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IronWing

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I want to try Portal (mainly so I understand the jokes on ATOT) but the Valve site tells me I have to install Steam first and get a subscription. If I buy the boxed version do I still have to install Steam? Looks kind of intrusive similar to a data mining app maybe. So is there a way to legally obtain and play Portal w/o Steam?
 

Jesusthewererabbit

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You have to install it with all Valve games, and have for many years. Portal is very much worth it, and Steam doesn't bite. If you decide to go ahead, watch out for the weekend deals. They can drain your bank account. And the cake is a lie.
 

BlueWeasel

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I'd consider getting the Orange Box over Portal Only. It includes Portal, TF2, and HL2 plus expansions. Looking at Steam prices, the Orange Box is worth the extra $10. You might even be able to find the box version cheaper online (you'll still need Steam though).
 

mundane

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Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer
Be prepared to install the most intrusive and restrictive form of DRM ever conceived.

I'd argue that is an overdramatic exaggeration, but I will concede Steam is very restrictive (and this coming from a Valve fan).
 

brblx

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Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer
Be prepared to install the most intrusive and restrictive form of DRM ever conceived.

this, only the exact opposite.
 

Cabages

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Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer
Be prepared to install the most intrusive and restrictive form of DRM ever conceived.

Huh, I'm writing a paper on obtrusive DRM, and in it I propose Steam as a better option than the likes of Starforce and such.

Funny.
 

Lonyo

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Originally posted by: Cabages
Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer
Be prepared to install the most intrusive and restrictive form of DRM ever conceived.

Huh, I'm writing a paper on obtrusive DRM, and in it I propose Steam as a better option than the likes of Starforce and such.

Funny.

Better option for the companies who make the games.
 
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Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer
Be prepared to install the most intrusive and restrictive form of DRM ever conceived.

Steam is by far the only user friendly DRM and it makes complete sense.

Never forget you wont need to carry around discs anymore. If i have to wipe my HDD i just start up steam and come back later that day and have EVERY SINGLE GAME downloaded ready to go.

That is a bad ass DRM if you ask me. ;)
 

Boobs McGee

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I would say do not confuse convenience with what it really is. I do agree that in most cases it makes things really easy for updates and launching and what not. At the same time it is very restrictive. Why can't I give away my copy of a game to a buddy if I am finished playing it? Once you purchase a game on steam or register a retail purchased valve game with steam it is locked to your account forever.

I also had a problem with far cry on steam. I purchsed that in one of the weekend deals. The cd key that was issued to me that is required for multiplayer would not work. I tried every solution posted on the steam support site and the ubisoft site. That key has never wokred for me. Both companies have essentially passed the buck. So I have a game that is only halfway functional.
 

datalink7

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Originally posted by: Scholzpdx
Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer
Be prepared to install the most intrusive and restrictive form of DRM ever conceived.

Steam is by far the only user friendly DRM and it makes complete sense.

Never forget you wont need to carry around discs anymore. If i have to wipe my HDD i just start up steam and come back later that day and have EVERY SINGLE GAME downloaded ready to go.

That is a bad ass DRM if you ask me. ;)

Yeah I like it. I'm on a road trip right now and downloaded some titles to my laptop when I stopped in the middle of nowhere.
 

Golgatha

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Steam is wonderful except for the fact that you can't resell your purchases. Once you install them, they're locked to the account you setup. It's also against their TOS to sell the account. That said, for $20 that's a lot of gaming goodness, many of the titles are multiplayer (so you'd be very unlikely to sell the game anyway), and a used $20 game isn't going to resell for much anyway.

Steam has its uses and place. IMO it is extremely restrictive and completely unwanted for expensive single player experiences (e.g. FEAR 2, Ghostbusters, Riddick: Dark Athena, etc.), which I would normally resell once completing them. Also, I don't like being ultimately reliant on Valve's authenication servers to play games I paid good money for. Finally, if Steam stops supporting a certain operating system, there is no way to get the games you originally purchased under that OS to work, which is a broken system IMO.


