Steele declared that the war in Afghanistan "was a war of Obama's choosing"

[jackschmittusa]

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/...choosing-that-us-didnt-want-video.php?ref=fpa

"At a Republican Party fundraiser in Connecticut on Thursday, Steele declared that the war in Afghanistan "was a war of Obama's choosing" that America had not "actively prosecuted or wanted to engage in," in a response to an attendee's question about the resignation of Gen. Stanley McChrystal -- which Steele called "very comical."

"that we would be in the background, sort of shaping the changes that were necessary in Afghanistan as opposed to directly engaging troops," Steele continued"

Either Steele has really slipped a few cogs in his mental machinery, or he believes his party is composed of idiots with short term memory loss.

Either way, the man is a joke serving in the position he has.

 

[CallMeJoe]

Either Steele has really slipped a few cogs in his mental machinery, or he believes his party is composed of idiots with short term memory loss.

This is also an underlying tenet of talk radio.

 

[Dekasa]

wait.... Really?

I vote we elect a bunch of people who never wanted to be politicians. These career-politicians don't do any good. Actually, they're embarassing.

 

[waggy]

yea heard that. the man is a fucking retard. I also bet that he will bring up 9-11 anytime he can though

 

[cubby1223]

Yeah well the RNC cannot fire him, nor even let him resign, as enough people out there will exploit it and run with the line that GOP is racist.

Otherwise, he would have been kicked out long before this incident.

 

[glenn1]

Obama obviously didn't start the war. He did escalate it, but that's not something most republicans disagreed with so it would be weird to poke Obama on that count. While this is another gaffe for Steele, I'm not sure whether it affects the larger Republican party or will make a difference in the election. People are used to political types saying stupid things, even things as stupid as Steele tends to say (repeatedly).

 

[dahunan]

Obama obviously didn't start the war. He did escalate it, but that's not something most republicans disagreed with so it would be weird to poke Obama on that count. While this is another gaffe for Steele, I'm not sure whether it affects the larger Republican party or will make a difference in the election. People are used to political types saying stupid things, even things as stupid as Steele tends to say (repeatedly).

Sadly.. .That is how USELESS our votes have become Not pointed at you in any way whatsoever. I am saying that you spoke the truth... the general public is

too busy
too religious
too trusting
too DUMB

to see how much of a fucking douchecake Steele is .. as their leader

 

[waggy]

hahahha EVEN the talking heads on Fox news are bashing him on this. its rather funny

 

[her209]

 

[CallMeJoe]

Well if he's such a student of history, has he not understood that that's the one thing you don't do is engage in a land war in Afghanistan. Alright? Because everyone who has tried over a thousand years of history, has failed. And there are reasons for that.

I wonder why Mr. Steele didn't offer this advice to the Bush administration...

 

[bamacre]

Afghanistan "was a war of Obama's choosing"

That's a horrible choice of words, so much that it's not true. However, Obama campaigned on elevating the war in Afghanistan, and he's done just that.

 

[bamacre]

hahahha EVEN the talking heads on Fox news are bashing him on this. its rather funny

Mr. Neo-Con himself has already publicly asked Steele to resign.

Regardless, Steele is correct, it's a no-win war, and it's costing us hundreds of billions of dollars every year, at a time when we certainly can not afford it.

What is ironic is that so many on the Left are bashing Steele for his stance here, the anti-war have switched teams. Or been switched, whatever.

 

[Jhhnn]

Heh. WW2 was a war of Harry Truman's choosing too... and Nixon obviously chose to be in Vietnam, right?

And Steele is correct that the Bush Admin didn't actively pursue the conflict- They let it fester for years, trying to create a successful pacification with <40K troops. They quickly moved on to the real prize, Iraq. Instead of really letting the Afghans choose their own govt, they stood up the corrupt Karzai front, whistled Dixie and took in the rakeoff from the arms business and the drug trade. Meanwhile, the Taliban have regrouped, found financing, support and sympathy among the populace. We should have achieved pacification and cleared out of Afghanistan no later than 2005, but the Bushistas never committed the assets to actually accomplish that.

It would have been a lot easier in the beginning, given that we actually had friends in Afghanistan and the fact that our troops were often well received by the locals. History will condemn the Bush Whitehouse as some of the most damaging and inept leadership America has ever had- not just in Afghanistan, but everywhere, particular here at home.

How's that financial crisis working out? Still screwed, right? That's the story of it all, everything they touched, the Bush legacy- still screwed, and likely to stay that way for some time to come...

 

[Lemon law]

Yep Steele is wrong on three out of three counts.

1. Afghanistan was started by GWB&co. No way to deny that fact.

2. No one ever accused Steele of being anything other than a GOP whore dog, its his very job description, and as such, ANYTHING he says should be looked on as an
illogical distortion of fact. The mere fact that anyone assumes his utterances have any automatic credibility is somewhat a fool's assumption, but still a testable hypothesis.

3. As we examine the Steel testable hypothesis contention, I see zero evidence that Steele has even tried to made any credible case that he is right. He just expects people to believe him, simple because he is the man from the RNC.

