Steve Jobs making his UFO in cupertino, shows city council:D

[Acanthus]

Plus, lots and lots of glass = a ton of energy for the AC. Glass lets in lots of sunlight and doesn't provide any insulation.

Personally im waiting to see if they've thought about how curved glass can concentrate sunlight.

No one is going to want the window offices.

 

[ViviTheMage]

Also interesting that Steve Jobs talks about this building the same way he talks about Apple products.

It's because his job is to sell stuff now, and the method that worked for apple merchandise, works for selling his building idea to the council as well.

 

[dennilfloss]

The Green Giant will finally be able to play lawn darts.

ho ho ho

 

[Printer Bandit]

how did this guy get elected mayor? needs public speaking 101:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FEwHk9Ap7I&feature=player_embedded

 

[ViviTheMage]

how did this guy get elected mayor? needs public speaking 101:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FEwHk9Ap7I&feature=player_embedded

uhh, uhhhhhhhhhhhh, uh, uhhh, uhuhuhuhuhuhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, uh





uh

 

[LookBehindYou]

Check this out.

http://www.cupertino.org/Modules/ShowDocument.aspx?documentid=4676

 

[Dubb]

Kind of besides the point, this is california sprawl, very few of their workers probably can or would bike or walk to work by default.

The point is that most cutting edge master planning these days is working towards providing (or providing a complementary framework for) mixed use and pedestrian friendly environments - even if that's not the case today, over time things move in that direction as traffic volumes increase. Master planning is done for the future, not the present.

The apple campus plan works against that. The master plan looks 1960s-ish.

 

[bignateyk]

Check this out.

http://www.cupertino.org/Modules/ShowDocument.aspx?documentid=4676

Whats with the low quality/low resolution renderings? They must have been done on a mac...

 

[0roo0roo]

The point is that most cutting edge master planning these days is working towards providing (or providing a complementary framework for) mixed use and pedestrian friendly environments - even if that's not the case today, over time things move in that direction as traffic volumes increase. Master planning is done for the future, not the present.

The apple campus plan works against that. The master plan looks 1960s-ish.

Yea but that doesn't make any sense there because if you can't afford a house right by your work it makes no difference at all. Mixed use only works for some dense down town type areas.
http://www.trulia.com/real_estate/Cupertino-California/market-trends/

 

[BoomerD]

Well it's not regular glass, it's iGlass, so it should offer plenty of insulation, never scratch, never get dirty, never break, and is multitouch. Yeah I said it, multitouch windows.

word.

It won't have any "glass," Apple products never did do Windows very well...

 

[ProfJohn]

Personally im waiting to see if they've thought about how curved glass can concentrate sunlight.

No one is going to want the window offices.

It is concave glass that works as a magnifying glass.

The glass in this build will be convex. Windows shaped like that won't focus sunlight.

 

[isekii]

how did this guy get elected mayor? needs public speaking 101:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FEwHk9Ap7I&feature=player_embedded

his dashing hairstyle ?

 

[Homerboy]

But the CEO of the company which is the single biggest taxpayer in Cupertino also got the VIP treatment from visibly fawning council members.

They won't deny him ANYTHING.

 

[Dubb]

Yea but that doesn't make any sense there because if you can't afford a house right by your work it makes no difference at all.
http://www.trulia.com/real_estate/Cupertino-California/market-trends/

I wouldn't generalize so broadly. Apple certainly has some percentage of wealthier employees, not everyone buys, urban living is rising in popularity after 50 years of suburbs, etc. Economics and market desires have this funny quality of not being static.

I'll say again that we're speculating on the future here (average commercial building has a lifespan of ~40 years), not today.

The "walk to work" thing is an easy example of how the campus doesn't really interface with the surrounding environment, but it's far from the only issue.

Think about how inconvenient it is if you want to go off campus for lunch.

Mixed use only works for some dense down town type areas.

That's just plain false. Small-medium sized towns, research/tech parks, landfill/brownfield reclamation projects... people are realizing that it's easier and cheaper to set up a framework for things to grow organically than it is to deal with the expensive infrastructure issues that arise from how things were done 40-50 years ago.

 

[0roo0roo]

I'm sorry, the fact is if it takes a few wealthier employees to actually have anyone be able to practically bike to work your idea of a lot of effort for mixed use for a tiny percentage of people is about as far from green as it gets.

Frankly it is more efficient if a huge chunk is centralized, you don't have 12 thousand employees driving around finding lunch every day.

