State of Michigan finally pays Flint residents for water scandal.

shortylickens

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Actually the news is using the word Crisis.



For those who dont remember or never kept up with the situation: This is a scandal because many politicians were caught flat out lying about what they were doing with the water supply, why, and how. It ended up seriously poisoning the towns water system and caused a huge mess that went all the way back to D.C.
I think there were even allegations that EPA officials didnt do their jobs properly and misled the public about what was going on with the water. Dont know if anything ever came from that. Obama spoke on the situation several times but I'm not sure what happened with the White House involvement.
Their problems took a back seat in the news as other issues move up. There was a documentary on Netflix called Flint town and it suggested the lack of clean water combined with employment problems led to an increase in crime in an already troubled community. One of the bigger scandals was when city officials claimed everything was fixed and stopped trucking in bottled water, then later citizens learned their tap water was still bad.




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trenchfoot

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$600 mil ain't nearly enough to pay for the long term care of those many kids who have been permanently damaged by drinking the tainted water, let alone digging up and replacing the lead pipes in Flint.

If it were my kids, I'd sure as hell try to seek some kind of justice for them.
 

ch33zw1z

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$600 mil ain't nearly enough to pay for the long term care of those many kids who have been permanently damaged by drinking the tainted water, let alone digging up and replacing the lead pipes in Flint.

If it were my kids, I'd sure as hell try to seek some kind of justice for them.

Yup, not nearly enough. Many of the people exposed to lead will have problems for life.
 
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dawp

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It would probably cost around $40B to replace all lead service lines in the US. Maybe we should just do that.
I think that $40b is vastly underestimates the true cost. you can bet all cities, towns and villages on the east coast will need the pipes replaced.
 

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Actually the news is using the word Crisis.
So when are they arresting and charging the state governor and his puppets and cronies over this? They're all guilty as sin, of causing deliberate harm to people, covering said harm up, and also covering up their own involvement in the above.

I'm thinking life in prison, without possibility of parole, and without possibility of golf too. Give 'em the prison slavery treatment. Make license plates for life, or get slapped in solitary confinement. For life.
 
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K1052

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I think that $40b is vastly underestimates the true cost. you can bet all cities, towns and villages on the east coast will need the pipes replaced.

Even at the higher range estimate of 10 million lead service lines that would run about $50B all in.
 

dawp

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Even at the higher range estimate of 10 million lead service lines that would run about $50B all in.
is that considering the service lines from the municipal service in the street to the home? most of those the city won't touch as they are owned by the home owner and they will have to replace them out of their pockets.
 

K1052

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is that considering the service lines from the municipal service in the street to the home? most of those the city won't touch as they are owned by the home owner and they will have to replace them out of their pockets.

Those are the lines I'm talking about. Some older water mains types would have to be addressed (as lead accumulates in them) too at extra cost but you don't always have to dig it up like service lines if cast in place lining is done instead.
 

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Not only should all lead water lines be replaced, we should also be getting lead out of the topsoil.

Just track lead usage in automobiles and the crime rates in any country in the world. There's a lag of about 20 years as leaded gasoline increases to crime increases, as it causes cognitive disorders that make people more likely to commit violent crime. Then there's a lag of about 18-20 years as leaded gasoline is removed from use. The culmination of "super predators" in the early 90s, and then a massive dropoff in violent crime EVERYWHERE isn't a coincidence.

Turns out burning lead in automobiles that then leave a toxic lead trail everywhere automobiles go was a pretty god damn stupid fucking idea 90 years ago.

It's tragic and tragically amusing that humans know lead destroys brain functioning, and still decide, hey, let's use lead in this!
 

shortylickens

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So when are they arresting and charging the state governor and his puppets and cronies over this? They're all guilty as sin, of causing deliberate harm to people, covering said harm up, and also covering up their own involvement in the above.

I'm thinking life in prison, without possibility of parole, and without possibility of golf too. Give 'em the prison slavery treatment. Make license plates for life, or get slapped in solitary confinement. For life.
I've been reading this and other articles. Two years ago about 9 people took plea bargains. Last year the charges have been dropped while they dig up more evidence and build a stronger case.


The former governor has not been excused for his involvement, he just hasnt been arrested or tried, yet. Its going to happen, but they are moving cautiously. Looks like most of the officials involved are or were being charged. Does not appear that anyone is getting away with anything, but the prosecutors are moving slow.
 

shortylickens

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BUMP!!!


Read the dates!



There has been little progress since the January arrests. They let some people go with the intention of gathering more evidence in the hopes of charging them later.






The trial is taking a long time, due mostly to the state acquiring documents and Governor Snyder's legal team stalling the state whenever possible. And because its not very exciting the majority of news outlets dont report much.
 
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