Stop the presses: Kids with real majors have easier time finding jobs

[Moonbeam]

Very clever analogy, just can't get past the false equivalence.

The motivational force of the ego not to see the equivalency is what the brain defect is all about.

 

[Moonbeam]

For a nominal fee of course, say an extra 10% tax of your paycheck for life? Gotta support the Federal Bureau of Career Identification, Assignment, and Support somehow.

Imagine if the world were built by a beautiful mind that wanted to create heaven on earth and had employed the people of earth to build it for the last 5000 years with no breaks for war and destruction. The whole planet would be an oasis of science arts and crafts. But we like to live like rats that dig up ore for cheese to make weapons to poison our cheese. And the whole thing is perpetuated by the egos of the better off rats who get more cheese and want it to stay that way. Fuck the oasis, they say, their minds damaged by the poison. What an ambition to have, to be the greatest rat that ever lived. Every child is born with infinitely more than any adult has ever had, well with some exceptions, like folk who tell you who will enter the kingdom of heaven.

 

[Throckmorton]

Or you could just accept that some people are inately smarter, more driven, have better mental and/or physical stamina than others (keep it clean here folks... ), etc. etc., and just realize that while many times this is all chance, it doesn't really matter.

These people still needed to apply themselves in some manner, make correct choices rather than knee jerk emotional ones, and ended up a difference place in life than others who made different choices. No soul searching needed for the successful.

Now, the unsuccessful......they might want to take a look within to find out why they ended up the way they are.... (but it's so much easier to protest against the 1%, I doubt they'll do that)

Chuck

What about those of us who have useful degrees and careers, and realize that if income distribution was similar to what it was in the 70s we'd be making a lot more money? I'd be making about $50k instead of $36k.

 

[chucky2]

Or we have rats that like to steal the cheese that other rats went and toiled to get. These lazy rats are perfectly capable of working to get their own cheese, but its easier to sit back and let someone else put forth the effort to harvest it risking their own tails, then demand from the head cats in charge that unless they get their cut, there'll be problems. The head cats are fat and happy...they want no problems - why, it'd mean they have to actually do something.

Left unchecked, they just spread their diseases.

Best not to coddle these lazy rats. Let them be miserable, perhaps their misery will spur them to work for their own cheese, and - gasp - even spur their offspring (of which somehow they never fail to produce many of) to not be like their rat parents and instead strive for something better.

Good analogy, rats works good...

Chuck

 

[xBiffx]

What about those of us who have useful degrees and careers, and realize that if income distribution was similar to what it was in the 70s we'd be making a lot more money? I'd be making about $50k instead of $36k.

Useful degree, check. Useful career, nope. One does not beget the other.

 

[Moonbeam]

You just ninja kicked some ego's right in the nuts, but that does seem to be one or your hobbies.

Seriously, one should not feel bad about being smart in choosing their educational path that leads to future success. But I see what you are saying, in that there is luck, or chance, (or whatever you want to call it) involved. And because of this, one should remember that there is more to their success than their own doing. But to admit this to oneself, would require one to check their ego. Am I on the right track?

Nobody knows in the begining if the path one assumes is intelligent and will lead to success will actually do so, any more than most people have any idea what success is. Would you believe that some of the greatest minds on earth inhabit the bodies of beggars?

Here are some of the accomplishments of a woman who earns her living with the fucking ridiculous and worthless job of hugging people:

Charitable Activities

[edit] Disaster Relief

Beginning with the 2001, the Mata Amritanandamayi Math has consistently dedicated volunteers and resources in response to disasters within India. Its most extensive disaster-relief program followed the 2004 Indian Ocean earthquake and tsunami. In response, MAM provided a value of $46 million in relief, including the construction of 6,200 tsunami-resistant houses in India and Sri Lanka, as well as 700 new fishing boats.[4] It also constructed a multimillion-dollar bridge providing Alappad Panchayat, a tsunami-at-risk peninsula community, an evacuation route to the mainland.[5] MAM has provided a combination of medical care, food, shelter, monetary aid and other forms of relief following the flooding of Karnataka[6] and Andhra Pradesh in 2009, Bihar in 2008, and Gujarat in 2005 and Bombay in 2005, as well as the Kashmir-Pakistan earthquake of 2005. It also reconstructed 1,200 homes following the 2001 Gujarat earthquake.

