Stereo amp recommendations

OVerLoRDI

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I need a new stereo amp but the world of home audio is not my strong suit. I am a bit of a headphone audiophile, but when it comes to speakers and amps, I know nothing. I got my hands on 4 Bose 301 Series IV speakers when someone upgraded their system. One of the speakers sounds like the tweeter and lower range driver are busted, so I'm left with only 1 pair, hence why I only care about stereo.

The only stereo amp I have is an old Harmon/Karmon that sounds like trash for some reason. I've hooked these speakers up to my old Denon AVR-3300 and the speakers sound great, till the Denon overheats.

I'm comfortable buying used amps and my budget isn't exactly extravagant, I just need something that can drive these speakers properly and sounds good. Just looking for brand names or models I should keep an eye out for or if anyone here has an old stereo amp they want to sell.

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BassBomb

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how do you become any type of audiophile and get bose?

are you sure you are paying attention to resistance of the speakers to what reciever you put? a nice denon shouldn't fail like that
 

OVerLoRDI

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how do you become any type of audiophile and get bose?

are you sure you are paying attention to resistance of the speakers to what reciever you put? a nice denon shouldn't fail like that

Because I got the speakers for free. I know Bose sucks for the money. These are the large home theater speakers, not the stupid cube ones so they are not terrible, but what they cost the original owner he could have done better.

The speakers are rated for 8 ohms and the Denon is rated for 6-16 ohms
 
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s44

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Sell the Bose. There are lots of idiots so the resale value is high.
 

alkemyst

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Bose in and of itself is not always bad. The 901 series were pretty good for small setups.

I am not familiar with 301's but contact Bose for replacement parts.

Your Denon more than likely has an impediance setting make sure it's set at 8ohms.

For the most part buying a 5.1 / 7.1 setup will give you the best bang for buck in stereo sound too. If you want a dedicated stereo amp, you will more than likely pay more.
 

blackangst1

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You didnt indicate you needed a receiver, so, with just amp in mind, I would start trolling Craigslist for a used Carver.
 

OVerLoRDI

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I'll look around more on the amp and see if there are settings for impedance, but I didn't see any in the config menu nor on the back of the amp. The unique thing about the overheating is that only the front right channel is affected. All other channels sounds perfectly normal, but the amp does get quite hot.

I think trolling Craigslist may be my best option. My budget is quite limited, so used stereo amps from the 80s are likely my best bet.
 

slashbinslashbash

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You may want to open up the Denon and see if there's something visibly wrong. Maybe a heatsink has fallen out of place, or a fan doesn't work any more. An 80mm PC fan will fit in most receivers and help to move air through it.

Craigslist would be my first stop. Pawnshops are a good bet too.
 

electroju

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I would put an exception to BOSE 301, but the 901 is out of the question. Good speaker brands are PSB and Klipsch, but there are others. Big floor standing speakers are good for music because they can handle bass well. There is always the DIY route for speakers. The DIY route is must for good subwoofers. Subwoofers and music does not mix well because most subwoofer are slow and it will lose stereo imagery

Probably your Denon fried because of a bad solder joint. AV receivers like the Denon is not designed for musical output. You need a professional amplifier for that or an amplifier that is well built. For any amplifier, do not put it in a close space like a cabinet.

A good example of a good amplifier is the Marantz SR4023. It can handle a wide range of impedance and it should be good for musical output with out straining since it consumes enough power. Any cheaper will hurt the quality of the amplifier.
 

kornphlake

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I would put an exception to BOSE 301, but the 901 is out of the question. Good speaker brands are PSB and Klipsch, but there are others. Big floor standing speakers are good for music because they can handle bass well. There is always the DIY route for speakers. The DIY route is must for good subwoofers. Subwoofers and music does not mix well because most subwoofer are slow and it will lose stereo imagery

Probably your Denon fried because of a bad solder joint. AV receivers like the Denon is not designed for musical output. You need a professional amplifier for that or an amplifier that is well built. For any amplifier, do not put it in a close space like a cabinet.

A good example of a good amplifier is the Marantz SR4023. It can handle a wide range of impedance and it should be good for musical output with out straining since it consumes enough power. Any cheaper will hurt the quality of the amplifier.

I'm not sure where you are getting your information, but to me it seems only 50% accurate.

