Still ANOTHER Reason to not like Ashcroft...

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John Ashcroft's Drug
Money
By Ray Hartmann

On Sept. 30, the Ashcroft Victory
Committee received a $50,000 campaign contribution from the
Schering-Plough Corp., a New Jersey-based pharmaceutical
giant.

What a coincidence.

It turns out that our own U.S. Sen. John Ashcroft is one of just
nine senators sponsoring a highly controversial piece of legislation,
SB 1172, which would extend patent rights on eight drugs,
including the allergy drug Claritin, which is manufactured by none
other than Schering-Plough. If the Claritin patents are allowed to
expire as scheduled, in 2002, generic-drug manufacturers could
provide competition that would sharply lower prices for
consumers.

Were it to become law, SB 1172 would cost consumers and
taxpayers roughly $11 billion in higher prescription costs over a
10-year period, according to a study by the University of
Minnesota College of Pharmacy. The study found that extending
Schering-Plough's monopoly on Claritin alone would mean an
additional $9.64 billion in revenues to the drug company.

A coincidence? Well, we can only assume it must be, given what
David James, Ashcroft 2000 communications director, told me
Tuesday about the relationship between the campaign donation
and his support of SB 1172.

"There is no relationship," James said. "We support the bill on the
merits. Our staff has studied it, and we believe it's good
legislation.

"All this bill does is extend the right of a company to apply for
additional time on its patents. It doesn't do anything for any one
company."

That, of course, would be news to the University of Minnesota
College of Pharmacy. But, assuming the academics are
misinformed and SB 1172 really "doesn't do anything" for
Schering-Plough, why would this New Jersey company be so
generous to a Missouri senator?

"You'd have to ask them," James said. "We support this bill on its
merits."

James added that "some of the proponents out there who are
lobbing these bricks ought to be careful about who they're lobbing
the bricks at." He pointed out that the bill's author is a Democrat,
Sen. Robert Torricelli of New Jersey, who has himself received
"at least $10,000" from Schering-Plough.

Actually, James has understated a great point. Campaign records
show that Sen. Torricelli, considered a liberal, has received at
least $15,000 in direct donations and another $50,000 in soft
money from the company.

Now, I couldn't reach company officials for an explanation of
how they just happen to be dropping $50,000 campaign gifts on
senators who just happen to be supporting legislation worth $9.64
billion to them. But let's assume it's the usual stance: They just
admire the political philosophy of these fine public servants and
support them in their wonderful work.

Interesting. In terms of political philosophy, Torricelli --
pro-choice, anti-NRA and rated second to none in his liberal
voting record on social issues -- couldn't be further from
Ashcroft, who is proudly among the Senate's staunchest social
conservatives. Why, Torricelli was even in St. Louis just last
month to raise funds for Gov. Mel Carnahan, Ashcroft's
challenger in this year's Senate race.

If these monster campaign gifts aren't all about SB 1172,
Schering-Plough is one Slinky of a flexible donor when it comes
to political philosophy -- or shall we just call the company a
bipartisan purchaser of politicians?

Obviously SB 1172 is not your everyday bill, and $50,000 in soft
money is not your everyday campaign gift.

Although it has received scant coverage locally, the battle over
SB 1172 (and its House counterpart) has been furious.
Schering-Plough spent $4 million in 1998 alone in lobbying
Congress, according to Time, and an opposition coalition of
consumer and seniors' groups and generic-drug companies has
had the highly unusual success of persuading six members of
Congress, including U.S. Rep. Jo Ann Emerson (R-Cape
Girardeau), to withdraw co-sponsorship of the bill in the past
year.

Schering-Plough has already received two patent extensions of
two years each but says the additional three-year extension
proposed by SB 1172 is needed for the company to recover
research-and-development costs lost for Claritin as a result of
previous delays in securing FDA approval for the drug. Claritin
has $1.8 billion in sales nationally and $3 billion worldwide.

Every day the company enjoys patent protection is a day that
generic-drug makers cannot offer consumers a cheaper
alternative, and at $1.8 billion annually, those days are worth $5
million apiece in the U.S. alone. Dr. Stephen W. Schondelmeyer
of the University of Minnesota did the math.

"Using Claritin as a case study, Dr. Schondelmeyer finds that a
3-year delay in generic competition for Claritin would cost
American consumers $5.31 billion from 2002-2007, and another
$2.05 billion from 2008-2012," the university reported. That's
about two-thirds of the consumer cost for the eight drugs whose
makers would be helped by SB 1172.

It's no surprise then, that Schering-Plough has donated $393,500
in soft money to politicians during the current election cycle,
according to the Center for Responsive Politics. The Ashcroft
Victory Committee has received only one other gift as large as
theirs, a $50,000 donation from Anheuser-Busch.

Anheuser-Busch giving major bucks to a teetotaler? Well, at least
it shows that Ashcroft, who banned alcohol on moral grounds
from the Missouri governor's mansion for eight years, is pretty
flexible himself when selling his political soul.

Of course, Ashcroft is all about flexibility in this election year.

