Just wondering. Anybody know how an automated manual does this. I have not driven one, but I would think the computer should find the perfect way to automate this.
I deal with it just as a regular stop light. I brake and loosen the gear. When the light turns green I put the gear in, with my foot still on the break, then quickly switch to the accelerator and accelerate.
Unless you're slow, and actually roll back more than a couple of inches, the added clutch wear from your tiny backwards momentum is no more than your added clutch wear from a split-second of fighting the parking brake would be, with that method. Frankly, neither method is "superior", but quick feet is less complicated and faster (so it's better for people who are good enough to pull it off, and don't want to be yanking the parking brake every stoplight), and the parking brake method is indeed safer (so it's better for noobs)
There isn't a difference...the handbrake is the parking brake, and the thing that holds your car on a hill in "P" in an automatic is called the parking prawl. It's not a brake, any more than shoving wedges under your tires is a brake.
Originally posted by: Gherault
I just now called my dad and asked his advice, as he's driven stick his whole life (he's 66 years old) and he says, "It depends on how steep it is, but it never hurts to use the breaks if someone is behind you." Wear and tear aside that seems like the sensible way to go, would save you from a lawsuit or insurance rate hike. So on one side you've got fuel loss, clutch wear, possible damages with the pro being able to get off the line faster- and on the other side you've got saftey, fuel savings, less chance of an accident with the con of not being as fast off the line (aka: not the first to get to the next stoplight.). I'd definetely look into the breaking routine, personally.
No lawsuit, no insurance hike--if you hit the car behind you, it's their fault, and the police report will always indicate such
Our late 50's/early 60's Studebaker Lark had a hill-holder feature - takes care of it for you. I think the Subarus have that feature now - maybe others. Lacking that, you use the handbrake as mentioned by many (I don't know what you'd do on american cars that lack a proper hand brake). You DO NOT slip the clutch... You don't do that with an auto trans either. If your pedals are set up right, you can heel and toe - use the heel of your right foot on the gas and the toe on the brake. That takes practice too. My Fiat 124 Sport Coupe had a hand throttle as well as a proper hand brake - made it fairly easy.
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thescreensavers
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It measures the incline of the car, and if it exceeds a certain value, the system will maintain brake line pressure after the driver lifts his foot off of the brake pedal. When the driver lets up on the clutch, at the point that the clutch is adjusted to make contact, the Hill Holder will release the retained pressure in the brake lines.
Exactly
That explanation sounds good to me. Probably better than I would have done it. You'd think it would be easier to do today with all the electronic controlled stuff than it was back then with all mechanical/hydraulic brake systems.
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Practice this on level ground; let the clutch out slowly enough such that you can get the car going without pushing the gas pedal. Keep letting it out until your foot is off the clutch and the car moving. (DON'T HOLD IT HALFWAY FOREVER UNLESS YOU LIKE THE SMELL OF BURNING CLUTCH!) From this exercise you'll learn the "feel" of the clutch starting to engage.
Then start on the hill the same way, except give it a bit of gas as you get the by now familiar feel of the clutch catching. Keep letting the clutch out and the engine revs CONSTANT by feeding more gas. Away you go!!!
I don't like the idea of using the handbrake (though it does work) because you'll set up a dependency that you'll have a hard time breaking. As a result (let the flaming begin), you'll never drive like a real man.
Ouch! Ouch! OK, I'm sorry.
Then start on the hill the same way, except give it a bit of gas as you get the by now familiar feel of the clutch catching. Keep letting the clutch out and the engine revs CONSTANT by feeding more gas. Away you go!!!
I don't like the idea of using the handbrake (though it does work) because you'll set up a dependency that you'll have a hard time breaking. As a result (let the flaming begin), you'll never drive like a real man.
Ouch! Ouch! OK, I'm sorry.
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you would kill your clutch in no time doing that if you lived in a hilly area lol
the proper way is just use your brake pedal with the clutch out and in neutral. when its time to go just release the brake depress the clutch get it in gear and go, if you cant do all that in under 1 second then you shouldnt be driving a stick.
its not like your gonna be climbing a wall where the car will fall 2 feet in that one second.
if the car behind you doesnt give you the one inch of space you need then thats where youwould apply the handbreak, step out of your car tell that mofo to back his dumb ass up.
other than that i wouldnt use the handbrake.
You got the order wrong. When the light is about to turn green, you push the clutch in and shift into first, keeping your foot on the brake. When the light turns green, you take your foot off the brake and give it some gas while letting the clutch out, smoothly accelerating from a stop.
It's pointless to release the brake prior to shifting into gear..it just makes you roll back more, and puts more wear on the clutch.
Too tired to read all the replies calling you a newbie, but, add mine to the 99% of the time folks who have shifter in neutral, right foot on brake (clutch not depressed). When light changes, push clutch in, shift into 1st, lift right foot of brake, move to gas, let out clutch (left foot) and accelerate (a little stronger than normal).
The first time I was in this scenario I was worried the car would rocket backwards, but, even on a steep incline the car might go back a few inches at most. Even if someone is really on your ass you shouldn't hit them and even then, if you did, they should have been so close that nothing would happen.
Anyway, Practice Practice Practice.
The first time I was in this scenario I was worried the car would rocket backwards, but, even on a steep incline the car might go back a few inches at most. Even if someone is really on your ass you shouldn't hit them and even then, if you did, they should have been so close that nothing would happen.
Anyway, Practice Practice Practice.
what dman said..except i find this similar to the "quick feet" technique (which you don't need to be too quick in).
i think this whole not using hand brake is the best solution because, as a previous poster stated, you'll get too dependant on it, not all cars have a hand brake (another user said that), and you really do need to know how to use the clutch and not refer to the hand brake unless you're parking or in some rare situations. one time i visisted san francisco and i never used the hand brake except for one time and that was when i was making a U-turn in a residential one-way road on a steep incline. i had to do a 5 point U-turn (the streets are barely wide enough for a single car to go through them let alone make it easy to make a u-turn) and only on the last time going forward did i use the hand brake because i was literally an inch away from a brand new truck that was behind me. only in that situation would i find a hand brake needed. if you're moving up an incline and there's a car right behind you, who cares if you roll back into them? all bumpers are rated at 2.5MPH and some up to 5MPH (maybe even more). your car won't exceed 2.5MPH in even 1 foot so if you hit then all is still good.
i think this whole not using hand brake is the best solution because, as a previous poster stated, you'll get too dependant on it, not all cars have a hand brake (another user said that), and you really do need to know how to use the clutch and not refer to the hand brake unless you're parking or in some rare situations. one time i visisted san francisco and i never used the hand brake except for one time and that was when i was making a U-turn in a residential one-way road on a steep incline. i had to do a 5 point U-turn (the streets are barely wide enough for a single car to go through them let alone make it easy to make a u-turn) and only on the last time going forward did i use the hand brake because i was literally an inch away from a brand new truck that was behind me. only in that situation would i find a hand brake needed. if you're moving up an incline and there's a car right behind you, who cares if you roll back into them? all bumpers are rated at 2.5MPH and some up to 5MPH (maybe even more). your car won't exceed 2.5MPH in even 1 foot so if you hit then all is still good.
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