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NoStateofMind

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Wow, I cannot believe the people recommending the 7800GS over going PCI-E and X850XT!!!! The ATi card performs about equal to that nVidia, and when he wanted to upgrade it would cost him less. Now he has gone and spent that $300 on a dying slot. and when he does finally go PCI-E, it will cost him more! /rant

EDIT: I see it's $200....same rant!
 
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CKXP

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Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
Wow, I cannot believe the people recommending the 7800GS over going PCI-E and X850XT!!!! The ATi card performs about equal to that nVidia, and when he wanted to upgrade it would cost him less. Now he has gone and spent that $300 on a dying slot. and when he does finally go PCI-E, it will cost him more! /rant

EDIT: I see it's $200....same rant!
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QFT...why stick with AGP this late in the game, sure the 7800gs is a good card, but $119 for a x850xt and a better GPU upgrade path is the better deal...IMO
 
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hmorphone

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Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
Wow, I cannot believe the people recommending the 7800GS over going PCI-E and X850XT!!!! The ATi card performs about equal to that nVidia, and when he wanted to upgrade it would cost him less. Now he has gone and spent that $300 on a dying slot. and when he does finally go PCI-E, it will cost him more! /rant

EDIT: I see it's $200....same rant!
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Canterwood

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Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
Wow, I cannot believe the people recommending the 7800GS over going PCI-E and X850XT!!!! The ATi card performs about equal to that nVidia, and when he wanted to upgrade it would cost him less. Now he has gone and spent that $300 on a dying slot. and when he does finally go PCI-E, it will cost him more! /rant

EDIT: I see it's $200....same rant!
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The OP has a socket 754 cpu anyway which is also a dead socket.
Why buy a PCi-E board with a cpu socket he cant upgrade anyway?
I'd think he's just doing a last upgrade before a complete system change, so imo he did the right thing getting the 7800GS. /rant.
 
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Recommending a 7800gs is a very dumb thing to do.
The pcie 7600gt is only $130-150 from newegg and there are decent pcie 939 mbs for $60.
 
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Ike0069

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Originally posted by: orangat
Recommending a 7800gs is a very dumb thing to do.
The pcie 7600gt is only $130-150 from newegg and there are decent pcie 939 mbs for $60.
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Well, he still needs a S939 CPU which then send him well past his $220 limit. So that idea seems very dumb to me.

Besides, S939 is not much of an upgrade either because AMD has stopped making new S939 CPU's. IMO he should just wait until he is ready to buy an entire new rig such as a Conroe system. The 7800GS is a very solid card that will likey retain its value quite well simply because it is AGP. So if he decides to upgrade soon, he can sell the 7800 and get a good portion of his initial price back.

For example: An average used 6800 GT will go for around $130-150, depending on brand and circimstances. A brand new PCI-e X850XT (which is a definite improvement over a 6800GT) for $120. If he goes with the X850 and then decied in six months to buy a new system including a DX10 card, the now used X850XT is probably only worth around $60-70, whereas a used 7800GS is likely worth closer to $150.


 
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Originally posted by: happy medium
Dam you pull the trigger fast! This board--939 socket- x2 compatable- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813186059

This card good choice for now--http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814102688

this 939 cpu--http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819103537

overclock your cpu your set! for $261.00
Thats what I would have done for 40 bucks more. MUch more upgradable.

I have a 7800gs to.
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I forgot to say sell his 754 board and cpu for 60 bucks and he pays $200.00 total
 
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topslop1

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I just couldn't see the point of going 939 with the new conroe's out right now. Right now I'm milking the 7800gs - which will run fine for a long while to come - and then I'll do a system jump. Even if I had $200 and sold my ram, my board, and my processor, my videocard I think I'd only have about $500 max at best (probably even less). Now with $450 I could hardly afford a Conroe chip ($200), a motherboard($70), ram($200), AND a videocard($120).

I wasn't looking for a faster system, and with GPUS driving the games, it just made sense to me to grab the GS.
 
