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Stick a fork in it, Windows Phone is dead.

Artdeco

Artdeco

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4.5 million sold last quarter, almost a 60% drop, they're only ~1.1% of phones sold last quarter.

No wonder Belifore is using an iPhone.

With those kind of numbers, it's just a showcase product by MS.

I don't think a Surface Phone with functional Continuity will save them.
 
Artdeco said:
4.5 million sold last quarter, almost a 60% drop, they're only ~1.1% of phones sold last quarter.

No wonder Belifore is using an iPhone.

With those kind of numbers, it's just a showcase product by MS.

I don't think a Surface Phone with functional Continuity will save them.
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The 950 and 950XL really weren't available to anyone...and they're the only phones getting the latest versions of Windows Phone, right?
 
The sector on a whole is slowing. Windows phone probably reached its best during the Nokia 920 Era, but since then just like for Android phones we're stuck at thermal limits. Furthermore, with prices so low now you can get a used iPhone for reasonably cheap.

I also disagree with the windows phone 10 brushed glass look. The old look was great.
 
i tried a windows phone and it was bad. not even 1 free app to control my squeezebox. on google, there are at least 3 free and 2 paid versions.

if MS wants to win, it doesnt have to have 1 billion apps, all it has to do is let people side load android or ios apps. blackberry realized that already (although i dont have a blackberry to try to install an android app). nobody has to reinvent the wheel.
 
Too bad if true. Windows Phone was really the first "modern" flat UI if you think of it. Plus it pushed camera quality and functionality on low-end hardware more than any ecosystem at its peak.

I have only owned a Windows burner phone, but from that I was impressed.
 
Now's too late to make gains in a market that is very well defined. They had their chance when Android was in growing pains.

What's left for Microsoft is either to stick to Office and PC, or find some brand new market (if they want any growth).
 
Ever since it debuted, I've seen a total of 3 Windows phone out in the wild and I live in a big, congested metro area.
 
Eug said:
Windows Phone has never been alive.
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I don't follow the phone market closely, but it continues to boggle my mind how badly Microsoft has failed especially if you go back 10-15 years and remember their initial Windows CE offerings. They had YEARS to corner the market and couldn't.

I can tell you this from my anecdotal evidence as a consultant who works with huge companies and their IT departments - I have never seen a single company standardize on or extensively use Windows Phone. I'm not saying it is a bad product, but at this stage, it is probably too late for MS.
 
IndyColtsFan said:
I'm not saying it is a bad product, but at this stage, it is probably too late for MS.
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I disagree. There's a huge space between "not worth doing" and "market leader". They could still occupy somewhere in that space, and if I were running the company, I'd be looking into making the Winphone a convergence device a la Ubuntu phone vaporware.
 
I had a WP7 phone, and it was just missing many of the basic features of a phone and apps. WP10 has so much potential with the universal apps and Continuum (nice of MS to knock off Apple), and it's a shame it hasn't gotten traction. The phones are dirt cheap, and the hardware offers amazing value. The app situation is still horrible, and no support from Google = no go for me.
 
lxskllr said:
I disagree. There's a huge space between "not worth doing" and "market leader". They could still occupy somewhere in that space, and if I were running the company, I'd be looking into making the Winphone a convergence device a la Ubuntu phone vaporware.
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Yeah, I could be wrong but I'm using past history for guidance. It seems that when a new technology industry is founded, several players jump in and then it is gradually pared down to 2 large rivals. Consolidation always seems to happen. We saw it with PCs - remember Commodore, Atari, Acorn, NeXT, and I'm sure a few others I've forgotten? We saw the last major competitors to Apple and IBM (which I'm using loosely to describe the DOS/Windows camp) die off in the mid 90s.

Windows Phones are currently fringe products and I imagine that their best hope is to make kickass phones in terms of hardware and have them run Android if they want to play in that space. Otherwise, I don't think MS gains any additional traction. There is nothing inherently wrong with their phones and they integrate pretty well with some of their backoffice products, but even that hasn't been enough to get them huge penetration into corporate IT departments. And don't even think about them capturing a significant share of the consumer market - I don't see that happening at all unless a HUGE advance occurs and MS pounces on it.
 
MS's best hope is to just abandon the platform, and allow hardware to catch up with what their ultimate goal seems to be: Full Windows on a phone, with an Intel cpu. I think that concept has legs. I thought the concept behind the Atrix was cool, it just had the wrong chip architecture and was ahead of it's time. It would cannibalize Surface Tablet and Notebook sales, but if you're not cannibalizing your own products, someone else will do it.


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If it was full Windows running on a phone I would definitely buy it. I have been running Win10 on my backup Nokia 1020 and it's not too bad...just missing apps.
 
The phones are fine. Its windows that kinda sucks at this point. Which is why no one develops for it.

Basically after windows 7, microsoft self destructed.

They released windows 8, 8.1 with the most ridiculous unnecessary UI changes that drove away all their fans. It was a turd.
Windows 10 is simply a polished turd.

And even then windows 10 is craziness. The OS UNINSTALLS THINGS? without my consent? Ive never heard of such a thing?!!

The strong arm tactics of trying to get people to upgrade, the blatant spying, basically telling you THIS IS NOT YOUR DEVICE ANYMORE, you are just using it.

Why in gods name would anyone want their phone, their important phone, having that abysmal system on it just for a tad more compatibility?

Compared to iOS and android, windows is bloated and slow and is now basically the only system not derived from UNIX which says something imo.

Most of MSs services are not as good as Googles and Apples anymore.

Microsoft scared away half their customers and enraged and insulted the rest.

Its insane how they ruined their company in such a short time. I bought a small windows 10 tablet to try it out, its barely usable, slow, hard to use with fingers, my 70$ 10" chinese crap android tablet works way better.

The day Google makes a fully functional desktop OS that OEMs will ship, MS is over with.

Its kinda sad. I feel bad for Microsoft lol.
 
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The amount of paranoia and baseless speculation in this thread is ludicrous.

If that Surface phone with an Intel chip and real Windows were a thing, I think people would be surprised just how many Android people would shift over. I know I would.
 
sweenish said:
The amount of paranoia and baseless speculation in this thread is ludicrous.
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The title is a bit trollish admittedly but the message seems pretty accurate.
WPs market share has gone down significantly from a position where most people thought that it was impossible to go down from.

1.1%

sweenish said:
If that Surface phone with an Intel chip and real Windows were a thing, I think people would be surprised just how many Android people would shift over. I know I would.
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Why? Phone hardware is pretty underpowered for running anything intensive and most other stuff works in the cloud so you get a seamless handover of files at the moment anyway.
 
They already tried the Windows on a handheld thing eons ago. That's one reason IMO why they failed so hard in the first place. Start button on a handheld? Really?

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sweenish said:
The amount of paranoia and baseless speculation in this thread is ludicrous.

If that Surface phone with an Intel chip and real Windows were a thing, I think people would be surprised just how many Android people would shift over. I know I would.
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That is even speculation. Intel is not even a stranger to mobile devices, there have been phones there w/ Intel chips. I would love a Surface phone w/ an Intel CPU, but that won't solve anything. The problem is really apps, and developers haven't jumped on-board w/ universal apps. I could see the Continuum dock (a la Surface Book dock) being the "next big" thing (along w/ proper developer support for universal apps) that gains traction for Windows Mobile. Think of it like a laptop w/ a dock and a mobile device that you carry everywhere.
 
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