There are a number of good speakers that are great for music and home theater and there are are a number of subs that are great for reproducing music, although they may not be available at best buy and they may cost more than $200. A subwoofer can't affect stereo imagery because the wavelengths produced by a sub are larger than your head, your ears aren't able to locate the sub in a well tuned system because the sound from the sub reaches both ears at the same time. If you think you can hear a sub's location it's either playing frequencies that a sub shouldn't be playing or it's because you can see the sub and your eyes are fooling your ears. Inexpensive subs intended only for home theater do not reproduce music very well because the driver isn't constructed to move fast enough to reproduce highly dynamic sounds found in music, home theater sounds are less dynamic and don't demand high quality construction. A low quality sub is often referred to as having muddy sounding bass. I don't believe I've ever seen this described as affecting stereo imagery.

An amplifier is designed to amplify a signal, a pair of amplifiers, an input selector switch and a tuner make up a stereo receiver. A 5.1 receiver is made of the same components plus a decoder and a few extra amps for the additional channels. As far as the signal sent to the speakers is concerned there is no difference between a stereo receiver and a home theater receiver, the amps are the same. A HT receiver may have a HP crossover on the mains so music might sound anemic without the powered sub turned on, if the crossover is turned off so that the speakers are playing full range there should be no audible difference. Denon is a pretty respectable name in consumer audio, unless the unit is malfunctioning (which it isn't, it's going into protect mode for a reason with the speakers in question, it's not a bad solder joint) it should sound just as good driving a pair of speakers in stereo as it would driving 5 speakers in surround. A pro amp is a pretty extreme recommendation considering the speakers the OP intends to run are 8 ohm. Pro receivers usually are recommended for their ability to power speakers with lower impedance. I believe there is a problem with the wiring or a problem with the speakers if the receiver is going into protection mode, the bose speakers should be pretty easy to drive with a consumer receiver.

Less expensive amplifiers can sound pretty decent, I'm not sure where you're getting the idea that only a Marantz will make the these Bose speakers sound good, you'd need a really nice set of speakers to actually hear any difference between a Marantz amp and any other, the OP doesn't own those speakers.
 

OVerLoRDI

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Thanks for the info, I got more than I was expecting. I trolled Craigslist and found a Pioneer SX-780 locally, and I think I'll be grabbing that.
 

OVerLoRDI

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Thats a great series. The SX series evolved into the Elite series today.

Picked up the SX-780 today. Very happy with it and only got it for 80 dollars. My not so great Bose speakers have never sounded better. 30 year old Pioneer stuff FTW
 

electroju

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I'm not sure where you are getting your information, but to me it seems only 50% accurate.

There are a number of good speakers that are great for music and home theater and there are are a number of subs that are great for reproducing music, although they may not be available at best buy and they may cost more than $200. A subwoofer can't affect stereo imagery because the wavelengths produced by a sub are larger than your head, your ears aren't able to locate the sub in a well tuned system because the sound from the sub reaches both ears at the same time. If you think you can hear a sub's location it's either playing frequencies that a sub shouldn't be playing or it's because you can see the sub and your eyes are fooling your ears. Inexpensive subs intended only for home theater do not reproduce music very well because the driver isn't constructed to move fast enough to reproduce highly dynamic sounds found in music, home theater sounds are less dynamic and don't demand high quality construction. A low quality sub is often referred to as having muddy sounding bass. I don't believe I've ever seen this described as affecting stereo imagery.

An amplifier is designed to amplify a signal, a pair of amplifiers, an input selector switch and a tuner make up a stereo receiver. A 5.1 receiver is made of the same components plus a decoder and a few extra amps for the additional channels. As far as the signal sent to the speakers is concerned there is no difference between a stereo receiver and a home theater receiver, the amps are the same. A HT receiver may have a HP crossover on the mains so music might sound anemic without the powered sub turned on, if the crossover is turned off so that the speakers are playing full range there should be no audible difference. Denon is a pretty respectable name in consumer audio, unless the unit is malfunctioning (which it isn't, it's going into protect mode for a reason with the speakers in question, it's not a bad solder joint) it should sound just as good driving a pair of speakers in stereo as it would driving 5 speakers in surround. A pro amp is a pretty extreme recommendation considering the speakers the OP intends to run are 8 ohm. Pro receivers usually are recommended for their ability to power speakers with lower impedance. I believe there is a problem with the wiring or a problem with the speakers if the receiver is going into protection mode, the bose speakers should be pretty easy to drive with a consumer receiver.

