Statutory rape question...

[norrabty]

Heres the scenario: A guy I know, lets call him John, was about 15 years old, and had sex with a 22 year old woman, lets call her Joann. Apparently, Joann went and bought a bunch of booze, he was drunk, they had sex. His parents came in and had her arrested. She was convicted of rape because of it, and spent 6 months in jail, with parol. Turns out Joann was pregant, and it was John's kid. They both acknowlege the pregnancy came from the rape, since thats the only time they had sex. Now, the child is about 14 months old.

Heres the question: Is John legally obligated to pay child support? Do you think he is morally obligated?

 

[Ameesh]

no and no

 

[ThePresence]

No. If she was convicted of rape, why is it his obligation?

 

[UberDave]

nope, was she hot?

 

[thawolfman]

Originally posted by: Ameesh
no and no

 

[notfred]

"rape" and "statutory rape" are two completely different things. Does anyone here actually think that this 15 year old kid didn't WANT to have sex w/ a 22 year old woman? He was probably proud of it.

 

[dakata24]

i would think not as well... is this joann person trying to get child support from him and his parents?

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: notfred
"rape" and "statutory rape" are two completely different things. Does anyone here actually think that this 15 year old kid didn't WANT to have sex w/ a 22 year old woman? He was probably proud of it.

Thats because he's 15, and doesn't realize the consequences of his actions. That's why we have an age of consent.

 

[norrabty]

She had a cute face, but kinda fat.


I kind of have a problem with it. Johns parents convicted her of rape...not him. He tells me all the time although he had alot to drink, he knew what was goin on, and would've done it if he wasnt drunk. He just turned 18, and makes good money. The kid still needs a father. Its like John uses it as an excuse to not take care of the kid, just cause he's an ass.

 

[UberDave]

*puts comb pick in hair*


was she hot? fly? take that into consideration sorry just had to put that in again. I'd imagine the possiblities of a 22 year old teacher. But one that'd bang a 15 year old? hmmm

edit: She was FAT? *RUNS AWAY*

 

[norrabty]

Originally posted by: dakata24
i would think not as well... is this joann person trying to get child support from him and his parents?

As far as I know, she is not. But shes really poor, and could use the help.

I just wouldnt want my offspring to go thru that, even if it was TECHNICALLY a rape.

 

[notfred]

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: notfred
"rape" and "statutory rape" are two completely different things. Does anyone here actually think that this 15 year old kid didn't WANT to have sex w/ a 22 year old woman? He was probably proud of it.

Thats because he's 15, and doesn't realize the consequences of his actions. That's why we have an age of consent.

So then, if he had done the EXACT SAME THING with a 15 year old girl, neither of them would be responsible for the kid?

Or is he absolved of all responsibility soley because of her age?

 

[Tangerine]

Interesting question, I would say no, he's not obligated because he was a minor. But I guess that would be up to a judge to decide. What kind of child support can a 15 yr old provide anyway?

 

[HendrixFan]

It seems that he has no legal responsibility for the child, but Im not sure how long he can cope with that mentally. Personally, I would want to be invovled, perhaps even seek sole custody (which should be easy for him to get given the situation). Considering that you said he would have done it drunk or not, he really should have a moral obligation to care for the child in my opinion.

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: notfred

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: notfred
"rape" and "statutory rape" are two completely different things. Does anyone here actually think that this 15 year old kid didn't WANT to have sex w/ a 22 year old woman? He was probably proud of it.

Thats because he's 15, and doesn't realize the consequences of his actions. That's why we have an age of consent.

So then, if he had done the EXACT SAME THING with a 15 year old girl, neither of them would be responsible for the kid?

Or is he absolved of all responsibility soley because of her age?

Yes. Because she should have known better. She is above the age of consent.

 

[notfred]

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: notfred

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: notfred
"rape" and "statutory rape" are two completely different things. Does anyone here actually think that this 15 year old kid didn't WANT to have sex w/ a 22 year old woman? He was probably proud of it.