In connection with its sister organizations, such as the Mata Amritanandamayi Center in the United States, it also has responded to disasters outside India as well, including medical supplies, blankets and care for orphans following the 2010 Haiti earthquake, a donation of $1 million U.S. to the Bush-Clinton Katrina Fund, following Hurricane Katrina,[7] and $1 million U.S. in relief aid to victims of the 2011 Tōhoku earthquake and tsunami, with a focus on children orphaned in the disaster.[8]

[edit] Empowering Women

MAM's Amrita SREE program was launched in 2006, with the goal of aiding 100,000 women through the development of 5,000 self-help groups. As of January 2011, there are more than 6,000 such groups, with more than 100,000 women participating throughout India. MAM has also set up an additional 1,000 self-help groups in Andaman Island. Through providing vocational education, start-up capital, marketing assistance and access to microcredit loans and microsavings accounts, the Amrita SREE program equips unemployed and economically vulnerable women with the skills and means to set up small-scale, cottage-industry businesses. As of January 2011, MAM has helped 3,500 groups to receive microcredit loans to expand their businesses, benefitting more than 60,000 families.

[edit] Homes & Slum Renovation

In 1997 MAM launched its Amrita Kuteeram housing program, an initiative to build 25,000 homes for the homeless throughout India. In 1998, keys to the first 5,000 homes were distributed. The initial target was reached in 2002. Currently MAM is striving to build another 100,000 homes. As of January 2011, more than 40,000 such homes have been constructed. These homes include 1,200 built in order to rebuild three villages following the 2001 Gujarat earthquake and 6,200 built in order to replace homes destroyed by the Indian Ocean tsunami. Amrita Kuteeram homes have thus far been built in Rajasthan, Uttar Pradesh, Madhya Pradesh, Gujarat, Maharashtra, West Bengal, Andhra Pradesh, Orissa, Pondicherry, Karnataka, Tamil Nadu, Kerala and Andaman Island. Through its sister organization, the Mata Amritanandamayi Center, houses have also been constructed in Sri Lanka. Often Amrita Kuteerams are built not as single homes but as entire villages, complete with town halls, roads, wells, electricity, sewage systems and clean drinking water.

[edit] Community Outreach

MAM runs a number of programs aimed at the upliftment of the general community. These include Amrita Nidhi, a financial-aid program started in 1998 that provides monthly pensions for 50,000 widows and physically and mentally disadvantaged individuals. The pensions are given for life. It is MAM's stated goal to provide 100,000 such pensions.

MAM also runs four homes for the elderly, one in Sivakasi, Tamil Nadu, one in Kottayam, Kerala, and two in Karnataka (Karwar and Bangalore). The care homes include prayer halls where community functions and cultural programs are held on a regular basis.

For the benefit of youth, MAM runs a program called AYUDH, a movement to empower young people to integrate universal values into their daily lives. Members take part in service activities, including caring for the elderly, homeless and physically disadvantaged.

Free meditation classes are also offered free to the general public. Monastic disciples and other volunteers teach Mata Amritanandamayi's Integrated Amrita Meditation Technique (IAM Technique) throughout the world. The technique is regularly being taught at schools, businesses, and at at the request of the Indian government, to the 1.3 members of India's paramilitary.

Other Community Outreach programs include sponsored weddings for impoverished couples, a prisoner's welfare project (through MA Center in USA), a seed-distribution program to promote home-grown food, and a hostel for women in Trissur, Kerala.