I think most people's gripes can be summarized as follows:

1) Can't resell a game because it's forever tied to your account.
2) Have to authenticate with Steam's servers to play your games. Yes there is offline mode, but it's only good for when you don't have an Internet connection available. I'd personally rather not phone home every time I launch a game.
3) OS support for Steam can effect game support, and therefore which games you can play in the future.
4) No in-writting guarantee that if Steam goes under financially, all of your games will be un-DRMed.
5) Steam sucks up bandwidth when running in the background, even when you have a multi-player Steam game running.
 
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Above poster has some good points personally I love steam. No need to hunt around for games and prey they do not come with drm that will f up your machine (thanks for the two broken dvd drives space rangers). Also I estimate I have either lost the CD or activation code for 12 games that I later wanted to play. Steam eliminates this hassle at the cost of not being able to gift or sell my used games is not a problem.
 

spittledip

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Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer
Be prepared to install the most intrusive and restrictive form of DRM ever conceived.

Steam is not intrusive in the least. Just shut the thing off and it is gone!
 

brblx

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Originally posted by: Ackmed
Be prepared to ignore ignorant trolling posters.

typical AT 'anyone who disagrees with me is a troll' mentality. you need to find out what 'troll' actually means (and it's not a doll with funny hair).

i don't agree with him but will acknowledge there are valid points to his argument. i personally don't care about sharing games as all my friends play consoles. i will mention, though, that steam can be installed on more than one machine, i.e. you can play all your games on both your desktop and laptop if desired, so i don't really see much of a limitation there.
 

Joemonkey

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sheesh does every valve/steam thread have to turn into a fanboy/bashing thread?

This may be shocking, but people have differing opinions.Most things people do are on a risk vs. reward basis. I know the risks with steam and for me the reward is worth it. Could I wake up tomorrow and find out Steam has gone bankrupt and I can't play my games any more? Sure. Will I? I think the chances are good enough it won't happen that I'll stick with Steam. Disagree? Fine! You and I have different degress of risk tolerance and I will agree to disagree with you. Different strokes for different folks.

I've also never resold any PC games I've purchased, so while I recognize the "you can't resell the games!" argument is in fact valid it does not effect me in the least. Bothers you? Then don't buy Steam only games, play them, and resell them. You get what you want and I get what I want. Win win situation!


In any event, enjoy Portal, the game really gets fun once you get past the training ;)
 
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Steam has been pretty good in terms of OS support. You can still run it on a Windows 98SE computer.

11 years without an OS upgrade, you'll be lucky to run almost anything. You can still run steam.
 

Lonyo

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Originally posted by: Scholzpdx
Steam has been pretty good in terms of OS support. You can still run it on a Windows 98SE computer.

11 years without an OS upgrade, you'll be lucky to run almost anything. You can still run steam.

Steam hasn't run on Win 98 for 2 years now.
And they actively excluded it with an update.
One day it would work, the next they push out an update and it no longer works.
http://steamreview.org/posts/win98supportends/
 

rchiu

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Originally posted by: Scholzpdx
Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer
Be prepared to install the most intrusive and restrictive form of DRM ever conceived.

Steam is by far the only user friendly DRM and it makes complete sense.

Never forget you wont need to carry around discs anymore. If i have to wipe my HDD i just start up steam and come back later that day and have EVERY SINGLE GAME downloaded ready to go.

That is a bad ass DRM if you ask me. ;)

Yeah, how is steam instrusive and restrictive? Just install the game you buy and you don't need anything else. No need disc in dvd-rom, no serial keys (as far as the games I bought) to lose.

You can even run steam games in offline mod if you don't want to connect to the Internet.

I just recently moved back to Asia and if Steam didn't exist, I'd only have 2 options on games. Pirated games or original sold at MSRP in USD equivalent + 20% at least for store profit, and never goes no sale. ($49USD + 20% is ridiculos amount for game in this part of the world)

With steam, I still get access to good games with good weekend sales here and there. No worries on CD/Keys, with full tech support and most recent updates. It's the only reason I am still buying original games even tho pirated games are everywhere and cheap.
 

