we take it from there.

Anyways, off to more PoliSci classes. 😛

i was just commenting on the 'raising awareness' thing.

the only way to get them to change is to either get rid of the communist regime, or to get them by the balls and force to to comply.

and as of right now, we can't even get them to comply on the nuclear weapons front.

Well, you can't take any action until you're aware something's going on that requires action.

Peace,
Dezign

 

[DanTMWTMP]

🙁 🙁 🙁


i saw a picture of a starving korean child...it looked so much like my kid brother that i got teary eyed....

right now, it's a lose-lose situation to do anything...but raising awareness is a start....some people here are complete a$$hats by being cynical about the situation ......it's a sad story plain and simple.... 🙁 🙁

 

[MonkOnXanax]

Originally posted by: Dezign

Originally posted by: MonkOnXanax

Originally posted by: Gr1mL0cK

what will that accomplish. short of forcing them to change, i doubt that they'll care if some outsiders complain.

lol. Damn dude, she isn't a government paid political analyst. She just thought it was a sad story, and believed people should read about it.

No one knows what is the correct solution to these problems are. We just act in what we THINK is the best solution, and we take it from there.

Anyways, off to more PoliSci classes. 😛

i was just commenting on the 'raising awareness' thing.

the only way to get them to change is to either get rid of the communist regime, or to get them by the balls and force to to comply.

and as of right now, we can't even get them to comply on the nuclear weapons front.

Well, you can't take any action until you're aware something's going on that requires action.

Peace,
Dezign

you're right of course. but then it becomes a question of *if* we should do something about it, why does it always have to be us that has to police the world, and how this action will be perceived by them and others. will it be appreciated?

 

[AreaCode707]

Originally posted by: MonkOnXanax

you're right of course. but then it becomes a question of *if* we should do something about it, why does it always have to be us that has to police the world, and how this action will be perceived by them and others. will it be appreciated?

It doesn't have to be us. However, could you stand by while this happened and not make a move to stop it? Why should we, as a country, do any less? Will it be appreciated? Whose appreciation do you care about? The people being tortured and killed? Appreciation would be too mild a word. Does perception matter when it's a matter of basic human rights?

 

[MonkOnXanax]

Originally posted by: HotChic

Originally posted by: MonkOnXanaxyou're right of course. but then it becomes a question of *if* we should do something about it, why does it always have to be us that has to police the world, and how this action will be perceived by them and others. will it be appreciated?

It doesn't have to be us. However, could you stand by while this happened and not make a move to stop it? Why should we, as a country, do any less? Will it be appreciated? Whose appreciation do you care about? The people being tortured and killed? Appreciation would be too mild a word. Does perception matter when it's a matter of basic human rights?

how would the rest of the country react to our interference? does the rest of the country hate their current government? how do they view the US?

 

[hagbard]

Originally posted by: Dezign

Originally posted by: MonkOnXanax

Originally posted by: Gr1mL0cK

what will that accomplish. short of forcing them to change, i doubt that they'll care if some outsiders complain.

lol. Damn dude, she isn't a government paid political analyst. She just thought it was a sad story, and believed people should read about it.

No one knows what is the correct solution to these problems are. We just act in what we THINK is the best solution, and we take it from there.

Anyways, off to more PoliSci classes. 😛

i was just commenting on the 'raising awareness' thing.

the only way to get them to change is to either get rid of the communist regime, or to get them by the balls and force to to comply.

and as of right now, we can't even get them to comply on the nuclear weapons front.

Well, you can't take any action until you're aware something's going on that requires action.

None of what you provided gives me any information that I haven't already seen. And I'm sure the US government has even more such information they haven't released. The fact remains, what can you do about it? All it does is get everyone's blood boiling in an already tense time. I think challenging the NKs would be a very bad move. So, why I ask, what should be done?

 

[AreaCode707]

Originally posted by: MonkOnXanax

how would the rest of the country react to our interference? does the rest of the country hate their current government? how do they view the US?

So human rights is a majority-rules issue?

 

[rawoutput]

Originally posted by: hagbard

Originally posted by: Dezign

Originally posted by: MonkOnXanax

Originally posted by: Gr1mL0cK

what will that accomplish. short of forcing them to change, i doubt that they'll care if some outsiders complain.

lol. Damn dude, she isn't a government paid political analyst. She just thought it was a sad story, and believed people should read about it.

No one knows what is the correct solution to these problems are. We just act in what we THINK is the best solution, and we take it from there.

Anyways, off to more PoliSci classes. 😛

i was just commenting on the 'raising awareness' thing.

the only way to get them to change is to either get rid of the communist regime, or to get them by the balls and force to to comply.

and as of right now, we can't even get them to comply on the nuclear weapons front.

Well, you can't take any action until you're aware something's going on that requires action.

None of what you provided gives me any information that I haven't already seen. And I'm sure the US government has even more such information they haven't released. The fact remains, what can you do about it? All it does is get everyone's blood boiling in an already tense time. I think challenging the NKs would be a very bad move. So, why I ask, what should be done?

Your disregarding the option that will have the most effect, and then you say "what should be done?" Thats some messed up logic. While you throw your hands in the air and stay neutral the US will probably end up knocking over the regime, if not for human rights violations then for all of this WMD BS that NK has been stirring up to get attention.
Why do you think that challenging NK on its human rights violations would be a bad move? It's not like they're China and our economy would be put at stake. I'm speaking in U.S. terms since I doubt anyone else will do anything.

 

[MonkOnXanax]

Originally posted by: HotChic

Originally posted by: MonkOnXanaxhow would the rest of the country react to our interference? does the rest of the country hate their current government? how do they view the US?

So human rights is a majority-rules issue?

no. but it does not give us the right to police the whole world.

like i said before, why do *we* always have to be the once policing everything? to which you replied that it doesn't have to be us. so then who? and why haven't they done anything yet?

what's been happening is not new news. and i don't think that people from the US are the only ones that are aware of the atrocities. and i'm fairly certain that the people of NK know what's going on too. when we had problems domestically, we took care of them.

that's why i asked how the rest of the NK society views their government. if they're happy with how things are run, and we go in there and force them to change or overthrow their government, will they be happy?

 

[AreaCode707]

Originally posted by: MonkOnXanax

like i said before, why do *we* always have to be the once policing everything? to which you replied that it doesn't have to be us. so then who? and why haven't they done anything yet?

My point was that it doesn't *have* to be us, but if not us, who else? If we believe, and obviously this is a point that varies from individual to individual, that this is criminal, then it becomes our responsibility as humans.

that's why i asked how the rest of the NK society views their government. if they're happy with how things are run, and we go in there and force them to change or overthrow their government, will they be happy?

Who is they? The people tortured and dying? The population who can stop a child from crying by raising the spectre of a prison camp? (see end of article)
How do you go about seeing if the (free) population is happy with how things are anyway?