 

[Throckmorton]

Typical liberals blaming Boooosh instead of taking responsibility and admitting that Obama went to war in Afghanistan against the will of The American People.

 

[waggy]

Typical liberals blaming Boooosh instead of taking responsibility and admitting that Obama went to war in Afghanistan against the will of The American People.

..what? lol

 

[cubby1223]

Sadly.. .That is how USELESS our votes have become Not pointed at you in any way whatsoever. I am saying that you spoke the truth... the general public is

too busy
too religious
too trusting
too DUMB

to see how much of a fucking douchecake Steele is .. as their leader

And you are "too DUMB" by thinking Steele is our leader

 

[CallMeJoe]

And you are "too DUMB" by thinking Steele is our leader

...unlike when Howard Dean was Chairman of the Democratic National Committee. No one ever claimed he was "leader" of the Democratic Party!

 

[Throckmorton]

..what? lol

Haven't you noticed the reaction from right wingers on this forum when you blame Bush for something that is Bush's fault? They seem to think that because Obama is president now, Bush can't be accountable for ANYTHING. It's as if he never existed. For some reason they misspell "Bush" and supposedly imitate a Democrat saying "but but but Boooosh"

It's gotten to the point where Michael Steele even considers Afghanistan to be "Obama's war of choosing".

 

[waggy]

Haven't you noticed the reaction from right wingers on this forum when you blame Bush for something that is Bush's fault? They seem to think that because Obama is president now, Bush can't be accountable for ANYTHING. It's as if he never existed. For some reason they misspell "Bush" and supposedly imitate a Democrat saying "but but but Boooosh"

It's gotten to the point where Michael Steele even considers Afghanistan to be "Obama's war of choosing".

well steele is a idiot.

Obama has been in office over a year. teh economy, wars etc are his.

BUT this was not obama's choosing he just needs to win it.

 

[Sclamoz]

well steele is a idiot.

Obama has been in office over a year. teh economy, wars etc are his.

BUT this was not obama's choosing he just needs to win it.

Yet the last administration blamed our economy and 9/11 (the event that sparked the wars) on previous presidents. So why wouldn't we expect the same?

 

[Jhhnn]

Yet the last administration blamed our economy and 9/11 (the event that sparked the wars) on previous presidents. So why wouldn't we expect the same?

9/11 didn't "spark" the wars, at all. the Bush clan ruthlessly exploited that tragedy to have the war they wanted all along- the Invasion of Iraq. Their disinterest in Afghanistan was obvious from the start- at Tora Bora, and in the fact that they basically left a token garrison to prop up the Karzai regime...

 

[Sclamoz]

9/11 didn't "spark" the wars, at all. the Bush clan ruthlessly exploited that tragedy to have the war they wanted all along- the Invasion of Iraq. Their disinterest in Afghanistan was obvious from the start- at Tora Bora, and in the fact that they basically left a token garrison to prop up the Karzai regime...

What started the war in Afghanistan? 9/11.
What started the war in Iraq? The Bush administration exploiting 9/11.
What event enabled both wars? 9/11. Tadda!

My whole point that you seemed to miss was the Bush administration and Republicans blamed 9/11, economic recession and other problems on Clinton so why is it such a surprise the current administration is blaming Bush?

 

[drebo]

We should have achieved pacification and cleared out of Afghanistan no later than 2005, but the Bushistas never committed the assets to actually accomplish that.

No, we should have firebombed the fuck out of their cities and cluster bombed the shit out of their mountains (or just nuked the whole place). We could have been in and out in under a month.

We have no business nation-building in an area of the world which we don't understand and which doesn't understand us. Hell, we have no business nation-building PERIOD.

If a country (or its inhabitants) attack us directly, we must retaliate. Let them pick up their own damn peices.

 

[dahunan]

Original airdate 03/04/2001
http://killtown.911review.org/lonegunmen.html

SCENE 12 ​

BYERS SNR: John.
BYERS: Dad.
BYERS SNR: What the hell are you doing? Why can't you stay out of this. Leave me buried.
BYERS: What is scenario 12-D?
BYERS: We know it's a war game scenario. That it has to do with airline counter-terrorism. Why is it important enough to kill for.
BYERS SNR: Because it's no longer a game.
BYERS: But if some terrorist group wants to act out this scenario, then why target you for assassination?
BYERS SNR: Depends on who your terrorists are.
BYERS: The men who conceived of it the first place. You're saying our government is planning to commit a terrorist act against a domestic airline?
BYERS SNR: There you go again. Blaming the entire government as usual. In fact, a small faction ...
BYERS: For what possible gain?

BYERS SNR: The Cold War's over, John. But with no clear enemy to stockpile against, the arms market's flat. But bring down a fully loaded 727 into the middle of New York City and you'll find a dozen tin-pot dictators all over the world just clamoring to take responsibility, and begging to be smart-bombed.
BYERS: I can't believe this. This is about increasing arms sales?
BYERS: When?
BYERS SNR: Tonight.