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What is your cpu now? What speed is it running at? will your ram work on a 939 board?
I only ask because my system a (pent 4 3.06 @ 3.3) is a little slow for my 7800gs.@490,1.4.

I upgraded to the 7800 when they first came out. I figured i'll just overclock my cpu since it was allready preety quick. I didn't need different memory. (I just added 512megs). Total cost with memory $340.00 but that was 6 months ago.

Now you can get cheap 939 mothboards that support ,athlon 64's, X2's,and mabe the next generation of amd cpu's also. And they support 2 video cards (SLI).

You can also get a cheap 939 cpu like this one-http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a...3537&CMP=OTC-pr1c3watch&ATT=19-103-537
If you overclock that cpu it will be as fast or faster then anything you can put in a socket 754 board.

Then add your x850xt pci-e for 120 bucks.

Like I said sell your old stuff. Total cost about 200 bucks.

The difference is next year the fastest x2 cpu's will be dirt cheap.
and a x1900xtx or 7950x2 will be cheap also. Then you can still upgrade cheap and get good performance.

Edit: buy a conroe when the quad core cpu's come out late next year or early 2008. This way the technology has a chance to mature and more games will support it. then you grab a bug free copy of Windows Vista and build a whole new system. Can anyone say direct x 10.

Mabe this will help other people if it's too late.
 
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Well, there are S754 PCIe boards out there, you know... even SLI ones...

I like the Nforce4 over the nforce3 enough that it would have been the deciding factor right there. SATA2 with all the ports available even when you OC. Hurray!

But whatever. I would have voted $60 mobo and a 7600GT/x850xt, but that's just me...

Nat

*oh, you were so close! Option one, option one!
 
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topslop1

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I have a 3200+ 754 AMD 64 - It runs a native 2.0ghz and I've had it at 2.3ghz but I've not played around with overclocking it at all any because it's been the summer time around here and the AC fluxuates.

The 939 socket choice looks / looked nice but even with an Nforce4 board I'd be downgrading for a 3200+ to a 3000+ with all overclocking aside. The 850xt is a third slower than the 7800gs after overclocking in 3dmark06 and grabs up to 15 - 20 frames more in things like FEAR and BF2.

I understand the point now that it's a more upgradable path - seeing as if I were on a big budget path I could get a better videocard and then processor later on to match up.

But conclusion being this will work better for games, my main concern, and was the most powerful GPU choice I could affordably make.
 
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blckgrffn

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Originally posted by: topslop1
I have a 3200+ 754 AMD 64 - It runs a native 2.0ghz and I've had it at 2.3ghz but I've not played around with overclocking it at all any because it's been the summer time around here and the AC fluxuates.

The 939 socket choice looks / looked nice but even with an Nforce4 board I'd be downgrading for a 3200+ to a 3000+ with all overclocking aside. The 850xt is a third slower than the 7800gs after overclocking in 3dmark06 and grabs up to 15 - 20 frames more in things like FEAR and BF2.

I understand the point now that it's a more upgradable path - seeing as if I were on a big budget path I could get a better videocard and then processor later on to match up.

But conclusion being this will work better for games, my main concern, and was the most powerful GPU choice I could affordably make.
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OK, ok, I get it...

I hope you enjoy your upgrade, it should be a pretty nice one :)

Sometimes simplicity and ease of implementation trump other factors!

Nat
 
PingSpike

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Dump AGP. You get reamed on the price premium. There are plenty of PCI-E boards for socket 754, 939.

Whatever card you get, just move to PCI-E.
 
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topslop1

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Even if there was a 7900gs pci-e deal - which I would totally consider - I think I'm a day late off of woot.com's deals and I'd still get hit with 15% restocking fee for the card.
 
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blckgrffn

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Originally posted by: topslop1
Even if there was a 7900gs pci-e deal - which I would totally consider - I think I'm a day late off of woot.com's deals and I'd still get hit with 15% restocking fee for the card.
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Yeah, I think you are locked in now :)

Your games should run a lot better than they did before though, and that's what counts ;)

Nat
 
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