State tells detroit man pay for child that isnt yours or go to jail

[BoberFett]

Bottom line don't marry a slut.

Bottom line, if you don't want a kid, keep your pussy in your pants girls. Abortion shouldn't be an option. If you don't want the responsibility, don't have sex. Amirite?

 

[Subyman]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michigan_Legislature
Michigan legislature has overwhelming Republican control, and with a Republican governor could change the law at any time. But I guess they prefer doing nothing and continuing to send innocent men to jail.

Gotta fill those cells somehow.

 

[Blue_Max]

Bottom line, if you don't want a kid, keep your pussy in your pants girls. Abortion shouldn't be an option. If you don't want the responsibility, don't have sex. Amirite?

But they DO want the kid! Free money extractors!

...shall we start dredging up more examples of having to pay for someone else's kids? https://www.nationalparentsorganization.org/index.php/blog/20455-quebec-superior-court-paternity-fraud-just-fine-thank-you

 

[Jhhnn]

Bottom line, if you don't want a kid, keep your pussy in your pants girls. Abortion shouldn't be an option. If you don't want the responsibility, don't have sex. Amirite?

You're wrong as usual. If you don't want to pay child support, don't have sex also applies, although either scenario is absurd. Abortion is always an option, legal or not.

One of the more common scenarios, I suspect, is that when a woman having multiple partners finds she's pregnant she will pick the best of the two or the bunch to be the "father". That's been true for a very long time. It's not like that scenario generally ends in grief, either. Love is what matters, and when that's gone the ugliness emerges.

I do think that the man in the OP's article has been very unfairly assessed as the father. In such cases, I think that the state needs to prove actual paternity or adoption to make their case. Not that it really matters in Michigan where Repubs are busy looting the place, turning it into a northwoods version of Mississippi. They're already fucking everybody who isn't rich so this guy taking a little extra is just a point of amusement.

 

[Exophase]

Dancin' fool, huh?

That's blatant false attribution, regardless of how badly you want to claim otherwise.

I explained what I meant already, and I wasn't lying when I did. If you want to nail me to the cross because of how I badly phrased it then whatever. Unlike some people I think intent actually matters.

 

[Bock]

If you think that's bad, check out the statutory rape victims forced to pay child support. http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/09/02/statutory-rape-victim-child-support/14953965/

 

[WhipperSnapper]

If we had a "Mens' Rights" movement in this country, we could work on changing the laws to prevent these injustices, but we don't. Perhaps DNA-based paternity tests should be mandatory for all childbirths and declarations of fatherhood.

 

[Blue_Max]

If we had a "Mens' Rights" movement in this country, we could work on changing the laws to prevent these injustices, but we don't. Perhaps DNA-based paternity tests should be mandatory for all childbirths and declarations of fatherhood.

Feminists are working hard to make any places that deal with actual equality, or the issues men face, illegal, branding them "hate speech".

 

[Blanky]

The widespread problem of single parenthood these days is often attributed to the father being a deadbeat or in jail, but it looks like it really has a lot to do with an extreme lack of sexual responsibility, where a surprising number of people can't even keep track of the people they sleep with over the span of a few months (or never knew in the first place). At least in this county, anyway.

It's in all counties. Many impoverished women have a ton of kids through a ton of different fathers. The fathers are shit parents, so are the mothers. They spread their legs without a thought to the future and crank out kid after kid from different dads. Hardly inviting of a loyal guy to hang around when a woman already had four kids from three fathers, is it? Both sides are equally idiotic.

As far as the 79% is concerned, it could be that women know far more often than they say and are just lying about who the dad is.

Judge orders the guy to pay child support despite him not only having proof that he is not the father but having proof who the father really is. The wife moves in with her boyfriend where she lives to this day. The really really fucked up asshole boyfriend sends the guy a thank you card every month when they get their child support check, sometimes saying stuff like "I think I'm going to take your ex out to a nice dinner, thanks for picking up the tab". Guy goes back to court with the letters, court says you signed the birth certificate so it is your kid, keep paying fucker.

Even if half of that story is hyperbole on the part of the guy paying I'm sure there are cases just like that. It is ridiculous.

Studies have shown that upward of 50% of married women will cheat. Not sure if you are married but if you are there is much larger chance then you think that she will cheat at some point in the relationship then you think.

Yes, but surely that stat is capable of being skewed. If you marry a girl who's known as a slut and spreads her legs after one beer she's likely to be part of that 50% group. I think that was his point. Your straight as an arrow wife may screw around but your used-to-be a complete slut girlfriend is more likely to.