[edit] Care Homes for Children

MAM runs two care homes for children. Amrita Niketan is a facility for 500 children in Paripally, Kollam, Kerala. The majority of Amrita Niketan residents are from poor tribal communities. In 2009, through a sister organization known as Amma-Kenya, MAM started an orphanage in Nairobi for 108 children.

[edit] Education for Everyone

MAM has founded and manages a wide range of educational institutions for the underprivileged and disadvantaged sections of society. These include Amrita Speech & Hearing Improvement School (ASHIS) in Trissur, Kerala; the Amrita Institute for the Differently Abled (AIDA) in Kozhikode, Kerala; adult education classes in Idukki, Kerala, and in Sivakasi, Tamil Nadu; and the Industrial Training Center (ITC) in Karungappally, Kerala. MAM also has runs schools for tribal children in Attappadi and Idukki, Kerala.

Furthermore, MAM is providing 32,000 scholarships to disadvantaged children, many of whom have lost a parent due to suicide or have a parent suffering from AIDS.[9] Known as Vidyamritam, the scholarship program is currently running in Maharashtra, Andhra Pradesh, Karnataka and Kerala. It was originally started as part of MAM's campaign to curb India's problem of farmer suicide, by providing children of agricultural families a means to education that will expand their vocational options. It is MAM's stated goal to eventually provide 100,000 such scholarships throughout India.[10]

Through Amma-Kenya, MAM runs the Amrita Vocational Training Center in Kenya, equipped with 35 computers.

[edit] Research for a Better World

Through MAM's university, Amrita Vishwa Vidyapeetham, volunteer researchers are conducting research and development in disciplines including nanotechnology, biotechnology, robotics and satellite-enabled software solutions. The stated goal behind the research is: "To harness the power of modern technology to provide effect, targeted aid to communities and individuals in crisis."[11] Projects include a sensor network system for landslide detection, a high-quality low-cost insulin pump for diabetics, a system for early-cancer detection and stem-cell research.

Sakshat Amrita Vocational Education (SAVE) is a program funded by the Government of India's e-learning program, Sakshat. SAVE's goal is to provide vocational training to remote and impoverished areas through haptic devices. The Department of Biomedical Informatics at SUNY-Buffalo and Arizona State University are collaborating on the project.

Amrita Virtual Interactive E-learning World (AVIEW) is project developed by MAM researchers. AVIEW allows a teacher at one location to connect with students at another place, using Internet and satellite connectivity. Lectures are recorded and can be viewed later. AVIEW was inaugurated by the former President of India Dr. A.P.J. Abdul Kalam in 2009.

[edit] Healthcare

In 1998, MAM opened the Amrita Institute of Medical Sciences (AIMS) in Cochin, Kerala. Most of AIMS' patients receive free or subsidized care. The hospital has 1,300 beds and an attached medical college with a 400-bed facility, as well as a 210-bed Intensive Care Facility. Since 1998, AIMS and MAM's other charitable medical institutions have treated more than 5.5 million patients. During this time, more than $60 million U.S. worth of free medical care have been provided, and more than two million patients have received free treatment.[12]

AIMS has an extensive pain and palliative home-care program, telemedicine facilities and conducts medical camps in remote areas. MAM also runs four other charitable hospitals, including three in Kerala (one in Kalpetta, one in Pampa and one in Amritapuri) and one in Mysore, Karnataka.

MAM also runs an HIV/AIDS Care Center in Trivandrum, Kerala, the Amrita Kripa Sagar Cancer Hospice in Mumbai and the Amrita Health Center in Port Blair, Andaman Island.

[edit] Fighting Hunger

MAM feeds more than 10 million people every year throughout India, distributing uncooked rice, milk and other staples to remote tribal areas. Outside of India, through sister organizations such as Amma-Europe and the Mata Amritanandamayi Center in the USA, more than 1000,000 meals to the homeless and hungry are provided annually.[13]

[edit] Green Initiatives

MAM is a member of the United Nations Billion Tree Campaign and has organized the planting of more than one million trees throughout the world since 2001. MAM also has an international environmental organization to promote environmental awareness called GreenFriends. It also runs a Plastic Project that creates shopping bags, purses, sandals and hats, etc., through the weaving recycled plastic. In 2009, in New York, in the presence of Steven Clark Rockefeller, Amma endorsed the Earth Charter, a declaration of fundamental principles for building a sustainable and peaceful world.

