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Originally posted by: conjur
US consumer confidence dives
http://afr.com/articles/2005/04/27/1114462068160.html
US consumer confidence tumbled in April to the lowest level since last November, amid deepening concerns about the outlook for jobs and income growth, a survey showed.

The Conference Board's consumer confidence index for April sank to 97.7 from 103.0 in March. The figure was worse than the average Wall Street estimate of 98.0.

The reading has now slipped for three months running, from 105.1 in January.
No wonder with the price of gas having skyrocketed (along with oil company profits.) Maybe people judge the price of gas too much when considering the shape of the economy but since tax refunds were being sent out over the last couple months and the CCI continued to drop, that doesn't bode all too well.

Maybe, maybe not. All I can tell you for sure is that life will go on, as it always does. There are always slow times and there are always fast times, and each comes and goes in its turn.

Jason
 

ntdz

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: ntdz
http://netscape5.marketwatch.com/news/s...B62B%2D75D5ADFBD97E%7D&siteid=netscape

Best one day on the DOW in 2 years...it'll come back, don't worry.
That lasted, eh?


http://quotes.freerealtime.com/dl/frt/S
DJIA 10,151.10 -91.40

Nasdaq 1,927.44 -23.34

S&P 500 1,151.76 -10.34

Russell 2000 587.61 -8.83

You need your own TV show, Conjur! You could call it "Gloom-Mongers", "Doom-Mongers" or "My life sucks and it's all George Bush's fault!"

Markets rise and fall, people are born and die. This is called "life", and most of us understand that the ups will ALWAYS have downs in turn. Life goes on.

Jason

You're right Conjur and I both should have a show not Hannity & Colmes.

America would rather have the Liars Hannoty & Colmes than hear the truth.

The truth would hurt their feeble brains too much.

What truth? No, the truth hurts YOUR brain too much. KERRY LOST, BUSH WON, Get over it already and quit your hating. It's really getting tired and old. No, not everyone who votes for Bush is stupid. You can keep telling yourself Republicans are this and that, but the fact of the matter remains you're just a poor old democrat living in some dump of an apartment with no life other than to bash Bush. Poor you, get a life.
 

charrison

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Originally posted by: conjur
WTH does Kerry have to do with the current state of the economy?


Oh yeah...NOTHING!


So tell me... what fixes the current economy and describe what is current wrong with it? What will bring oil prices down tommorow?
 

conjur

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tomorrow? Not a lot. A truce in Iraq between the resistance and the occupation would help ease fears of further oil pipeline strikes in Iraq. The Propagandist could scale back the pressure on Chavez to ease tensions w/Venezuela. Oil companies could announce the construction of a new refinery. The dollar could rebound strongly against the euro.
 

charrison

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Originally posted by: conjur
tomorrow? Not a lot. A truce in Iraq between the resistance and the occupation would help ease fears of further oil pipeline strikes in Iraq. The Propagandist could scale back the pressure on Chavez to ease tensions w/Venezuela. Oil companies could announce the construction of a new refinery. The dollar could rebound strongly against the euro.


At this point Iraq has little to do with prices, global demand far outweighs an ocasional blown pipeline in iraq. But speaking of demand, there seems to be enough supply to take care of the demand.

New refinaries would be nice, maybe the pres should fasttrack construction of one(waiving regulations if needed)? Or maybe just mandate 3 fomulations on gas, rather than the 20+ we have now?
 

conjur

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I'm sure it's a lot more than 20. Probably that many in L.A. alone.

Another thing would be take the money to be spent on ANWR and setup alternative fuel infrastructure across the U.S. Or, begin working on effective removal of nuclear waste and start planning on building a few new nuclear reactors.
 

ntdz

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Originally posted by: conjur
I'm sure it's a lot more than 20. Probably that many in L.A. alone.

Another thing would be take the money to be spent on ANWR and setup alternative fuel infrastructure across the U.S. Or, begin working on effective removal of nuclear waste and start planning on building a few new nuclear reactors.

I agree with this. We already have effective removal of nuclear waste, we just need all the restrictions put in place by Jimmy Carter repelled so it will be worth companies' while to build nuclear reactors. There hasn't been a new reactor built in like 20 years, it's LONG overdue for some new reactors. I'm all for alternative fuel sources, as long as the transition doesn't damage our economy in the short term.
 

charrison

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Originally posted by: conjur
I'm sure it's a lot more than 20. Probably that many in L.A. alone.

Another thing would be take the money to be spent on ANWR and setup alternative fuel infrastructure across the U.S. Or, begin working on effective removal of nuclear waste and start planning on building a few new nuclear reactors.


I beleive new nuclear permits have been issued at this point. Also nuke waste storage has been solved(dry casks, recycling,turning waste to glass), only the greens protest any storage. This president is trying to move nuke power forward.

What alternative should we build infrastructure for at this point?
 

charrison

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Originally posted by: conjur
hydrogen - president has put reseach money this way.
FFV-??
ethanol-- more big farm subsidies?
natural gas--from where? Maybe those places the pres opened up for exploration?
electric -- more nukes, check
etc.

looks like the pres is going the direction you want, when it comes to energy.
 

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Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: conjur
WTH does Kerry have to do with the current state of the economy?


