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Stop renewal of USA PATRIOT Act

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cquark

Golden Member
It's time to register your opposition to the USA PATRIOT Act. The EFF action center makes it easy for you to email or fax your representatives in both houses of Congress.

Congress is poised to vote on bills that would renew some
of the most dangerous parts of the privacy-corroding USA
PATRIOT Act - while potentially giving the FBI even more
power to snoop on your mail and private records. The
debate on the House floor could begin as soon as Wednesday,
July 20, with a bill reaching the Senate floor shortly
thereafter. Now is your last, best chance to convince
your legislators to let these dangerous provisions expire
and safeguard your rights by introducing new checks
and balances. Don't let Congress decimate your civil
liberties - say no to PATRIOT renewal now!

Make your voice heard with the EFF Action Center:
http://action.eff.org/site/Advocacy?id=147
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Much better discussion on the Patriot Act than the EFF's lame ass scare mongering can be found at patriotdebates.com


And its getting renewed, because the vast majority of it is sensible legislation that has resulted in almost zero actual abuses, a couple sections will probablhy be adjusted, and the EFF should really update their petition because last I heard FBI Administrative Subpoenas had been dropped, but why would they want to ruin their fun when there's plenty of scaremongering to be done.
 
The patriot act has not had any negative affect on my life in any way as far as I can tell to date. I can't think of a single way off the top of my head that it has hurt me.
 
Originally posted by: ahurtt
The patriot act has not had any negative affect on my life in any way as far as I can tell to date. I can't think of a single way off the top of my head that it has hurt me.
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You don't judge legislation by how much it has affected you already, but how much it COULD or CAN affect you.

 
Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
Originally posted by: ahurtt
The patriot act has not had any negative affect on my life in any way as far as I can tell to date. I can't think of a single way off the top of my head that it has hurt me.
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You don't judge legislation by how much it has affected you already, but how much it COULD or CAN affect you.
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Well I was a skeptic the first time when they introduced the patriot act but it turned out not to have any bearing on my life after all since I had nothing to hide.
 
Originally posted by: ahurtt
Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
Originally posted by: ahurtt
The patriot act has not had any negative affect on my life in any way as far as I can tell to date. I can't think of a single way off the top of my head that it has hurt me.
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You don't judge legislation by how much it has affected you already, but how much it COULD or CAN affect you.
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Well I was a skeptic the first time when they introduced the patriot act but it turned out not to have any bearing on my life after all since I had nothing to hide.
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It's not about YOU. It's not about ME. It's bigger than that, it's about our Constitution. It's the "well, as long as it doesn't bother me" argument that is a recipe for disaster.
 
Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
Originally posted by: ahurtt
Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
Originally posted by: ahurtt
The patriot act has not had any negative affect on my life in any way as far as I can tell to date. I can't think of a single way off the top of my head that it has hurt me.
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You don't judge legislation by how much it has affected you already, but how much it COULD or CAN affect you.
Click to expand...

Well I was a skeptic the first time when they introduced the patriot act but it turned out not to have any bearing on my life after all since I had nothing to hide.
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It's not about YOU. It's not about ME. It's bigger than that, it's about our Constitution. It's the "well, as long as it doesn't bother me" argument that is a recipe for disaster.
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I just don't see who it could bother other than somebody who's trying to hide something.
 
By manufacturing a foreign terror, the people will give up their rights and civil liberties for national security. ahurtt is the perfect example.
 
Originally posted by: mOeeOm
By manufacturing a foreign terror, the people will give up their rights and civil liberties for national security. ahurtt is the perfect example.
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And as a result, he'll get neither.
 
Originally posted by: mOeeOm
By manufacturing a foreign terror, the people will give up their rights and civil liberties for national security. ahurtt is the perfect example.
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But that's just it. . .to date I have not given up a single thing. My life has not changed a single iota due to the patriot act. If I feel that the patriot act is somehow infringing on my family then I will fight it. But so far it has done nothing to hurt us. You can't ask for increased homeland security without subjecting yourself to the same security standards you are asking to be applied to everybody else. Is the gov't just supposed to take my word for it that I'm not a threat? You have to give a little to get a little. Maybe some people will not understand that until they are the victim of a crime that the Patriot Act could have prevented.
 
Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
Originally posted by: mOeeOm
By manufacturing a foreign terror, the people will give up their rights and civil liberties for national security. ahurtt is the perfect example.
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And as a result, he'll get neither.
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Now, sadly, this might be true. . .but you gotta at least try.
 
Originally posted by: ahurtt
Originally posted by: mOeeOm
By manufacturing a foreign terror, the people will give up their rights and civil liberties for national security. ahurtt is the perfect example.
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But that's just it. . .to date I have not given up a single thing. My life has not changed a single iota due to the patriot act. If I feel that the patriot act is somehow infringing on my family then I will fight it. But so far it has done nothing to hurt us. You can't ask for increased homeland security without subjecting yourself to the same security standards you are asking to be applied to everybody else. Is the gov't just supposed to take my word for it that I'm not a threat? You have to give a little to get a little. Maybe some people will not understand that until they are the victim of a crime that the Patriot Act could have prevented.
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You say that now.....but once it is too late to fight it and it cannot be changed. You will be whining.
 
Its been around 4 years, if it was so terrible you'd think you'd have some examples of it by now. Its not like its some pending legislation and we're not sure how its going to play out int he real world.
 
Originally posted by: Helenihi
Its been around 4 years, if it was so terrible you'd think you'd have some examples of it by now. Its not like its some pending legislation and we're not sure how its going to play out int he real world.
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Patiience young one.
 
Originally posted by: Helenihi
Its been around 4 years, if it was so terrible you'd think you'd have some examples of it by now. Its not like its some pending legislation and we're not sure how its going to play out int he real world.
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How about the two 16-year old girls that were whisked away for weeks without anybody knowing where they were? They were suspected "terrorists". They received no due process and no lawyer.

 
Originally posted by: mOeeOm
Originally posted by: ahurtt
Originally posted by: mOeeOm
By manufacturing a foreign terror, the people will give up their rights and civil liberties for national security. ahurtt is the perfect example.
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But that's just it. . .to date I have not given up a single thing. My life has not changed a single iota due to the patriot act. If I feel that the patriot act is somehow infringing on my family then I will fight it. But so far it has done nothing to hurt us. You can't ask for increased homeland security without subjecting yourself to the same security standards you are asking to be applied to everybody else. Is the gov't just supposed to take my word for it that I'm not a threat? You have to give a little to get a little. Maybe some people will not understand that until they are the victim of a crime that the Patriot Act could have prevented.
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You say that now.....but once it is too late to fight it and it cannot be changed. You will be whining.
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Maybe. Time will tell.
 
Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
Originally posted by: Helenihi
Its been around 4 years, if it was so terrible you'd think you'd have some examples of it by now. Its not like its some pending legislation and we're not sure how its going to play out int he real world.
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How about the two 16-year old girls that were whisked away for weeks without anybody knowing where they were? They were suspected "terrorists". They received no due process and no lawyer.
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Got link?
My first question would be, what were they doing that caused this to happen?
 
Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
Originally posted by: Helenihi
Its been around 4 years, if it was so terrible you'd think you'd have some examples of it by now. Its not like its some pending legislation and we're not sure how its going to play out int he real world.
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How about the two 16-year old girls that were whisked away for weeks without anybody knowing where they were? They were suspected "terrorists". They received no due process and no lawyer.
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Maybe you should give some sort of evidence that this happened as you say it did?

Then some evidence that even if it did, that it had something to do with PATRIOT.
 
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