Why, just last week he announced he has discovered a new
election-year priority: spending federal dollars (like some
wild-eyed liberal) to the tune of $40 billion so that senior citizens
can have affordable prescription drugs.

"Prescription drug coverage is vitally important for millions of
American seniors," Ashcroft said in a press release. He said he
was responding to the concerns of seniors and other constituents.

Then again, there is the small detail that Ashcroft has voted
against such prescription-drug funding three times in the past year
and that this is the first time in his illustrious career that giving
away billions in domestic federal spending has so excited him.
This one's a pretty amazing stretch, even for Ashcroft.

Among the astonished is Larry Richardson, director for the
Campaign for Fair Pharmaceutical Competition, the coalition
fighting SB 1172.

"We sent lobbyists in to meet with Ashcroft, and they got
nowhere," Richardson said Tuesday. "It's extremely hypocritical
that he and other congressmen are now saying they're for
affordable medicine, yet they're backing a bill that will cost
consumers $11 billion in higher prescription-drug prices."

Hypocritical? Now, that's a little harsh.

Doesn't anyone believe in coincidences anymore?
 

thebestMAX

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Better still. How about another reason not to like Im Typing.

You are still on my list so dont bother replying.
 

yakko

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Please post a link to the bill in question and the current law so I can make an informed decision instead of just reading propaganda. Thanks.
 

classy

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As far as Chavez was concerned, she knowingly did something wrong and tried to cover it up. Now whether or not it was bad enough for her to withdraw herself from nomination is up for debate. But this guy Ashcroft is a true scum bag. If this lowlife is confirmed Attorney General I better not never hear any of these Republican followers ever mention Clinton's name again in conjunction with moral condemnation. This mutt has no morals at all. I just started reading about this man and its down right a disgrace. I have not really had problem with Bush so far, I didn't vote for him though. But for him to even nominate a man of this disgraceful character is an out right disgusting thing. I don't care if Bush wanted someone along party lines, but I am sure he could have chosen a more respected person than this. This man can't be trusted to enforce the laws of this nation.
 

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I doubt this is propaganda. I know for a fact that Eli Lilly in my state has been trying to desparately find anyway that they can hold onto Prozac even going so far as to try and patent manufacturing processes because the drug takes about 2 cents to make while they sell it at $10 a pill. I'm sure they would welcome and support legislation which would allow them to hang onto this drug for a longer period of time. It is their top money earner and they are considerably worried about what they will do when it's allowed to be manufactured by others for such a low cost. I wouldn't be surprised if Lilly wasn't in on this as well to keep their cash cow because they have little else in the pipeline.
 

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<< This man can't be trusted to enforce the laws of this nation. >>

And Janet Reno could? LOL.
 

thebestMAX

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Classy is getting very close to being on &quot;The List&quot;.

Give us your thoughts but leave out words like &quot;scumbag&quot; and &quot;Mutt&quot;
 

yakko

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<< I doubt this is propaganda. >>


It may not be. I want to see the information in question to make my decision though. I do not know Ray Hartmann so I don't know how well he can be trusted. So me facts and not a story by someone I've never heard of.
 

classy

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I got a question for everyone. How can Ashcroft be considered good enough to be Attorney General and yet lost re-election for the Senate to a dead man? He lost to guy who was dead. Now he's been nominated for Attorney General???????????

He said he didn't do this.
I'll let you decide.
How about the Magazine called Southern Partisan. I am not even going to say what kind of magazine it is. Its name alone should give you an idea. His interview there is highly publicized. Here's a link where someone talks about him and the magazine. Its here. This guy has got a few &quot;issues&quot;.
 

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I'm Typing and Classy.

You can sit at my dinner table anytime! Thanks for the heads up and the research you have done to expose this bozo.:)






thebestMAX
Feel free to add me to your list.:p
 

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<< If this lowlife is confirmed Attorney General I better not never hear any of these Republican followers ever mention Clinton's name again in conjunction with moral condemnation. >>



Oh, has Ashcroft been impeached, too?
 

ElFenix

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great, they are harpooning the man for saying that revisionist histories of the civil war are full of sh!t. good for them. revisionist histories also say that lee wasn't a good general, and thats simply not the case.
 

classy

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Regardless of how Ashcroft's comments or actions make him look, I am sure Bush could have chosen someone else. Red did you see how Trent Lott also interviewed for that &quot;terrific&quot; magazine. Also Ashcroft recieved a honorary degree from Bob Jones University. What the!$@$@#$%#$ People like this don't need to be put in a position where their integrity can be called into question. Postions as imporant as Attorney General need to be held by people who are respected. And to nominate a person like this who has been involved in some very serious and questionable situations like he has is wrong. I do believe its okay to chose someone along party lines though. But Bush needs to chose someone in which the character of the person can not be questioned. Ashcroft would be IMHO the wrong person to hold a postion as imporant as Attorney General. There are too many......shall we say &quot;dark spots&quot; in his past. :)
 

KarsinTheHutt

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<<<revisionist histories also say that lee wasn't a good general, and thats simply not the case.>>>

I have yet to find a book that says Lee was not a talented general.