 

[KeithP]

That's odd...the guy that plays "Lloyd" on "Entourage" is on the city council.

-KeithP

 

[preslove]

I wouldn't generalize so broadly. Apple certainly has some percentage of wealthier employees, not everyone buys, urban living is rising in popularity after 50 years of suburbs, etc. Economics and market desires have this funny quality of not being static.

I'll say again that we're speculating on the future here (average commercial building has a lifespan of ~40 years), not today.

The "walk to work" thing is an easy example of how the campus doesn't really interface with the surrounding environment, but it's far from the only issue.

Think about how inconvenient it is if you want to go off campus for lunch.



That's just plain false. Small-medium sized towns, research/tech parks, landfill/brownfield reclamation projects... people are realizing that it's easier and cheaper to set up a framework for things to grow organically than it is to deal with the expensive infrastructure issues that arise from how things were done 40-50 years ago.

Dub speaks the truth.

 

[dwell]

I like how his presentation is like an Apple keynote. "Previous landscape coverage was 20&#37; <next slide> Our landscape coverage is 80%".

 

[zoiks]

The place is like 1/2 mile from where I live and is on the same road. Wolfe Rd was already busy as heck during peak hours. One thing for sure, property values are going to go up around here.

 

[zoiks]

But hopefully this isn't his last mark of his legacy to promote the company that he built from the ground up. I don't really care for his policies or his company in general but there's no denying that he's an amazing visionary and hell of a CEO.

 

[GundamW]

iBuilding?

 

[Bacstar]

Well it's not regular glass, it's iGlass, so it should offer plenty of insulation, never scratch, never get dirty, never break, and is multitouch. Yeah I said it, multitouch windows.

word.

uhoh, and you can't say i-"anything" and windows together. Ooops! I did it too...

 

[quikah]

Yea but that doesn't make any sense there because if you can't afford a house right by your work it makes no difference at all. Mixed use only works for some dense down town type areas.
http://www.trulia.com/real_estate/Cupertino-California/market-trends/

You can get a house for 1/2-3/4 that price a few miles north or east.

Think about how inconvenient it is if you want to go off campus for lunch.

They will obviously have a cafeteria. I work in a similar area on a fairly large campus (4000 or so), only a small percentage go off campus for lunch. There is also a asian strip mall across the street with a dozen or so Chinese/Taiwanese/etc. restaurants in it, plus 1 English pub (really sticks out).

 

[Dubb]

I'm sorry, the fact is if it takes a few wealthier employees to actually have anyone be able to practically bike to work your idea of a lot of effort for mixed use for a tiny percentage of people is about as far from green as it gets.

Frankly it is more efficient if a huge chunk is centralized, you don't have 12 thousand employees driving around finding lunch every day.

I'm not sure you've understood what I've been saying; or at least not in similar context or scale. It may simply be a misreading of similar terms or I-don't-know-what. I also think you're broadly generalizing what is really a very economically diverse group of people (those who live in cities) and obsessing over present conditions rather than potential (and demonstrable) conditions.

I'd suggest reading some of the ULI publications, or maybe one of Alan Berger's books.

They will obviously have a cafeteria. I work in a similar area on a fairly large campus (4000 or so), only a small percentage go off campus for lunch. There is also a asian strip mall across the street with a dozen or so Chinese/Taiwanese/etc. restaurants in it, plus 1 English pub (really sticks out).

Which is exactly the sort of situation many planners are trying to avoid; people feeling like they're "stuck at work" because they have so few options in a cloistered campus.

Consider this: Jobs said that currently they're renting space all over the city to house the workers that will eventually wind up working in the spaceship. I'm assuming that most of this rented space is in urban areas where a range of retail and restaurants is close by.

How are they going to feel when suddenly the only practical option is the company cafeteria?

 

[Wreckem]

Except it's not that green to throw tons of functional existing buildings into a landfill, and it really doesn't integrate with the surrounding city at all.

Who's going to walk or bike to work there? Might get a few bikers, but no one is going to walk.

The message of his presentation was really, really strange: office campuses are bad except when apple does it and tosses in a few green gimmicks.

better than many suburban office parks, but far short of potential.

edit: just did the math on how big that building is, given typical tech office square footages of 200-250 rentable s.f. per worker (all in)

12,000 workers = 2.4 million sf - 3 million s.f.

What do you meant throw functional buildings into the landfill? I thought the land they are building on is mostly empty.

As for Infinite Loop, they are said to be keeping it and will still be using it after the new building opens. There was talk of linking the two by tunnel but doubt that ever goes anywhere.