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Stimulus Loophole Gives 300,000 Jobs to Illegals

OutHouse

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wow some change we can count on!!! can somebody please tell me what is so wrong with making sure a person is a citizen???



http://www.newsmax.com/headlin...2009/03/09/190028.html

An estimated 300,000 construction jobs paid for by the stimulus plan will go to illegal workers after leading Democrats removed a provision requiring verification of citizenship, a leading immigration expert tells Newsmax.

The House version of the $787 billion stimulus bill required verification of the legal residency of anyone put to work by its spending. But that provision was removed from the bill before members of Congress met to reconcile the House and Senate versions of the bill.
 

Red Dawn

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Make sure those Jobs are Union and that'll weed out the illegals. The only reason illegals are hired is because they'll work cheaper the Union members.
 

CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Make sure those Jobs are Union and that'll weed out the illegals. The only reason illegals are hired is because they'll work cheaper the Union members.
So either way, we ensure the tax payer is bent over... good idea...
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Make sure those Jobs are Union and that'll weed out the illegals. The only reason illegals are hired is because they'll work cheaper the Union members.
So either way, we ensure the tax payer is bent over... good idea...
Buy employing skilled trained union members who are American or at least legal residents?
 

Vette73

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:roll:


Are we going to have BS stories and site posted like this for the next 4 years?

That and this does not give jobs to illegals.

 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: Marlin1975
:roll:


Are we going to have BS stories and site posted like this for the next 4 years?
Like they say, what's good for the goose is good for the gander.
 

dphantom

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Originally posted by: Marlin1975
:roll:


Are we going to have BS stories and site posted like this for the next 4 years?

That and this does not give jobs to illegals.
We read 8 years of garbage, you can take back the next 4. :laugh:
 

Red Dawn

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As a side note, this ridiculous article does state that some 2 million jobs will be created by this Stimulous package. Hopefully that's not BS like the rest of the article is.
 

Robor

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Originally posted by: dphantom
Originally posted by: Marlin1975
:roll:


Are we going to have BS stories and site posted like this for the next 4 years?

That and this does not give jobs to illegals.
We read 8 years of garbage, you can take back the next 4. :laugh:
You're right. GWB and his minions did a heckova job. What were the critics thinking?!
 

TechBoyJK

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Make sure those Jobs are Union and that'll weed out the illegals. The only reason illegals are hired is because they'll work cheaper the Union members.
So either way, we ensure the tax payer is bent over... good idea...
Buy employing skilled trained union members who are American or at least legal residents?
I think he meant that Union workers are generally overpaid. I'm sure whatever job a Union worker will do for $18 an hour, and can be done by a non union, legal resident for $13-$14 an hour. that difference x 300000 is significant.

 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: TechBoyJK
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Make sure those Jobs are Union and that'll weed out the illegals. The only reason illegals are hired is because they'll work cheaper the Union members.
So either way, we ensure the tax payer is bent over... good idea...
Buy employing skilled trained union members who are American or at least legal residents?
I think he meant that Union workers are generally overpaid. I'm sure whatever job a Union worker will do for $18 an hour, and can be done by a non union, legal resident for $13-$14 an hour. that difference x 300000 is significant.
Yep a non Union Pipefitter or Electrician is just as efficient as a highly trained Union member:roll:

 

Craig234

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Originally posted by: TechBoyJK
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Make sure those Jobs are Union and that'll weed out the illegals. The only reason illegals are hired is because they'll work cheaper the Union members.
So either way, we ensure the tax payer is bent over... good idea...
Buy employing skilled trained union members who are American or at least legal residents?
I think he meant that Union workers are generally overpaid. I'm sure whatever job a Union worker will do for $18 an hour, and can be done by a non union, legal resident for $13-$14 an hour. that difference x 300000 is significant.
Ya, we needed poorer citizens. Pay them less.
 

CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: TechBoyJK
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Make sure those Jobs are Union and that'll weed out the illegals. The only reason illegals are hired is because they'll work cheaper the Union members.
So either way, we ensure the tax payer is bent over... good idea...
Buy employing skilled trained union members who are American or at least legal residents?
I think he meant that Union workers are generally overpaid. I'm sure whatever job a Union worker will do for $18 an hour, and can be done by a non union, legal resident for $13-$14 an hour. that difference x 300000 is significant.
Yep a non Union Pipefitter or Electrician is just as efficient as a highly trained Union member:roll:
Depends but as I've stated here many times - my experiences with both electricians and pipefitters is that I'd much rather have non-union. Not just because they *might* cost less than a union shop but their people are just as competent but tend to work harder. They also tend to help out to get the job done faster whether that means being flexible on working hours or by doing things that might not be their responsibility.

But sure, there are good and bad apples on both sides of this I suppose - I've just never worked with a union crew that comes close to the multiple non-union crews I've worked with.
 

Genx87

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Just classic. So who got the call from the administration to remove this? Which democrat patsy will take the fall for the administration this time?
 