[edit] Public Health

MAM started the Amala Bharatam Campaign (ABC) in 2010 in order to improve public health and restore India's physical beauty. Through ABC, MAM volunteers clean public areas, construct public toilets and spread awareness regarding environmentally friendly ways of disposing of trash.

[edit] Amrita Institutions

MAM runs a number of other institutions. On the educational front, there is the Amrita Vishwa Vidyapeetham, a five-campus university, and 47 Amrita Vidyalayam values-based grammar/high schools.

Amritapuri Ashram, MAM's headquarters in Kollam District, Kerala, is a spiritual center and international pilgrimage site, where free classes on Vedanta, Sanskrit, meditation and yoga. MAM has built and consecrated 20 Brahmasthanam Temples throughout India, and has hundreds of branch centers throughout the country as well. Amrita Kutambam, or Amrita Families, are community groups who come together for the purpose of group prayer and spiritual company.

MAM also publishes dozens of spiritual books and two magazines in various languages.

 

[chucky2]

What about those of us who have useful degrees and careers, and realize that if income distribution was similar to what it was in the 70s we'd be making a lot more money? I'd be making about $50k instead of $36k.

Then while you're working in your current job, look for a better one that pays more. Employers almost always are not there for their employees benefit. Employees should not screw themselves at their own expense so their employer keeps coming out ahead again and again. Keep working that job so you have one, and either rise to a higher level at your current employer, or, leave there with two weeks (or more) notice once you've secured a better one.

If you're in a working trade, you can also thank the Bleeding Hearts/White Guilter/Damn'TheMan'/liberals, along with the greedy business folks and greedy general American, on allowing a 30+ year illegal invasion to depress trade wages just to push their mentally F'd up wants.

What can I say....America is a F'd up place, laissez faire and don't shut off that TV...

Chuck

 

[gotsmack]

4 degrees with 0% unemployment: http://money.cnn.com/galleries/2012/news/economy/1205/gallery.high-demand-jobs/?iid=EL

Actuarial Science, Astrophysics, Pharmacology, Geophysics

Note: Pharmacology degrees are NOT in demand on the Coasts. You will have to go inland to find retail pharmacy jobs.

 

[RampantAndroid]

Tell that to the people with technical degrees that still can't find jobs. Like me.

What degree? I'd stay away from an IT degree. a CS degree or CE degree however is a different story.

But then again, I don't have many nice things to say about IT.

 

[uclaLabrat]

What degree? I'd stay away from an IT degree. a CS degree or CE degree however is a different story.

But then again, I don't have many nice things to say about IT.

Ph. D. in chemistry.

 

[Throckmorton]

Useful degree, check. Useful career, nope. One does not beget the other.

The point is that the "1%" (really the 0.1% or less) have hijacked the economy to enrich themselves beyond reason, at the expense of the rest of us.

I work for a local government. Obviously my job is useful to the people of this county or it wouldn't exist.

 

[BoberFett]

Imagine if the world were built by a beautiful mind that wanted to create heaven on earth and had employed the people of earth to build it for the last 5000 years with no breaks for war and destruction. The whole planet would be an oasis of science arts and crafts. But we like to live like rats that dig up ore for cheese to make weapons to poison our cheese. And the whole thing is perpetuated by the egos of the better off rats who get more cheese and want it to stay that way. Fuck the oasis, they say, their minds damaged by the poison. What an ambition to have, to be the greatest rat that ever lived. Every child is born with infinitely more than any adult has ever had, well with some exceptions, like folk who tell you who will enter the kingdom of heaven.

The question always becomes, who gets to be the mind to create your utopia? Those wars you think could be avoided? They're all about who gets to be the one to direct humanity. Your vision of a dictator creating their version of utopia is the very evil you wish to stop.