 

[brycejones]

Feminists are working hard to make any places that deal with actual equality, or the issues men face, illegal, branding them "hate speech".

LOL, get out of your mom's basement.

 

[rudeguy]

The Famity Court system here is broken. The judges know it, lawyers know it, everyone knows it.

 

[Blue_Max]

LOL, get out of your mom's basement.

Everybody note the favorite feminist go-to retort: the wild accusation / personal insult.

 

[brycejones]

Everybody note the favorite feminist go-to retort: the wild accusation / personal insult.

After your stupid ranting about feminists coming to take your man hood you get what you give.

Also note if you don't see eye to eye with these nuts your a "feminist".....

Poor persecuted Blue_Max....

 

[Subyman]

If you think that's bad, check out the statutory rape victims forced to pay child support. http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/09/02/statutory-rape-victim-child-support/14953965/

Ouch again! He never reported the rape though. Seems like he was fine with it until he was on the hook monetarily. Pay $15,000 for your child? Hell no, I was a lonely boy that was taken advantage of.

 

[Darwin333]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michigan_Legislature
Michigan legislature has overwhelming Republican control, and with a Republican governor could change the law at any time. But I guess they prefer doing nothing and continuing to send innocent men to jail.

In California, documents in civil proceedings do not have to be delivered to the person named in the proceeding, referred to as personal service. If a complaint cannot be hand delivered to the person, “substitute” service is allowed, which essentially means that any adult can be served the summons and complaint at the residence or employment of the noncustodial parent. If that fails, service by publication is allowed, which means LCSAs {local child support agencies} can publish the notice of the complaint in the newspaper. Substitute service and service by publication make it possible that noncustodial parents are not aware of the legal proceeding being brought against them.

I have seen numbers in the 50-68% range of default paternity judgments in California. Then they have 6 months, in which time they may (and often don't) still not know of the judgement, to contest it. After that it is considered permanent. Plenty of stories of men actually spending a good deal of time in jail when they weren't the biological father but were "awarded" default paternity when they didn't even know they were being sued for paternity. Most don't find out until they either owe a fuckload of money or their checks start getting garnished. Then they have to lawyer up and even then, with proof, often get ruled against.

One poor sap in California had proof that he wasn't the father (and the mother was aware of said proof) two months prior to the woman claiming he was the father. He never recieved a summons or knew he was being sued, didn't know he was given default paternity for two kids, and over 6 months had lapsed. The first court, in California, he took it to ruled against him and said he owed the money.

In support of his motion, he noted that blood tests in a separate paternity action in San Bernardino County had conclusively proven a few months earlier that he was not the boys' father. Based on those tests, San Bernardino County authorities had dismissed their paternity suit against him with prejudice. Acknowledging the six-month period for setting aside the judgment under Code of Civil Procedure section 473 had long passed,he argued relief was nevertheless proper because the boys' mother had committed extrinsic fraud in asserting he was the father when in fact he was not, thus depriving him of a fair adversarial hearing.

The County opposed the motion, arguing appellant had not shown extrinsic fraud or mistake. According to the County, the mother's mere assertion that he was the father was insufficient to establish extrinsic fraud. Apparently agreeing with the County, the court denied appellant's motion to set aside the judgment. This appeal followed.

I wonder how much money it costs to fight a case like that all the way to an appeals court? I also wonder how much the poor sap paid in child support that, despite the suit, he will likely never be paid back since the default paternity happened in 96 and the court of appeal didn't reverse the ruling until 2004.

Lastly, they can and very often DO put men in jail for not paying child support. I wonder how many women, like the one above who knowingly and willfully committed fraud, go to jail for the opposite? I would wager few to none.

Republicans fault again or maybe, just maybe, this isn't a partisan issue?

https://scholar.google.com/scholar_...914865606&hl=en&as_sdt=2&as_vis=1&oi=scholarr

 

[Darwin333]

Ouch again! He never reported the rape though. Seems like he was fine with it until he was on the hook monetarily. Pay $15,000 for your child? Hell no, I was a lonely boy that was taken advantage of.

The vast majority of men do not report rape (regardless of sex of person they were raped by) and a very large portion of women who are raped don't report it either.

 

[Darwin333]

Send a bill to the legislature, obviously. Don't hold your breath.

Can you show me blue states that have passed bills barring default paternity or at least allowing a process to easily and cheaply reverse said rulings since it is very very easy and cheap to actually prove paternity these days? I'm not going to hold my breath on that one either.

 

[Darwin333]

As far as the 79% is concerned, it could be that women know far more often than they say and are just lying about who the dad is.