Genx87

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Make sure those Jobs are Union and that'll weed out the illegals. The only reason illegals are hired is because they'll work cheaper the Union members.
Or just require proof of being a legal worker.
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: TechBoyJK
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Make sure those Jobs are Union and that'll weed out the illegals. The only reason illegals are hired is because they'll work cheaper the Union members.
So either way, we ensure the tax payer is bent over... good idea...
Buy employing skilled trained union members who are American or at least legal residents?
I think he meant that Union workers are generally overpaid. I'm sure whatever job a Union worker will do for $18 an hour, and can be done by a non union, legal resident for $13-$14 an hour. that difference x 300000 is significant.
Yep a non Union Pipefitter or Electrician is just as efficient as a highly trained Union member:roll:
Depends but as I've stated here many times - my experiences with both electricians and pipefitters is that I'd much rather have non-union. Not just because they *might* cost less than a union shop but their people are just as competent but tend to work harder. They also tend to help out to get the job done faster whether that means being flexible on working hours or by doing things that might not be their responsibility.

But sure, there are good and bad apples on both sides of this I suppose - I've just never worked with a union crew that comes close to the multiple non-union crews I've worked with.
And my anecdotal evidence is just the opposite and being in construction for many years I tend to believe mine to be more accurate. In addition when I've worked for small contractors where the Unions didn't come into play those guys made as much if not more than Union members.

 

ccbadd

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: TechBoyJK
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Make sure those Jobs are Union and that'll weed out the illegals. The only reason illegals are hired is because they'll work cheaper the Union members.
So either way, we ensure the tax payer is bent over... good idea...
Buy employing skilled trained union members who are American or at least legal residents?
I think he meant that Union workers are generally overpaid. I'm sure whatever job a Union worker will do for $18 an hour, and can be done by a non union, legal resident for $13-$14 an hour. that difference x 300000 is significant.
Yep a non Union Pipefitter or Electrician is just as efficient as a highly trained Union member:roll:
No, in my experience, the union workers are welled trained but just plain lazy and SLOW!! I'll take the non-union hand any day. I can have the same guy bend conduit and run the wire with his/her helper rather than 5 specialist that each do 15 minutes of work and want an hours pay.
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: ccbadd
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: TechBoyJK
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Make sure those Jobs are Union and that'll weed out the illegals. The only reason illegals are hired is because they'll work cheaper the Union members.
So either way, we ensure the tax payer is bent over... good idea...
Buy employing skilled trained union members who are American or at least legal residents?
I think he meant that Union workers are generally overpaid. I'm sure whatever job a Union worker will do for $18 an hour, and can be done by a non union, legal resident for $13-$14 an hour. that difference x 300000 is significant.
Yep a non Union Pipefitter or Electrician is just as efficient as a highly trained Union member:roll:
No, in my experience, the union workers are welled trained but just plain lazy and SLOW!! I'll take the non-union hand any day. I can have the same guy bend conduit and run the wire with his/her helper rather than 5 specialist that each do 15 minutes of work and want an hours pay.
You mean like posting in this thread on your employers dime?

 

aphex

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I see Newsmax used an impartial source :beer:

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CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: TechBoyJK
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Make sure those Jobs are Union and that'll weed out the illegals. The only reason illegals are hired is because they'll work cheaper the Union members.
So either way, we ensure the tax payer is bent over... good idea...
Buy employing skilled trained union members who are American or at least legal residents?
I think he meant that Union workers are generally overpaid. I'm sure whatever job a Union worker will do for $18 an hour, and can be done by a non union, legal resident for $13-$14 an hour. that difference x 300000 is significant.
Yep a non Union Pipefitter or Electrician is just as efficient as a highly trained Union member:roll:
Depends but as I've stated here many times - my experiences with both electricians and pipefitters is that I'd much rather have non-union. Not just because they *might* cost less than a union shop but their people are just as competent but tend to work harder. They also tend to help out to get the job done faster whether that means being flexible on working hours or by doing things that might not be their responsibility.

But sure, there are good and bad apples on both sides of this I suppose - I've just never worked with a union crew that comes close to the multiple non-union crews I've worked with.
And my anecdotal evidence is just the opposite and being in construction for many years I tend to believe mine to be more accurate. In addition when I've worked for small contractors where the Unions didn't come into play those guys made as much if not more than Union members.
That's fine but you are coming from the point of being one - not having to work with(or actually them for us) them. The only time money really seems to become an issue is when my contractors go outside their territory and have to charge my project prevailing wage(which is bullshit) and also have to pull the deadbeats from the local hall. I deal with NONE of that if I have a non-union contractor. It simply makes my life easier and the work quality doesn't differ.


But back to the OP - I agree with Genx87 -
Or just require proof of being a legal worker.
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Make sure those Jobs are Union and that'll weed out the illegals. The only reason illegals are hired is because they'll work cheaper the Union members.
Or just require proof of being a legal worker.
Isn't that on the Employer by law?

 

MovingTarget

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Make sure those Jobs are Union and that'll weed out the illegals. The only reason illegals are hired is because they'll work cheaper the Union members.
Or just require proof of being a legal worker.
Isn't that on the Employer by law?
In theory it might be, but iirc, the everify program was gutted recently... :(
 

CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Make sure those Jobs are Union and that'll weed out the illegals. The only reason illegals are hired is because they'll work cheaper the Union members.
Or just require proof of being a legal worker.
Isn't that on the Employer by law?
:laugh: Buahahahaha!!!!!!!!1!! ... hahahahahahahahahaha ...... hahahahahahahahahaha!!!

Damn you are hilarious!
 

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