I doubt you'll ever understand that simple fact: that you are the very evil you rebel against. If you did, your whole world would collapse, your mind would melt down. So instead you'll continue to blindly talk about how the conservative mind is defective, in order to shift the focus away from your own defective self.

 

[Hugo Drax]

Then while you're working in your current job, look for a better one that pays more. Employers almost always are not there for their employees benefit. Employees should not screw themselves at their own expense so their employer keeps coming out ahead again and again. Keep working that job so you have one, and either rise to a higher level at your current employer, or, leave there with two weeks (or more) notice once you've secured a better one.

If you're in a working trade, you can also thank the Bleeding Hearts/White Guilter/Damn'TheMan'/liberals, along with the greedy business folks and greedy general American, on allowing a 30+ year illegal invasion to depress trade wages just to push their mentally F'd up wants.

What can I say....America is a F'd up place, laissez faire and don't shut off that TV...

Chuck

I never knew Illegals were taking jobs away from highly skilled employees in technical fields that require a mastery of english,reading comprehension and years of experience.

 

[halik]

The motivational force of the ego not to see the equivalency is what the brain defect is all about.

Cop out retort on an untenable proposition that all of success, whatever that may be defined as, is purely determined by luck...

 

[xBiffx]

The point is that the "1%" (really the 0.1% or less) have hijacked the economy to enrich themselves beyond reason, at the expense of the rest of us.

I work for a local government. Obviously my job is useful to the people of this county or it wouldn't exist.

What is obvious about that? Sorry if I can't see past the tin foil.

Also, those 1% are the ones signing a lot of the paychecks out there so I would think we all want them "enriching" themselves. Beyond reason, wtf is that supposed to mean? Do you get to decide what is reason and what is beyond it?

 

[BoberFett]

I never knew Illegals were taking jobs away from highly skilled employees in technical fields that require a mastery of english,reading comprehension and years of experience.

The liberal failure parade continues...

Illegals depress wages at the bottom, forcing people who used to be able to make middle class incomes doing things like construction to now look elsewhere. Those people went back to some diploma mill to get into IT or some other field, driving up the cost of eduction, forcing all students further into debt, and driving down wages in those other fields. Or do you think every job exists in a vacuum, completely unaffected by market forces? Sometimes I think you "liberals" believe that to be true...

 

[RampantAndroid]

Ph. D. in chemistry.

Not being anywhere near familiar with that field, what kind of jobs would you expect? Research, teaching?

 

[Throckmorton]

What is obvious about that? Sorry if I can't see past the tin foil.

Also, those 1% are the ones signing a lot of the paychecks out there so I would think we all want them "enriching" themselves. Beyond reason, wtf is that supposed to mean? Do you get to decide what is reason and what is beyond it?

Huh? It seems pretty obvious that a government doesn't create a position unless it's needed... Especially with tight budgets, furloughs, and salary freezes (we haven't had raises for years).


Paying someone is not enriching yourself. Paying employees less than your father did a generation ago, and paying yourself 10x as much, is enriching yourself at the expense of the workers. Or do you think that the middle class's 30 year decline is good because... uhh because the rich who are getting richer are... signing paychecks... what??

 

[chucky2]

I never knew Illegals were taking jobs away from highly skilled employees in technical fields that require a mastery of english,reading comprehension and years of experience.

Their kids, who are US citizens and would never have been here to compete for those jobs, may be.

But my comment wasn't to the OP, it was to Throck. If he's got a long term job paying $36k then either he's not as good of an employee as he thinks he is, or, he's lazy (or has some other circumstance keeping him in such a low paying job). Why else would someone with good contacts (which one has if they're a good employee), good recommendations (again, which one has if they're a good employee), a good degree, be stuck long term at $36k a year?

Throck can you post what you do and how long you've been doing it?

Chuck

 

[Hugo Drax]

The liberal failure parade continues...

