Still no downloadable whql 7970 drivers

lavaheadache

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** this is not a rant, figured I would have to say that right away **

It's crazy that the latest 12.1 or even the 12.2 preview drivers don't include 7970 support. I'm really not complaining as my card performs great, but I just want to know why the cards seem to be getting second class driver support.

The only thing I feel as though I'm missing out on is Skyrim performance. Not low fps but more so inconsistencies.

Back when using my GTX 580 I didn't have the issue I'm about to describe. Yes I have done a fresh windows 7 64 install before you peeps suggest that.

I frequently switch between my 120hz panel an 60hz 30 incher. It wasn't unitl I got the 7970 that I was noticed a noticeable jerking/loading/frame hitching/whatevermacallit it at certain reproduceable areas of the game. At first I attributed it to the demanding requirements of 2560x1600 4Xaa with a heavily texture modded Skyrim. That was, at first, until I accidently set the refresh rate of my 120hz monitor to 60hz. Immediately upon playing I "felt" that the game as at 60hz but kept on playing since I was in the middle of a interesting mission. I soon thereafter was experiencing the same stuttering I was getting on the 30".

Basically, the game at 60hz produces random hitching and 120hz either "hides" the problem by refreshing the frames faster even though there may be sporadic frames released or the issue isn't present. I believe the former to be true.

Anyhow, The GTX 580 I felt this didn't happen although I can't be for certain since I wasn't using the 580 on the 30" due to 1.5gb frame buffer I was exceeding with said settings.

Sorry to make this a 2 topic post but, basically it is my reason for wanting WHQL's not that it would magically fix my issue.

Can anybody replicate my finding's?

60hz nets stuttering in random repeatable sections of the game and 120hz does not.
 
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AdamK47

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I don't really understand AMDs deal with hurrying up to release their high end cards and then wait several weeks to release proper drivers for it. I suppose it looks good for them to release specs and benchmark results higher than the competition. Actual usability be damned.
 

nOOky

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I'm not too pleased with the lack of new drivers myself. However the new card has performed well with the original drivers so far. It still bests my Crossfired 6870's which have more mature drivers. I haven't run into the problem you are having in any of my games, however I don't play Skyrim.
It could be a game-specific issue fixable with better drivers, but who knows how long that may take. As far as I've I've read new 7970 drivers aren't coming for months.
 

VulgarDisplay

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Everyone knows markarth destroys performance, and bethesda are the best worst game coders in the industry.
 

exar333

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I would be disappointed if I had a 7970, honestly. If I had specific driver issues, I would be more than disappointed and somewhat angry. Thankfully I have not heard of a lot of issues, so I don't know how much of a deal this will be. That doesn't mean more sever issues couldn't happen between now and when new drivers are released (TBD).
 

blackened23

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I would be disappointed if I had a 7970, honestly. If I had specific driver issues, I would be more than disappointed and somewhat angry. Thankfully I have not heard of a lot of issues, so I don't know how much of a deal this will be. That doesn't mean more sever issues couldn't happen between now and when new drivers are released (TBD).

I don't think its so much driver issues, they're fine (for me at least, no problems).

Would be nice to have the new CCC 12 features though.
 

hectorsm

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It's crazy that the latest 12.1 or even the 12.2 preview drivers don't include 7970 support. I'm really not complaining as my card performs great, but I just want to know why the cards seem to be getting second class driver support.

I suspect that the new architecture has something to do with the delay. I remember Nvidia having similar delay when the 8800 series was released. It will take a while for AMD's driver team to pick up the pace for the new code. AMD might also feel it's better to release driver updates for the older card since the new 7900 series will just delay fixes for majority of people out there.
 

lavaheadache

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I don't really understand AMDs deal with hurrying up to release their high end cards and then wait several weeks to release proper drivers for it. I suppose it looks good for them to release specs and benchmark results higher than the competition. Actual usability be damned.

People with single card systems are 99% fine (number pulled from butt). It's you double and triple card users that really suffer.

I effing HATE multi gpu !!
 

96Firebird

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People with single card systems are 99% fine (number pulled from butt). It's you double and triple card users that really suffer.

I effing HATE multi gpu !!

One of the reasons I bought my motherboard when I did my new build was because of the second PCI-E slot, but now it seems like its not worth it. Sounds like when it works, the going is good. But when it doesn't, money wasted. Compound that with a new release on a new architecture, and its like started from scratch.
 

Jovec

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I believe AMD has 3 driver teams, with each team focusing on different things (new features / performance / bug fixes), and with each team's release as an independent Cat X.y release. Which is why they sometimes release a fix in one release, then it reappears in the next one (because that team is working off of older code). Or why 7970 support still isn't in the official Cat releases.
 

gramboh

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It looks bad to not have the new flagship card supported in the "normal" drivers. Especially true considering there is still a market perception that AMD has "bad drivers" in general. They really should package them up into the normal release cycle, even if it is just bundling another installer ontop of the existing one.
 

Kenmitch

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Maybe AMD feels like the drivers are good enough for now? Setting the bar for Kepler?

I guess it's possible that GCN will always have a seperate driver base than the older generations of AMD's cards. Seems like it would be easier to optimize for performance without making sacrifices for the previouse generations architecture.

I'd be kinda pissed if I had the card and had issues tho....But on the other hand it's not like the cards have been out for a long time already. Maybe a new set will be released with the 7950.
 

nOOky

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People with single card systems are 99% fine (number pulled from butt). It's you double and triple card users that really suffer.

I effing HATE multi gpu !!

Eh Crossfire and SLI are really much better than they used to be. As long as you can keep decent fps, ideally around that magic 60hz it seems to be pretty good. The only downsides are heat, power consumption, and you have a tougher upgrade path. If you have two mid-range cards stuffed in your system, you have to either replace both with one superior gpu, or buy two faster ones again.
I went from 2 HD6870's to one 7970 which is slightly faster, and a year from now I can add another and suffer with that yet another year.
 

Kloreep

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Uh, we do. The drivers are fine. We have application profiles and all that jazz. We don't have CCC version 12 yet. Whatever.

Ah. I'd figured profiles must be what you were referring to by "new CCC 12 features" - they were certainly the major difference I noticed when going to the 12.1 preview. :)
 

badb0y

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I'm a single GPU owner and the drivers seem fine.

I am guessing AMD is trying to squeeze performance out of the cards so the drivers are delayed.
 

MrK6

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Honestly, I don't understand why the 7970 series wasn't included in the 12.1's? Was it a sudden surprise to the driver team that the 79xx cards were out? In addition to getting a new marketing team, AMD needs a new driver team.
 

gramboh

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Honestly, I don't understand why the 7970 series wasn't included in the 12.1's? Was it a sudden surprise to the driver team that the 79xx cards were out? In addition to getting a new marketing team, AMD needs a new driver team.

Curious about this. Again, if people are having no issues great. It's just the perception it creates to people contemplating coming back to ATI after a long NV run - it looks odd to have separate drivers and not included new products in the normal driver stream, even a month after release, given the perception of "ATI driver problems" many people seem to have.
 

lavaheadache

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It's official, If one was to think that the .1 in 12.1 was to mean January, 7970's won't get a 12.1 driver or if they do it is way late. Not that it matters really.
 

Blastman

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I think AMD/ATI pushed to get the GCN out as soon as possible and beat NV to 0.28nm cards. Sure, they could have delayed GCN another 2 months and refined the drivers, but then you guys wouldn’t be enjoying these great new toys now. I think they will have updated drivers shortly.