Stop sharing files!!

[Tom]

"But stealing is:
To take (the property of another) without right or permission."

For anyone who is laboring under the misconception that sharing copyrighted works is not stealing..

a copyright is intellectual property. Stealing intellectual property is just as bad as stealing physical objects. It is stealing.

But that misses the bigger issue. P2P involves not only stealing the property of another, but helping and encouraging other people to also steal it.

btw, the reasons I care about this issue..
1. freedom and access to the internet is going to be fouled up because of the prevalence of thieves. It's not the RIAA fault, or the governemnts fault, it is the criminals that are responsible.
2. the current ease of stealing other people's property is bad karma for weak-minded people who can't control themselves.

 

[FeathersMcGraw]

Originally posted by: GermyBoy

Nowhere does it mention, copying something bit for bit, and not buying it. Unless I take a CD from them, which they spent money on, I don't think it's stealing. I wouldn't buy it otherwise.

You're deriving utility or value from a work without paying appropriate compensation. The "I wouldn't have bought it anyway" argument is bogus (unless you delete whatever you've downloaded after sampling it and finding it wanting) because by using the work, you're asserting that it has useful value to you, yet refusing to pay the stated price of admission.

If you like it, buy it. If you don't like it enough to buy it, don't use it.

 

[rahvin]

Originally posted by: GermyBoy

Originally posted by: rahvin

Originally posted by: Carbonyl

Originally posted by: jkthomas79 But will microsoft be able to outsmart the hacker public? Would there be no way around it? And to clarify, I don't want people to ever stop sharing, as long as they share with me.

NO but they will make it so someone with a JOB does'nt want to make the effort anymore of finding some warez or crack site and 25 work-arounds to use/or download it. That's thier goal. The hackers and kids will always find a way to do it because they have lots of free time.

You underestimate how well thought out Palladium is. It will be integrated in ALL hardware (MB's, Hard Disks, etc.), it will be Integrated in the software and if the code isn't signed with the appropriate encryption key the Computer will refuse to decode the information. Being that all content, including what is contained in memory will be encrypted with high level encryption this system is believed to be unbreakable with current hardware. (Remember cracking encryption is a function of the powerfullness of the computer involved, think how long it took to break 64bit encryption and realize that Palladium will use 128 or 256bit). The only way to crack the Palladium system would be to obtain a processor that reported itself as palladium compliant with the appropriate key and in fact wasn't. Seeing as how we all dont' have processor Fab's laying around this is going to present a small problem. Palladium will end fair use. The music and movie industries will embrace it and release all future content as Palladium compliant. You will be able to disable Palladium but in doing so you will lock yourself out of all legitimate content you may own.

a) This will never pass.
b) What will happen is everyone will integrate to apple, in case a) is wrong.
c) If you can't use an Intel/AMD chip to do anything you want, then nobody will buy new computers.
d) In case a) is wrong, AMD will not be compliant, I can almost guarantee this, and will then take over the chip world.
e) This is the worst idea over.
f) Anything that can be done, can be undone. Look at the XBOX and microsofts great sense of security there. XBOX2 will be the same way.

Phonex and AMI have both announced support. (got any other BIOS manufacturers?) All major MB manufacturers I can think of have announced support. Intel and AMD have announced support. Most major CDROM/DVDROM/ETC manufacturers have announced support. Western Digitial, Seagate and Maxtor have all announced support and there was an atempt to integrate compliance into the ATAPI spec (I don't think they succeed because of the Linux lobby). The Palladium system will use a public Key crypto system that uses offsite verification, according to reports nothing short of a brute force keyspace attack could crack it. Being that the keys will be at a minimum of 128bits it would take approximately 300million years of a computer time to crack a single key. The DMCA makes attempts to brute force the keyspace illegal. All operating systems short of Linux will integrate the required software framework (and there will likely be an open source plugin available).

Once released the general consumer will be completely unaware of what palladium is other than that they can buy music and movies online with it enabled. Based on comments by the RIAA and MPAA all future content will be Palladium ONLY. This means you play their game by their rules or you don't use their content.

P2P filetrading caused Palladium to be created and it will be the death of fair use rights. Everyone was warned about Palladium 2 years ago and it amazes me how many of you are still completely ignorant of what it is and what it means. The battle was lost years ago when the public didn't outcry when Intel and AMD happily agreed to integrate the hardware into their processors.

 

[Vic]

At which point a PC will become no more than an expensive DVD player, and the industry will tank. Enjoy!

 

[Sid59]

this thread has convinced me. I've given away my x 120 gigs and 80 gig for an old 20 gig Maxtor. Now, i won't be tempted to dl such things.

Thanks.

 

[Hankysmoo]

Originally posted by: Vic
At which point a PC will become no more than an expensive DVD player, and the industry will tank. Enjoy!

lol, exactly! The day all this happens is the day I stop using a computer.

 

[Tom]

I totally agree too. Which is why this burdgeoning attitude of piracy being a-ok ticks me off.

It's not because I care about or like the RIAA, it's because in the process of getting control of this problem a lot more than the easy ability to pirate is going to be lost.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Dead Parrot Sketch
I totally agree too. Which is why this burdgeoning attitude of piracy being a-ok ticks me off.

It's not because I care about or like the RIAA, it's because in the process of getting control of this problem a lot more than the easy ability to pirate is going to be lost.

Finally we are in agreement!
I see now that we just look at this argument from two different perspectives. I feel that intellectual property owners should (1) recognize their own duties in protecting their property and not try to legislate those duties onto others, and (2) recognize that some piracy is an inescapable aspect of their business. On that second part, think of this: would Windows or Photoshop have become the dominating applications that they are without some level of piracy? IMO, piracy has hurt the Linux community far more than it has hurt Microsoft, strange as that statement may sound at first reading.
I see your side as well, that filesharing of copyrighted property does need to be curtailed. I do agree with this. What I don't agree to is the extremely drastic and harmful measures that are being proposed and implemented.