EVERY civil war book I've read (lots of them, anyway) makes it a point that Lincoln thought very highly of Lee and wanted him to command union armies.

Would you care to list some titles of &quot;revisionist&quot; histories?
 

UnixFreak

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sounds like this guy is just about corrupt enough to join the bush team.



<< Who are you gonna trust, the people, or the government?? >>

G.W Bush



<< I cant depose my duty to uphold the laws of our constitution, but I also can't depose
the fact that I am my brother's brother
>>

-Jeb Bush, on why he needed to be involved in the selection of parties to review the election results

The great moments in Bush family history

He'll fit right in....
 

ElFenix

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Karsin - lemme dig around in my text books from last semester...

thomas l. connelly wrote in a 1969 essay published in Civil War History about how bad lee was with strategic views, he left the western confederacy open to attack, and criticized the general's tactical ability as well. and his political skill. says grant exhibited all these traits, although grant certainly exhibited no political skill when he was president. this was just the article representative of revisionist views of the civil war, so its the only one i've had to read, being a survey course from 1600 to 1900 on military history.

also, every once in a while military historians publish &quot;great captains&quot; lists, generals who changed warfare or were particularly good at it. alexander, pompey, hannibal, napoleon, churchill (sir john, ancestor of winston), the duke of wellington, rommel, patton, as well as lesser knowns like moltke, shaka zulu, a king of sweden, maurice of nassau, etc. whats interesting is that in the last 25 years, lee has dropped off these lists and been replaced by grant. for xmas last year i got my grandfather, a civil war buff, a book that not only ridiculed the northern generals but the southern ones as well. okay, bragg and hood were idiots. frankly, sherman may have been the best general in that war.
 

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This is sick. Ashcroft is not a lowlife, he is a very moral man, who actually believes something and the liberals cannot stand the idea of an upright man enforcing the law. I have found nothing that is condemning of Ashcroft, in fact the liberals have stooped so far as to attack what he believes in, then characterize that as being &quot;evil.&quot; This article in the Village Voice is one more example of how pathetic the liberal cause is. What has America come to when this is the best we can condemn the man on? Oh and on the Clariton bill. Maybe you would be interested to know why that was voted on by John Ashcroft. It was because the FDA tied took too long in approving it, taking away a considerable amount of the market time allowed by law. One might think that by letting them have their deserved market time that they &quot;actually created the drug?&quot; Again it is just the liberals expousing their entirely baseless propoganda against anything they dont believe in, labeling it as &quot;evil.&quot; Maybe someday liberals will come to the conclusion that logic is possible a good idea, then they would become conservatives.
 

Tripleshot

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DonaldDuck82

Your the only one who linked that rag.

No one says Ashcroft is a lowlife. People apposed to his confirmation are as loyal to thier postions as Ashcroft should be to his,yet it seems he can be bought quite easily.Just throw him 50G's and he'll lick your boots like a dog.

He is not worthy of the same praise Dems are ready to heap upon the likes of Powell and Cheney. If you can't deal with that reality,too bad. It has nothing to do with liberal's. It has everything to do with decency and a sense of equal,fair play. He has not demonstrated that capability.

I would rather J. Reno stay than Ashcroft be confirmed,thats how much I distrust this character.

(I get alot of mty insight about this guy from my father who lives in Missouri and is a republican and active in the party,thank you very much!)
 

KDOG

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I might raise some eyebrows from the people in this thread who know me, but I just got a gut feeling about Ashcroft that he is indeed a racsist scumbag. I just don't like him. Bush needs to pick someone else. It really doesn't matter if he is just as conservative on crime as Ashcroft, just so long as its not him.
 

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Do ANY of you people whom hate him even live in Missouri or know anything about him except what you've heard since he was nominated???? Yes he lost to Mel Carnahan's name......but he was ahead until the accident that took Carnahan's life! At that point he suspended his campaign saying he felt it was a time for missouri to mourn the late Gov. and not be concerned with a Senate race! It was to late for Carnahan's name to be withdrawn, so, shortly after that, interim Gov. Wilson announced that Gov. Carnahan's Widow would carry on for her late husbands beliefs.........The election ended up being extremely close and Ashcroft could have easily and legaly asked for a recount......but he didn't......he could also have fought it on other legal grounds.....but instead stated that the count had be completed the night of the election, and those are the results! He is a VERY straightforward man who will tell you exactly what he thinks....like it or not! If you're going to look up his past, also find that he was the highest regarded and approved of Gov. &amp; Att. Gen. in MO's history!
 

Corn

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Washington Times article regarding Ashcroft's alleged racism

Classy, you are a race baiting Nazi that consistantly exhibits the behavior in which you decry with such ferocity. You are a sad individual whose intentions are as transparent as the baggie I packed my sandwich in this morning.



<< No but it seems he is facing the same Political BS as Clinton did. >>



Actually Red, he is facing the same &quot;Political BS&quot; his father had to deal with. Do the names Tower, Bork, and Thomas ring a bell?
 

Corn

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<< (I get alot of mty insight about this guy from my father who lives in Missouri and is a republican and active in the party,thank you very much!) >>



[rolls eyes] I'm sure you do DoubleChin.