Illegals depress wages at the bottom, forcing people who used to be able to make middle class incomes doing things like construction to now look elsewhere. Those people went back to some diploma mill to get into IT or some other field, driving up the cost of eduction, forcing all students further into debt, and driving down wages in those other fields. Or do you think every job exists in a vacuum, completely unaffected by market forces? Sometimes I think you "liberals" believe that to be true...

I am not a Liberal. Stop accusing anyone who has an opinion as a liberal. It makes you sound like some Inbred hick who barely graduated high school.

And Just because someone who is in construction goes to study IT does not guarantee success.

You make it sound like someone in one field can magically become proficient in a totally different field.


Companies still need bodies that can produce output.

 

[Moonbeam]

The question always becomes, who gets to be the mind to create your utopia? Those wars you think could be avoided? They're all about who gets to be the one to direct humanity. Your vision of a dictator creating their version of utopia is the very evil you wish to stop.

I doubt you'll ever understand that simple fact: that you are the very evil you rebel against. If you did, your whole world would collapse, your mind would melt down. So instead you'll continue to blindly talk about how the conservative mind is defective, in order to shift the focus away from your own defective self.

See, you have the brain defect knows as excessive fear and suspicion of the motivations of others, whereas I have the sunny optimism of a liberal. The mind I meant, of course, would be the human mind without mental defect, lots and lots of such minds working together, human consciousness. Did you read about the dictatorial mind of the lady I mentioned above, the idiot that hugs people, but, who, in her spare time, is building the oasis? See how she employees millions of slaves? One hug, it seems, and their minds get fucked. You always see yourself in me, but I don't blame you.

 

[Throckmorton]

Their kids, who are US citizens and would never have been here to compete for those jobs, may be.

But my comment wasn't to the OP, it was to Throck. If he's got a long term job paying $36k then either he's not as good of an employee as he thinks he is, or, he's lazy (or has some other circumstance keeping him in such a low paying job). Why else would someone with good contacts (which one has if they're a good employee), good recommendations (again, which one has if they're a good employee), a good degree, be stuck long term at $36k a year?

Throck can you post what you do and how long you've been doing it?

Chuck

I work for the County of Maui as a GIS Technician II. There's no possibility of promotion unless a GIS Analyst retires or dies.

I do have good contacts on this island and in Texas, but so far it hasn't helped. I've applied for jobs I more than qualify for but been turned down. I missed a job opportunity a couple weeks ago because I don't have a security clearance (apparently employers really try to avoid paying for those themselves). But that is completely beside the point. A technician job should pay at least as much as the typical skilled trade. 40 years ago it would have... I'm guessing the equivalent position, a drafter or land tech, would have been paying enough to raise a family in 1970.

Public service is a dead end in general. I'm working on a photography business on the side and eventually I want that to be my only job.

 

[Hugo Drax]

Good luck. There is a glut of Photographers willing to work for pennies on the dollar.

 

[SagaLore]

“The major obviously has a huge role in it, compared to some of my friends that are marketing majors who still are struggling to find full-time employment right now,”


Yea what's with all these people majoring in Marketing these days? The market (pun not intended) is saturated with marketing degrees, and all its done is make the average salary lower as people compete for those limited jobs.

 

[Moonbeam]

The liberal failure parade continues...

Illegals depress wages at the bottom, forcing people who used to be able to make middle class incomes doing things like construction to now look elsewhere. Those people went back to some diploma mill to get into IT or some other field, driving up the cost of eduction, forcing all students further into debt, and driving down wages in those other fields. Or do you think every job exists in a vacuum, completely unaffected by market forces? Sometimes I think you "liberals" believe that to be true...

Interesting market forces you have there. You seem to like the idea that a person who hires labor wants the cheapest labor he can get away with thereby destroying the commons and his own society. Seems like the dictator you worship is greed, not oasis makers. Nice thing about oasis living, you don't have any use for greed. I think it's why otters like to play in pools. It's play time after you eat.