Oh yeah...NOTHING!


So tell me... what fixes the current economy and describe what is current wrong with it? What will bring oil prices down tommorow?

This?

 

conjur

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Jun 7, 2001
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Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: conjur
hydrogen - president has put reseach money this way.
FFV-??
ethanol-- more big farm subsidies?
natural gas--from where? Maybe those places the pres opened up for exploration?
electric -- more nukes, check
etc.
looks like the pres is going the direction you want, when it comes to energy.
mm hmmm

He postures a lot and if he's doing anything along any of those lines it's certainly not for the environment or for pragmatic purposes, it's solely for his business buddies to continue to make bank.
 

1EZduzit

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Feb 4, 2002
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Originally posted by: conjur
If Europe can handle nuclear power (hell...Iran can do it), why can't we?

I think most of the negative reaction against nuclear power is where will they be located? Nobody wants them in their backyard.
 

charrison

Lifer
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Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: conjur
hydrogen - president has put reseach money this way.
FFV-??
ethanol-- more big farm subsidies?
natural gas--from where? Maybe those places the pres opened up for exploration?
electric -- more nukes, check
etc.
looks like the pres is going the direction you want, when it comes to energy.
mm hmmm

He postures a lot and if he's doing anything along any of those lines it's certainly not for the environment or for pragmatic purposes, it's solely for his business buddies to continue to make bank.



So answer me this.

How do you explore for natural gas without having ant affect on the environment and not "aid" the oil industry?

How do you devolope ethonal and not "aid" the farming industryindustry?


simple questions...
 

conjur

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You don't. But, you're missing the point I was making. The president is pro-business. He's Tom DeLay with better advisors. He'll do anything that benefits businesses over individuals and the environment.
 

charrison

Lifer
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Originally posted by: conjur
You don't. But, you're missing the point I was making. The president is pro-business. He's Tom DeLay with better advisors. He'll do anything that benefits businesses over individuals and the environment.



So basically you want new natural gas finds, ethonal and nuke plants, but you dont want business to do it. I guess you want these to be state run operations?
 

charrison

Lifer
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Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: conjur
If Europe can handle nuclear power (hell...Iran can do it), why can't we?

I think most of the negative reaction against nuclear power is where will they be located? Nobody wants them in their backyard.


Then build them far enough away and build new tranmissions lines to get the power where it needs to go. Pebble bed reactors are supposed to be quite safe.
 

1EZduzit

Lifer
Feb 4, 2002
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Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: conjur
hydrogen - president has put reseach money this way.
FFV-??
ethanol-- more big farm subsidies?
natural gas--from where? Maybe those places the pres opened up for exploration?
electric -- more nukes, check
etc.
looks like the pres is going the direction you want, when it comes to energy.
mm hmmm

He postures a lot and if he's doing anything along any of those lines it's certainly not for the environment or for pragmatic purposes, it's solely for his business buddies to continue to make bank.



So answer me this.

How do you explore for natural gas without having ant affect on the environment and not "aid" the oil industry?

How do you devolope ethonal and not "aid" the farming industryindustry?


simple questions...

When we develop more energy sources we are helping ourselves, not the oil industry or the farmers.
 

1EZduzit

Lifer
Feb 4, 2002
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Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: conjur
If Europe can handle nuclear power (hell...Iran can do it), why can't we?

I think most of the negative reaction against nuclear power is where will they be located? Nobody wants them in their backyard.


Then build them far enough away and build new tranmissions lines to get the power where it needs to go. Pebble bed reactors are supposed to be quite safe.

Just as long as their not in my back yard, right! As someone who lives in the boonies I can make an argument that they should be built close to the end users, especailly the end users with huge energy appetites.
 

charrison

Lifer
Oct 13, 1999
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Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: conjur
If Europe can handle nuclear power (hell...Iran can do it), why can't we?

I think most of the negative reaction against nuclear power is where will they be located? Nobody wants them in their backyard.


Then build them far enough away and build new tranmissions lines to get the power where it needs to go. Pebble bed reactors are supposed to be quite safe.

Just as long as their not in my back yard, right! As someone who lives in the boonies I can make an argument that they should be built close to the end users, especailly the end users with huge energy appetites.



Every major city will need one or two....
 

conjur

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Jun 7, 2001
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Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: conjur
You don't. But, you're missing the point I was making. The president is pro-business. He's Tom DeLay with better advisors. He'll do anything that benefits businesses over individuals and the environment.
So basically you want new natural gas finds, ethonal and nuke plants, but you dont want business to do it. I guess you want these to be state run operations?
And, yet again, my point sails HIGH over your head.
 

charrison

Lifer
Oct 13, 1999
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Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: conjur
You don't. But, you're missing the point I was making. The president is pro-business. He's Tom DeLay with better advisors. He'll do anything that benefits businesses over individuals and the environment.
So basically you want new natural gas finds, ethonal and nuke plants, but you dont want business to do it. I guess you want these to be state run operations?
And, yet again, my point sails HIGH over your head.


So who should develope new gas fields, research hydrogen fuel and ethonol? merry maid or maybe starbucks?

It is you who is missing the obvious. But given the size of partisan blinders as of late, I am suprised you can see at all.