TheKub

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Originally posted by: Lonyo
Steam hasn't run on Win 98 for 2 years now.
And they actively excluded it with an update.
One day it would work, the next they push out an update and it no longer works.
http://steamreview.org/posts/win98supportends/

I don?t blame them, when the OS has less than .25% of users its just not worth the effort. That being said they are not taking away your games. You still have them once you upgrade or go to a friends house and install them.

Yeah I can see the frustration of something working then have it stop working at no fault of your own, but really in 2007 MS had ended all support for the OS and you could pick up cheap\discarded XP box that was 4x the machine you would have been using.

So if its 2015 and MS has ended support for XP and less than a quarter of a percent of users on steam are still on XP and they decide to end support so be it. If I?m that stuck on keeping an old machine running Ill download a pirated version of the game to play. Am I violating the terms of my license, yeah, is it likely Ill be hauled into court over it, unlikely.

Heck, I downloaded Loom (from the early 90's) not to long ago, I have the CD somewhere and didn?t feel like taking an entire weekend digging through boxes and bins looking for it. Now if the police came knocking on my door wanting to discuss my "Pirating" a game that hasn?t sold in 15 years I would take the time to figure out where the CD was to prove that I owned the game. Then just so happened a few weeks later Lucasarts announces that its going to sell their old games on steam. I'll likely buy them again when they go on a weekend sale that way Ill never have to look for the damn CD again.

So, I find it very convenient and totally non-obtrusive, so its a big WIN in my book. There is no perfect solution, you can buy the games from a store and deal with storing and keeping track of the CD and associated Keys, dealing with a different DRM scheme on each disk (some worse than others), be able to sell\trade\give the game to a friend when your done, NOT be able to install the game on a whim on a PC when you don?t have access to your library of disks. Or buy it from steam where its the same DRM across the board, never have to store or hunt for disks, can play your game from just about anywhere, but cant give the game away when your done, and loose access to your games when your time capsule of a PC is no longer supported.

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Also, lets not forget that alot of newer games are requiring activation what happens when they drop support for that game or the company goes under? Your still screwed even if you have the retail box. So there is a similar risk with retail that there is with steam but this borders on the topic of whether DRM is the devil in binary form rather than a steam pro\con topic.
 

Golgatha

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Originally posted by: Joemonkey
sheesh does every valve/steam thread have to turn into a fanboy/bashing thread?

This may be shocking, but people have differing opinions.Most things people do are on a risk vs. reward basis. I know the risks with steam and for me the reward is worth it. Could I wake up tomorrow and find out Steam has gone bankrupt and I can't play my games any more? Sure. Will I? I think the chances are good enough it won't happen that I'll stick with Steam. Disagree? Fine! You and I have different degress of risk tolerance and I will agree to disagree with you. Different strokes for different folks.

I've also never resold any PC games I've purchased, so while I recognize the "you can't resell the games!" argument is in fact valid it does not effect me in the least. Bothers you? Then don't buy Steam only games, play them, and resell them. You get what you want and I get what I want. Win win situation!


In any event, enjoy Portal, the game really gets fun once you get past the training ;)

I've got no problem with everyone voting with their dollars for sure. I don't like every law that's passed either, but unfortunately (for me) the world doesn't revolve around my wants and desires. :)
 

Golgatha

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Originally posted by: TheKub
Also, lets not forget that alot of newer games are requiring activation what happens when they drop support for that game or the company goes under? Your still screwed even if you have the retail box. So there is a similar risk with retail that there is with steam but this borders on the topic of whether DRM is the devil in binary form rather than a steam pro\con topic.

I'm just giving the OP the desired info about Steam. Steam has many pros and cons and I'd say the OP has plenty of info to make an informed decision.

To say something about DRM in general though, I for one applaud the hackers and crackers of the world who keep the balance of power shifted more towards consumers. A good case in point is Riddick DA. It was cracked about a month after the game was released. I am quite happy that if ATARI's activation servers go down, I can still have access to my game into perpetuity because of the illegal (only because of the DMCA not copyright law) circumvention of the DRM.

If the DMCA was repealed, I'd be a much happier camper. I have no problems whatsoever with following copyright laws. I have however given the electronic finger to the DMCA more times than I'm capable of remembering, under guise of what should be completely legal fair use, but is not due to the DMCA.