Less expensive amplifiers can sound pretty decent, I'm not sure where you're getting the idea that only a Marantz will make the these Bose speakers sound good, you'd need a really nice set of speakers to actually hear any difference between a Marantz amp and any other, the OP doesn't own those speakers.
You missed everything that I explained in my previous post. Let us start with the subwoofer. Yes, a subwoofer can and it does affect stereo imagery. Music does not have a standard way to store bass. In can either be in either the left or right channel, but not both. If you check the wave form using a spectrogram, you will notice that bass is not always in both the left and right channels. It is actually either the left or the right. Old music will flip-flop between left and right during the music.

The human brain can predict where it is going to come from because it is a quantum computer. If one subwoofer is used and it is placed on the left or the right channel and the bass is going to come from the opposite channel, the bass will seem awkward. Sure two subwoofer can be used to help bring back the stereo imagery, but one of each have to be beside the left and right channels. Using one subwoofer in the middle of the left and right channels will affect the stereo imagery of the music.

About the high pass filter for AV receivers. This can be changed easily. This can changed to large or the full range of 20 Hz to 20000 Hz. If using bookshelf or monitor speakers, the setting might have to be set as small or with a high pass filter of 80 Hz to150 Hz. These speakers will seem "anemic", but this is why I recommend to use large speakers to handle it.

Subwoofers are slow because of one thing the weight of the suspension and the inductance. The inductance matters most to speed. If the inductance is too high, the woofer will be sluggish. The heavy suspension can literally tear it from music output. Music is more powerful compared to movies. Subwoofers are meant for movies because the output is not constant

Music in movies is remastered to be compatible with a multi-channel and subwoofer setup. The bass from the music is then positioned in the subwoofer channel or combined in the left and right channels.

Not all amplifiers such as Denon and Onkyo have sufficient quality to handle musical output. Marantz is a step up for quality of the amplifier, so it can handle the output better because it has beefier electronics. I just state the Marantz as a suggestion and I did not state anything about the sound quality of the amplifier. If you do not like it, suggest something else. You did not, so shut the f*** up.

In conclusion, do not need a big head to hear where bass is coming from. What is not said is bass is also a tactile experience, so it gives another reason why we can locate where the subwoofer is.
 

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. A subwoofer can't affect stereo imagery because the wavelengths produced by a sub are larger than your head, your ears aren't able to locate the sub in a well tuned system because the sound from the sub reaches both ears at the same time. If you think you can hear a sub's location it's either playing frequencies that a sub shouldn't be playing or it's because you can see the sub and your eyes are fooling your ears.

Yep. The general rule is you can't hear location below 100hz. Remember, though, that a speaker with a 12db/octave crossover at 50hz is still going to be producing a lot of sound - specifically, a little less than half the original volume - at 100hz, so unless you use a steep crossover (possible only via the magic of DSP - usually in the receiver itself) it's not a perfect solution.

Inexpensive subs intended only for home theater do not reproduce music very well because the driver isn't constructed to move fast enough to reproduce highly dynamic sounds found in music, home theater sounds are less dynamic and don't demand high quality construction. A low quality sub is often referred to as having muddy sounding bass. I don't believe I've ever seen this described as affecting stereo imagery.

This is a load of silliness. The problem with HT subs is that they're not "fast" - it's simply a case of distortion, energy storage, and frequency response. You're correct, however, that many compromises are made in HT subwoofers to allow increased amplitude at low frequencies, but there are definite exceptions to the rule...though they don't come cheap by any means.

As far as the signal sent to the speakers is concerned there is no difference between a stereo receiver and a home theater receiver, the amps are the same...Less expensive amplifiers can sound pretty decent, I'm not sure where you're getting the idea that only a Marantz will make the these Bose speakers sound good, you'd need a really nice set of speakers to actually hear any difference between a Marantz amp and any other, the OP doesn't own those speakers.

The ah heck with HT receivers is that a lot of them have analog-to-digital converters, which then feed into a big pile of DSP stuff before being converted back into analog again. On a good receiver, this isn't a problem, especially if you're using a digital source (which eliminates both a digital to analog and analog to digital conversion.) On a bad receiver, it sounds bloody awful - turn on *any* of the effects on a low-end Yamaha product and you'll see what I mean. Denon stuff is generally in the "good" category, but there may be exceptions.

You missed everything that I explained in my previous post.

(insert much silliness here)

There's rather a lot of evidence to the effect that what you said is silly.

There are, however, a few advantages to stereo subs. The biggest is one of maintaining equidstance from all sounds sources: Moving about in the room can change the relative distance from you to all the speakers, which can, in turn, cause too much or too little bass. Also, Geddes has reported a notable decrease in standing waves - in fact, he recommends using a whole slew of small subwoofers instead of one big one.
 
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