Thats because he's 15, and doesn't realize the consequences of his actions. That's why we have an age of consent.

So then, if he had done the EXACT SAME THING with a 15 year old girl, neither of them would be responsible for the kid?

Or is he absolved of all responsibility soley because of her age?

Yes. Because she should have known better. She is above the age of consent.

So, basically, you're saying anyone under 18 has no responsibilites whatsoever?

 

[Zorro]

He should of never hit it.

 

[vi edit]

Sh!t, if she supplied the booze, she's lucky she didn't get a contributing to minors slapped on there. That probably would have been worse than the statutory conviction. Probably some plea bargain though.

As for my advice on the legality of things....Ask Don_Vito

 

[Descartes]

So, basically, you're saying anyone under 18 has no responsibilites whatsoever?

It sounds like that's what he's implying, and it's completely absurd. To think that a 15 year old guy "just didn't know better" when he hooked up w/ this 22 year old woman. Poor guy, he was taken advantage of!

Riiiiight.

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: notfred

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: notfred

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: notfred
"rape" and "statutory rape" are two completely different things. Does anyone here actually think that this 15 year old kid didn't WANT to have sex w/ a 22 year old woman? He was probably proud of it.

Thats because he's 15, and doesn't realize the consequences of his actions. That's why we have an age of consent.

So then, if he had done the EXACT SAME THING with a 15 year old girl, neither of them would be responsible for the kid?

Or is he absolved of all responsibility soley because of her age?

Yes. Because she should have known better. She is above the age of consent.

So, basically, you're saying anyone under 18 has no responsibilites whatsoever?

As far as the law is concerned. I dont necessarily agree with it.

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: Descartes

So, basically, you're saying anyone under 18 has no responsibilites whatsoever?

It sounds like that's what he's implying, and it's completely absurd. To think that a 15 year old guy "just didn't know better" when he hooked up w/ this 22 year old woman. Poor guy, he was taken advantage of!

Riiiiight.

I was just talking about who the LAW holds responsible, hence my "age of consent" argument.

 

[djheater]

It's a shame it happened...

It's a shame the father of the child does not want to support him...

It's a shame the parents of the father have not intervened to point out correct action...

A similar circumstance in my own extended family resulted in the grandparents adopting and raising the child as thier own... making the girls biological mother her adopted sister :Q

Though it seems crazy, considering the possible fate of the girl... this really is better than a broken family... don't ya think...

 

[roncarter]

Originally posted by: norrabty
Heres the scenario: A guy I know, lets call him John, was about 15 years old, and had sex with a 22 year old woman, lets call her Joann. Apparently, Joann went and bought a bunch of booze, he was drunk, they had sex. His parents came in and had her arrested. She was convicted of rape because of it, and spent 6 months in jail, with parol. Turns out Joann was pregant, and it was John's kid. They both acknowlege the pregnancy came from the rape, since thats the only time they had sex. Now, the child is about 14 months old.

Heres the question: Is John legally obligated to pay child support? Do you think he is morally obligated?

no way

 

[jaeger66]

"Age of consent" is a crock in this day and age. It's only 18 in about 13 states, in some states is as low as 14 and in most it's 16. 15 today is a lot older than it used to be.

 

[Jfur]

Originally posted by: norrabty
She had a cute face, but kinda fat.


I kind of have a problem with it. Johns parents convicted her of rape...not him. He tells me all the time although he had alot to drink, he knew what was goin on, and would've done it if he wasnt drunk. He just turned 18, and makes good money. The kid still needs a father. Its like John uses it as an excuse to not take care of the kid, just cause he's an ass.

It's still his kid, so I'd think he would care. But he can probably argue the "I was raped!" successfully. If it were me, I would still see a child to be my responsibility and would want to spend time with my offspring. Of course when women are raped they just get stuck with the offender's baby. They don't have a choice, especially of the parents forbid abortion.