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Still using E8400, time to jump ship?

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oneofusjustin

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So i have a Champion of an E8400 e0 stepping over volted and under cooled running 4.3ghz for YEARS now. This cpu WILL be framed and retired on my wall as if it were a Jordan jersey . However, in BF3 its finally showing its age in online play. and when BF4 and Relm Reborn come out this fall i want to be ready!

So my question to you is this... Whats on the roadmap? it looks like Ivy-E will be like $500 bucks right since its 6 cores? and Nvidia just launched its 700 rebrand series. Is there anything on the 6 month horizon or is this the flat place in the valley where a guy like me will benefit from an upgrade at the "correct" time... there are SO many codenames for stuff on road maps that i just dont know what they are I just wanna make sure im not missing something. Nvidia isnt rolling out new stuff till 2014?


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If i do upgrade now Is there ANY point in saving a few bucks on like a 2600k? or just jump into haswell? I feel like all the guys bashing haswell are guys with sandy and ivy chips who really have no reason to upgrade. but as an e8400 guy willing to Delid on day 1, can i really even consider their complaints or do they not apply to me?
 
Do you live near a Microcenter? (www.microcenter.com)

You can pick up 3570k with mobo for under $250. Maybe less depending on the sales.

I too jumped shark this year from e5300 to the 3570k. I am not even messing with OC'ing until it deems necessary.
 
You don't need Ivy-E to replace your E8400. Your chip is so underpowered for BF3 that just about any modern hyperthreading dual-core would smoke it.

You will benefit tremendously going to a 2500K, 2600K, 3570K, 3770K, 4670K, or 4770K. Just figure out your budget and go from there.

Haswell is 9% faster than Ivy Bridge on average, but it also hits overclocks under water that are about 5% lower, so it's almost a wash. Since it's also marked up right now, if you're buying immediately, go with Ivy Bridge. A 2600K is fine too, but you probably won't find a great deal on one.

And by the way, you won't need to de-lid to get a performance jump in BF3. A 2500K at stock would double what you have right now, assuming you have a modern video card.
 
money isnt a huge issue i got $1500 or so to throw at a new cpu gpu ram and mobo. I am more worried about whats just "over the next hill" on the roadmaps.
 
You'll be waiting 6 months for Ivy Bridge-E, which will bring incremental updates to Sandy Bridge-E while having a platform that's actually behind Haswell in terms of features.

You'll be waiting a year until the Haswell refresh at 14nm.

You should upgrade now. Perhaps you can list out any current parts you'd consider rolling over to your next build, where you'll be buying from, and what your resolution is. Then you'll get more specific suggestions.
 
just gonna roll case PSU, Case, Storage HDD , and DVD burner into new rig...Running Dual 1920x1200 monitors...looking at

4770k
Mobo- up in the air
Ram-16gb Up in the air.. i have no idea will be my first DDR3 Overclock, whats good?
SSD - Vertex 4
Cooling- Either a closed loop water or the NZXT havik 140
Soundcard- I have a Soundblaster x-fi Gamer.. but do we even need soundcards anymore?
GPU- MSI GTX 770

Would also consider a new case ATX mid tower but MUST have sound dampening foam and hidden cable management or im not interested
 
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oneofusjustin said:
just gonna roll case PSU, Case, Storage HDD , and DVD burner into new rig...Running Dual 1920x1200 monitors...looking at

4770k
Mobo- up in the air
Ram-16gb Up in the air.. i have no idea will be my first DDR3 Overclock, whats good?
SSD - Vertex 4
Cooling- Either a closed loop water or the NZXT havik 140
Soundcard- I have a Soundblaster x-fi Gamer.. but do we even need soundcards anymore?
GPU- MSI GTX 770

Would also consider a new case ATX mid tower but MUST have sound dampening foam and hidden cable management or im not interested
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In regards to RAM, honestly decent quality DDR3 is abound and there is no need to pay for anything flashy or branded as "super mega overclocker". Just pick up something like this.

If you want good air cooling without resorting to a water set up, check out phanteks


Sound cards are more or less useless (software features can be cool tho) on normal sound equipment, if you have high quality stuff you should be using external AMP/DAC type stuff anyway.
 
mnewsham said:
In regards to RAM, honestly decent quality DDR3 is abound and there is no need to pay for anything flashy or branded as "super mega overclocker". Just pick up something like this.

