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Steele declared that the war in Afghanistan "was a war of Obama's choosing"

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drebo said:
No, we should have firebombed the fuck out of their cities and cluster bombed the shit out of their mountains (or just nuked the whole place). We could have been in and out in under a month.

We have no business nation-building in an area of the world which we don't understand and which doesn't understand us. Hell, we have no business nation-building PERIOD.

If a country (or its inhabitants) attack us directly, we must retaliate. Let them pick up their own damn peices.
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Sorry but when did Afghanistan attack USA again?
 
drebo said:
No, we should have firebombed the fuck out of their cities and cluster bombed the shit out of their mountains (or just nuked the whole place). We could have been in and out in under a month.

We have no business nation-building in an area of the world which we don't understand and which doesn't understand us. Hell, we have no business nation-building PERIOD.

If a country (or its inhabitants) attack us directly, we must retaliate. Let them pick up their own damn peices.
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Our murdering psychopath faction has posted.
 
Mike Gayner said:
Sorry but when did Afghanistan attack USA again?
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A small faction called Al Queda was based there, with the permission of the governing Taliban (who the US gave $50 million in aid to in the year before 9/11).

Well, we've fixed all that for the people; now, they have a corrupt former Unocal exec/CIA asset (IIRC), and the previously subdued opium growing has returned full bloom, apparently.
 
Jaskalas said:
Amen! F' Bush for nation building. Obama too for drinking the neocon kool-aid and making Afghanistan his own.
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To the immoral right:

We had our chance for doing the right thing in Afghanistan. There was a decent government in power in the early 70's - plenty of good about it. Oh, it was far-left.

So, what do we do? Can't have a far-left government that isn't hurting anyone in power - let's justify the existence of our CIA by having it undermine them.

So, they are in danger as the CIA recruits and attacks, and they are forced to look for help - and invite the USSR, who can and says they will help in.

Just as the US planned, secretly, it turns out.

Oops, the USSR decided it'd be nice to take over and installs its own regime, and wars on the Afghan people - and the US come to their 'rescue' to use them as pawns in proxy war.

So, now the Afghans are all nicely militarized into warlords and militias and the country is pretty destroyed - and big surprise, the Taliban get a foothold when we all leave.

Afghanistan has been screwed by the British, by the US, by the USSR - when we say the policy should be, let's not forget we screwed it up, to try not to repeat that.

There are dozens of similar stories, of decent left-wing governments the US has screwed over in the past (not as much now) to install terrible right-wing tyrants.

(Remember a country called Iran that wanted to raise the price of oil to stop letting the west buy it at extortion prices, and we put a dictator there too?)

Not doing that would be a nice start.

Oh ya, who keeps the Saudis in power again?
 
drebo said:
No, we should have firebombed the fuck out of their cities and cluster bombed the shit out of their mountains (or just nuked the whole place). We could have been in and out in under a month.
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Do tell. I really want to here your reasoning for why people who nothing to do with 9/11 deserved to die. I'm sure you have some reasoning right? Rather then being dumb and sociopathic.
 
Now Ron Paul comes out in support of Mr. Steele:
I would like to congratulate Michael Steele for his leadership on one of the most important issues of today. He is absolutely right: Afghanistan is now Obama’s war. During the 2008 campaign, Obama was out in front in insisting that more troops be sent to Afghanistan. Obama called for expanding the war even as he pretended to be a peace candidate.
Michael Steele should not resign. Smart policies make smart politics. He is guiding the party in the right direction and we are on the verge of victory this fall. Chairman Steele should not back off. He is giving the country, especially young people, hope as he speaks truth about this war.
I have to ask myself, what is the agenda of the harsh critics demanding this resignation? Why do they support Nancy Pelosi and Barack Obama’s war?
The American people are sick and tired spending hundreds of billions of dollars a year, draining our economy and straining our military. Michael Steele has it right and Republicans should stick by him.
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(CNN Link)
 
Why do people think the president is in charge of our wars... people above him make the choice of where and why and do what they need to via media to keep us in perpetual war
 
I could care less about Steele...he's irrelevant. However it was Obama who chose to escalate this war instead of withdrawing. Under Bush he voted against war funding...now he can't ask for enough money. Looks like he's taken ownership to me. Bush is long gone...whether Dems like it or not...this has become Obama's war.
 
Bush knew that the invasion alone would displace the Taliban from the government. His plan after that apparently was to do almost nothing worthwhile for years, while spending hundreds of billions.

But now that Obama has tried to actually accomplish something before leaving, it's his war to some.

I have serious doubts that much will really be accomplished because I see no workable method available, but at least he's trying to get something done for the lives and money we've spent.
 
jackschmittusa said:
...but at least he's trying to get something done for the lives and money we've spent.
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Yes...like spending more lives and even more money. This war is 'unwinnable' in just about any way you chose to define 'victory'. Time to leave IMO. This is the one thing I had hoped Obama would do...this appears to be Viet Nam all over again.
 
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