War is good. We live in a world fun of hateful, destructive, corrupt people. Without war these people take over the world and shape to what benefits them. America is foolish to ever think otherwise. Our children will now pay for our pathetic politicians.
Really? Last I checked that's exactly what the US did.
Russia has a substantial vested interest in Crimea with its Black Sea fleet in Sevastopol. This is not our fight.
Russia has a substantial vested interest in Crimea with its Black Sea fleet in Sevastopol. This is not our fight.
simply not assuaging to u.s. demands and interests is not a violation of international law or human rights, jeez. this whole situation shows how important it is to have a balance of power in the world, you cant have one country like the u.s. bullying every other country on the planet, instituting sanctions, indicting leaders of other countries, etc...thats ridiculous
Really? Last I checked that's exactly what the US did.
Being a stickler about the US not "annexing" anyone is really detracting from the whole point which is that the US has illegally invaded and killed millions of people for "their interests". We gave the world the finger just like Russia is today.
Iraq is usually the focus in these discussions. I don't think allowing Saddam to continue his reign over the country, after the Iran/Iraq war with chemical weapons (it was a shame we were aligned with Saddam against Iran), and the genocide against the Kurds, the posturing of having WMD's, gives anyone the moral high-ground in turning their heads and ignore the situation there.Nobody is saying that Russia is in the right here. Nobody but RT and crazy people. The point is that the USA has lost the moral high ground. We are hypocrites and quite frankly us crossing the Atlantic to get militarily involved in European affairs, after the last couple decades of us destabilizing countries and regions with no good planning, is not in anyones best interests over here.
Sanctions hurt the commoners far more than it hurts the ruling class. We've had sanctions against Cuba since like forever and it hasn't done anything to alter the ruling class. Sanctions against North Korea, Iran...If the USA wants to impress me on this issue then the Obama administration should be able to form a unified front with respect to sanctions and completely shutting down the Russian economy.
What the US needs is leaders capable of leading. George W Bush, Cheney, Obama, Biden, Mitt Romney, Kerry, Edwards, McCain, Palin, etc are all a giant joke as far as possessing actual leadership skills when it counts.
Interesting, and feels out of place, piece at cnn:
http://edition.cnn.com/2014/03/07/opinion/putin-western-hypocrosy/index.html?hpt=hp_c1
As far as Iraq you're spouting rhetoric from years past. Reality at the time of our attacks was that we had demanded weapon inspectors, they were in the country, and the US then attacked anyways since the weapons inspectors weren't producing the results George W Bush wanted. He then went on to try to find weapons after the fact but that obviously failed. We didn't attack because of the Kurd attacks. Those took place in 1988 and we attacked in 2003. The Iran-Iraq War was between 1980-1988. Iraqis posturing about having WMD? Saddam insisted that he didn't have them. The justification was that since he had lied about not having them before then it made sense that he would continue to lie about them forever. The USA was unable to do any kind of real intelligence work since every analysis they made and every decision they made was based upon the ASSUMPTION that Iraq was lying and had weapons of mass destruction. In other words: Our intelligence assumed he was guilty no matter. If he said he didn't have any WMD then he was lying. If we couldn't find them then they were hiding them. It was poor intelligence work and cost the USA dearly.
Interesting, and feels out of place, piece at cnn:
http://edition.cnn.com/2014/03/07/opinion/putin-western-hypocrosy/index.html?hpt=hp_c1
As far as Iraq you're spouting rhetoric from years past. Reality at the time of our attacks was that we had demanded weapon inspectors, they were in the country, and the US then attacked anyways since the weapons inspectors weren't producing the results George W Bush wanted. He then went on to try to find weapons after the fact but that obviously failed. We didn't attack because of the Kurd attacks. Those took place in 1988 and we attacked in 2003. The Iran-Iraq War was between 1980-1988. Iraqis posturing about having WMD? Saddam insisted that he didn't have them. The justification was that since he had lied about not having them before then it made sense that he would continue to lie about them forever. The USA was unable to do any kind of real intelligence work since every analysis they made and every decision they made was based upon the ASSUMPTION that Iraq was lying and had weapons of mass destruction. In other words: Our intelligence assumed he was guilty no matter. If he said he didn't have any WMD then he was lying. If we couldn't find them then they were hiding them. It was poor intelligence work and cost the USA dearly.
So for the pro war people, how many millions of American lives are worth losing to wage a war with Russia? How many of your children are you willing to lost to starvation? Will you wave a flag while dying from radiation poisoning?
Only a fool courts an apocalypse for something like what we have going on now.
I'd say at least 3 times the number of unemployed. It would be very good for the economy.
War has always been great for the middle and lower classes because of the shear number of lives lost. These current wars of Iraq and Afghanistan have very low body counts thus not benefiting the American people as a whole economically speaking. In order to really see a successful war with Russia I'm thinking somewhere in the neighborhood of 30 million. This also implies civilian casualties so there would need to be an invasion on American soil, hopefully China teams up with Russia in order to get the desired casualties.
That number may seem shocking but Russia during WW2 lost somewhere around 30 million with approximately half the population that the USA has. Germany lost about 10% of its population which is more the number I'd be shooting for if I was concerned about the economic well-being of the USA.
What's scary is that this really is how the oligarchs view the world. We should go invade Iraq! We should get involved in Vietnam! Think of how much money I can make from every dead American!
You are correct on all terms, unfortunately the majority of people here are sadist, and feel like they are experts on politics because they watch the news at 6.
Majority of people don't look at history, they don't read up behind the scenes, heck the majority of people don't know anything other than what the news told them.
Its sad because this is how the media controls the "dummies" they tell you what they want, and they know in the end 99% of the people will believe it instantly without questioning it. You got your patriots who agree with their country no matter what the situation entails. You got your left, and right wingers....a bunch of brain dead idiots who side themselves with certain political parties. And then you got the other people who don't want to accept the fact that there is more than meets the eye.
Oh well, people will still root for war, root for foreign policies that benefit one side, root for imperialism and believe anything they hear. Nothing new, even the educated people fall prey to this kind of stupidity.
its mind boggling why more people dont see it that way. its like, what reason do you, stupid-american-who-would-otherwise-be-working-at-mcdonalds, have for going to iraq or afghanistan and killing a bunch of people and getting ptsd and losing limbs. and why arent all the unemployed idiots of which there are apparently a lot, out in the streets protesting the amount being spent on wars and on assistance to places like ukraine, when it is needed here
What's scary is that this really is how the oligarchs view the world. We should go invade Iraq! We should get involved in Vietnam! Think of how much money I can make from every dead American!
it looks like the us is trying to fight a war in ukraine using those blackwater creeps:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...lk-U-S-mercenary-outfit-deployed-Donetsk.html
it looks like the us is trying to fight a war in ukraine using those blackwater creeps:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...lk-U-S-mercenary-outfit-deployed-Donetsk.html
This is the way the world needs to be viewed. A world war with about 100m casualties would help the rest of the world out. It's like pulling straws to decide who gets to live a better life at the expense of a SMALL MINORITY!
Imagine if we could have the 50s, 60s, and 70s in terms of economic prosperity again and all we had to do was instigate another world war. The 2000s were a true bubble, but in those times it was a workforce smaller than the demand for work. It's simple economics, our workforce is too large and everybody but the elite are paying for it.
We need war, and we need it now.