If you want good air cooling without resorting to a water set up, check out phanteks


Sound cards are more or less useless (software features can be cool tho) on normal sound equipment, if you have high quality stuff you should be using external AMP/DAC type stuff anyway.
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do soundcards even offload CPU load anymore?
 
oh and im sure you all will go mad but ill more than likely be putting a killer NIC in the rig LOL! i have heard they actually work a bit in MMO PVP during mass battles!
 
oneofusjustin said:
oh and im sure you all will go mad but ill more than likely be putting a killer NIC in the rig LOL! i have heard they actually work a bit in MMO PVP during mass battles!
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MSI is including the Killer NIC on its gamer motherboard series. Pick it up in a combo with the 4770K here: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboD...=Combo.1326051

What case are you coming from? It sounds like you'd probably want something like the Corsair Obsidian 550D, Antec P280, or Fractal Design R4.

I don't think you need to worry too much about CPU loads from on-board audio.

By the way, the Vertex 4 is a bit outdated - unless you have it already, there are better options like the OCZ Vector or the Samsung 840 Pro. The OCZ Vertex 450 is also better than the Vertex 4 for less money.
 
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do soundcards even offload CPU load anymore?
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Lol, the only thing a soundcard offers is usually in terms of software and maybe an extra audio output, the best consumer soundcards might have a headphone amp built in which is nice if you are rocking some decent cans but don't want to spend money on an external AMP/DAC set up. However, most people have your basic 2.1 setup maybe a low quality 5.1 setup and gaming headset. If you had $400+ headphones I would say there are soundcards that are out there that would be better than built in sound, however if you are spending $400+ on headphones you can probably afford to pay for the external AMP/DAC as well, and as such a moot point for most people 😛


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Sound cards don't do anything but add software.
 
octopuss since you are implying you hold some greater knowledge on the subject do tell, or do we just have another snarky comment expert?
 
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I do not, but there's enough evidence on the internets to conclude sound cards are not as useless as the guy above you says.
 
Octopuss said:
I do not, but there's enough evidence on the internets to conclude sound cards are not as useless as the guy above you says.
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Please I beg of you to show me any hard data that supports that the average soundcard can beat out a modern onboard sound processor. I actually would value such data so I could make a more informed opinion, as you obviously know more about the subject than me, I leave the burden for providing the proof up to you.
 
Have you ever read a review of any of the higher end soundcards in last say five years?

Or let's put it in another way: Are you saying that integrated sound chip (be it a Realtek, Via, or whatever) on a motherboard manufactured in last year or something (guess that's new enough) produces sound equally good (or better) to a higher end soundcard? Are you really?
 
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Octopuss said:
Have you ever read a review of any of the higher end soundcards in last say five years?
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We aren't talking about high end sound cards, i even said high end sound cards paired with decent headphones can improve sound over the base motherboard sound, HOWEVER if you are dropping that kind of money, you might as well surpass anything an onboard soundcard can do and go for an external setup that will have much higher quality components and amplification.
 
Dude I know how you feel, I retired my legendary Athlon XP-2500 just last year around this time, been using that thing for over 8 years(1/2004 - 5/2012). As I had no space to keep the hardware for collection, I disassembled it along with other older rigs and sold the parts. It was still completely functional, clean and tidy as all of my rigs ever were. But I really got to the point that it was enough and it had to go to heaven.

Ok enough drama, to the topic :biggrin:
It really depends how much you feel the bottleneck in the game, if it is bad, then upgrade now, it's good time to upgrade. There is not distinctive difference between IB and Haswell. So I just guess read the reviews and see for yourself which platform appeal to you more, you will be delidding in either case.
 
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I have an e8500 and will be upgrading soon. 4th gen core procs just came out so nothing really on the horizon. NVIDIA is in the midst of refreshing their cards, so if you are in the market for a low to mid range video card, you may want to wait for those...
 
oneofusjustin said:
oh and im sure you all will go mad but ill more than likely be putting a killer NIC in the rig LOL! i have heard they actually work a bit in MMO PVP during mass battles!
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The Killer NIC is really just an average consumer NIC paired with some traffic shaping software. You can do the same thing with any NIC if you get cFosSpeed (most ASRock motherboards come with a free version).
 
E8400 is below an i3 at stock and probably on par with a G2120. ANY i5 on the market would DOUBLE the performance you currently have.

No one cares about NICs because aside from Intel's superior prowess in that department, everyone is just "good enough" for most but not on par with Intel's NICs.

If you actually need an LGA 2011 board or chip, and you might since BF4 loves more cores, you might as well get a i7-3820 now to tread water first and then upgrade later to Ivy-E. The few months with the i7 will please you compared to the E8400 you have now.
 
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