State department: Hillary did not comply with policies

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Svnla

Svnla

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soundforbjt said:
Well, at least they will come out eventually, unlike the 30,000,000 or so that Rove deleted.
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Yes, the other guy(s) did it too defense.

Who said something about his administration would be the most transparent administration ever?


So much for that pipe dream. :D
 
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ivwshane

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Svnla said:
Yes, the other guy(s) did it too defense.

Who said something about his administration would be the most transparent administration ever?


So much for that pipe dream. :D
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According to what are you basing your claim on?
 
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Jhhnn

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One of the more interesting aspects of this is that the usual ravers are looking for a miracle indictment. They always think there will be a miracle- over the IRS, Benghazi, Fast & Furious, the birth certificate, on and on. When it doesn't happen they readily believe that the next contrived scandal will be the big one & that they've really been right about everything all along.

I think that if the FBI intended to indict Clinton it would have happened a long time ago. I also think that the White House has been briefed all along the way. That is not to infer meddling, at all, but rather knowledge. I also think that Clinton would have been forced to step aside if there were any real possibility of that.

But do go on.
 
werepossum

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Phoenix86 said:
Objection, asked and answered.
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lol +1

chucky2 said:
Deleted? No no, the hard drive crashed and it wasn't recoverable... :sneaky:
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:D Funny how often that happens in the federal government.

soundforbjt said:
Well, at least they will come out eventually, unlike the 22,000,000 or so that Rove deleted.
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One big difference - the Rove emails were on the RNC's political servers, which they are required by law to keep separate from official business. We know that the Bushies did some official business on those servers (surprising no one) but in the main, they are political emails, generally not discoverable via FOIA requests because they are not work for which taxpayers have paid. By contrast, the Hildabeast did ALL her official business on her own private server and turned over only what she wished - in print form. And as we know from the Blumenthal hack, those printed emails were both edited to suit her and included only those emails she wished to release, not all her official email. Same offense, just more egregious.
 
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werepossum said:
lol +1


:D Funny how often that happens in the federal government.


One big difference - the Rove emails were on the RNC's political servers, which they are required by law to keep separate from official business. We know that the Bushies did some official business on those servers (surprising no one) but in the main, they are political emails, generally not discoverable via FOIA requests because they are not work for which taxpayers have paid. By contrast, the Hildabeast did ALL her official business on her own private server and turned over only what she wished - in print form. And as we know from the Blumenthal hack, those printed emails were both edited to suit her and included only those emails she wished to release, not all her official email. Same offense, just more egregious.
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I do love it. Repubs disappear 22M emails in the midst of the Plame affair & the firing of US Attorneys for political reasons which obviously isn't as bad as Hillary's 60K emails over business as usual. All of the former are just... gone & the State Dept & the FBI have all of the latter.

It was clearly a mistake for Hillary to have used one server. Otherwise, she'd be able to make the same kind of bullshit claims you just made for the Bushistas.

And the deep dark secret behind the SoS emails? OMG! Some have been classified after the fact! Oh, Noes!
 
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It's a different kind of "mistake" when the thing you did was entirely on purpose. If it was wrong then, then it was clearly wrong when Hillary did it.

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werepossum

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Jhhnn said:
I do love it. Repubs disappear 22M emails in the midst of the Plame affair & the firing of US Attorneys for political reasons which obviously isn't as bad as Hillary's 60K emails over business as usual. All of the former are just... gone & the State Dept & the FBI have all of the latter.

It was clearly a mistake for Hillary to have used one server. Otherwise, she'd be able to make the same kind of bullshit claims you just made for the Bushistas.

And the deep dark secret behind the SoS emails? OMG! Some have been classified after the fact! Oh, Noes!
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lol Bush fires a handful of US Attorneys for alleged non-performance - shens! Clinton fires EVERY US Attorney on day one - brilliant government!

Again, the Pubbies' system was their POLITICAL system. Hillary's system was OUR OFFICIAL GOVERNMENT system - it just happened that she had total control over it. As to the State Department and the FBI having "all of the latter", they do not, at least to public knowledge. State doesn't even have the emails of its own underling, on its own system - they are (supposedly) trying to laboriously rebuild what few they can capture. For Hillary's, State and FBI have only those files of hers that she wishes them to have, since she had her server wiped. We have no idea how many emails there were, nor how many she has altered, since the Blumenthal hack proved that she both cut out official documents wholesale and edited them to suit her own purposes. She is the wholesale version of Sandy Berger.
 
werepossum

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Fern said:
Thanks, and Holy Shizz I thought you were kidding about 22 million. I thought you had an extra zero in there. I'll have to check this out later; 22 million emails? How did these people have time to do anything else?

Fern
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That's the RNC servers - they serve a LOT of people. And just as with Hillary, we have no way of knowing how many of those emails were actually official government business (and perhaps classified and/or sensitive too) except where they accidentally show up somewhere else. D.C. is a very corrupt place.

EDIT: Did a bit of searching and the story gets even more amusing. The missing emails were actually retrieved in 2009. Seems the drivers weren't wiped, they were just running a policy that deleted all emails after thirty days. Even more amusingly, the PBS story makes no mention of the fact that the emails were retrieved, but uses the 22,000,000 figure - which was discovered when the missing emails were retrieved. Before they were retrieved, the number was five million. Can we say "institutional bias"? 'Cause PBS sure as hell can.

This goes to show two things. First, the legitimate difficulty in complying with both the Hatch Act (which prohibits using federal resources for political activity) and the various federal records acts. You can get screwed either way. And second, the basic underlying corruption, on both sides. Hillary made everything private and shared what she wished - in printed form, so that she is free to edit to taste. The Bushies did not. However, when dealing with something that is clearly official business, they simply declared it political and moved to a non-discoverable political server. We literally cannot win.
http://gizmodo.com/5426338/re-re-re...illion-lost-bush-white-house-emails-recovered
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2009/12/exclusive-white-house-emails-case-nearing-settlement

It is noteworthy that the Bush White House did turn over its raw backup tapes to the National Archives, which is from where they were recovered. So in terms of honestly and transparency, they are miles ahead of Hillary. Yet as we see here, miles ahead of Hillary leaves lots of room for corruption.
 
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werepossum

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Svnla said:
https://www.yahoo.com/tech/experts-clinton-emails-could-compromised-161527775.html


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Would have to be a Valerie Plame-type "cover" to be outed by someone hacking into Hillary's email. Receiving email from State (or being mentioned in an email from/to State) would be as stupid as openly working at the CIA and then supposedly going "under cover" - it might irritate the CIA, but no one at that level of "cover" is going to produce anything even vaguely useful. Such an operative is much more likely to become a conduit for false information.
 
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