In a lot of cases the women have to put a name on their applications for welfare, food stamps, medicare, etc... If they don't know they have to pick one, keep in mind that they aren't going after the father for child support, they are simply trying to get benefits. It's the state that then goes after the guy whose name she just wrote and in a lot of states they don't have to try very hard to serve you so you are found to be the father by default when you don't show up to contest it in court because you didn't know about the court case. Then the state can and will drag its heals on enforcement and bam, you're beyond the window of reversal and you are legally responsible for the kid. By the time you find out you have been sued it's already to late, if that isn't a fucked up system I don't know what is.

Even if half of that story is hyperbole on the part of the guy paying I'm sure there are cases just like that.

I know the guy personally, it is 100% true and accurate.

It is ridiculous.Yes, but surely that stat is capable of being skewed. If you marry a girl who's known as a slut and spreads her legs after one beer she's likely to be part of that 50% group. I think that was his point. Your straight as an arrow wife may screw around but your used-to-be a complete slut girlfriend is more likely to.

Shrug, I don't know if thats true or not. I DO know that way more married women cheat than society thinks, even the ones you never thought capable, and a lot of men are unknowingly raising/supporting children that aren't theirs.

Matter of fact, its policy in some hospitals that if they have proof the father is not the husband to only tell the mother and not the husband. That's just fucked up.

IMO we should pass a federal law requiring DNA tests at birth and the results be released to the mother and husband/whoever is claiming or accused to be the father. That and it should be fraud to accuse someone of being the father when they aren't or at the very least disclosing that they might not be the father. I won't feel sorry for anyone going to jail because they "forgot" they fucked someone else around the time of conception. Knowing who your biological parents are can be extremely important for medical reasons so there are a lot of very good reasons to do this besides just preventing fraud and financial/emotional raping of the victim.

I also believe that if you are the father of a child that you have the right to know about that child and if you so desire be involved in that childs life, with obvious exceptions like serious domestic violence or rape. That should be a very basic right in our society, imho. Not only does fraud like this deprive one man of his rights and money it deprives another man of having a relationship with his child.

 

[alcoholbob]

If we had a "Mens' Rights" movement in this country, we could work on changing the laws to prevent these injustices, but we don't. Perhaps DNA-based paternity tests should be mandatory for all childbirths and declarations of fatherhood.

I'm not sure how a paternity test would help since the state is saying in this case that it's irrelevant whether he is the father or not. A woman put his name on the form as the father when she claimed federal benefits so now he is responsible for reimbursing the state.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Everybody note the favorite feminist go-to retort: the wild accusation / personal insult.

Would you like a hand climbing down from that cross?

btw, you need some new macros.

 

[Darwin333]

I'm not sure how a paternity test would help since the state is saying in this case that it's irrelevant whether he is the father or not. A woman put his name on the form as the father when she claimed federal benefits so now he is responsible for reimbursing the state.

It might not have helped with this specific case but it would help in a large portion of them.

 

[Jhhnn]

Can you show me blue states that have passed bills barring default paternity or at least allowing a process to easily and cheaply reverse said rulings since it is very very easy and cheap to actually prove paternity these days? I'm not going to hold my breath on that one either.

It's an equal opportunity for all of them. Michigan seems to have more problems than most.

In Michigan, it's also a great opportunity for supposed champions of family values, freedom, personal responsibility & justice to step up & make it happen, score an enormous victory for their credibility, as well. They could even use Colorado law as an easy template-

http://www.acf.hhs.gov/programs/css/resource/administrative-determination-of-paternity

 

[Jhhnn]

I'm not sure how a paternity test would help since the state is saying in this case that it's irrelevant whether he is the father or not. A woman put his name on the form as the father when she claimed federal benefits so now he is responsible for reimbursing the state.

Reference chickenshit right wing authoritarianism. Reference Catch22.

 

[alcoholbob]

Reference chickenshit right wing authoritarianism. Reference Catch22.

How is a right wing when its mostly left wing feminists who defend these kind of policies? And how is Detroit right wing? Or are you saying any left wing policies that fail can be called right wing authoritarianism?

 

[rudeguy]

It's an equal opportunity for all of them. Michigan seems to have more problems than most.

In Michigan, it's also a great opportunity for supposed champions of family values, freedom, personal responsibility & justice to step up & make it happen, score an enormous victory for their credibility, as well. They could even use Colorado law as an easy template-

http://www.acf.hhs.gov/programs/css/resource/administrative-determination-of-paternity

Our family court system is so broken that everyone knows it is beyond fixing. It would take literally eliminating the whole old system and starting new. It hurts every person involved in it who doesn't have a vagina.