State Democrats shirking duty in yet another state.

[JD50]

Republicans have obstructed EVERYTHING, even things they used to support, solely for political gain. These Democrats are obstructing the legislature because they it's the right thing to do.

LOL

 

[JD50]

hell no you cant according to Boner...

I don't know what this means.

 

[her209]

Indiana Senate Leader says the bill is dead...

 

[Fern]

Indiana Senate Leader says the bill is dead...

And?

I keep hearing the state Repubs have another avenue - they can strip out the CBA part and pass that without a quroum, then wait for the Dems to return and just vote for the changes to the HI and retirement contributions (i.e., the 'money' part).

(Must have something to do with their state's legislative rules which I am not familiar with.)

If the current bill is dead I'm still expecting them to do something about this issue. I just can't the governor and Repubs giving up on this altogether.

Fern

 

[spidey07]

Indiana Senate Leader says the bill is dead...

And when the dems return, lock the doors and yell PSCYCH! Dems now are demanding other things unrelated to this bill. This is a mistake by Daniel's, give them an inch and they'll try to take a mile. You've got the majority, the people want you to do this, so ram it down their throats. Fuck those democrats good, fuck 'em and make them look like the fools they are.

That's what they should do - "ok, you win democrats" and then lock the doors, put the legislation to vote and move on.

 

[JockoJohnson]

Whatever happend to "Elections have consequences"? Our current President said those very words. Since the elections don't go with what some people believe, they just say "fuck it, I am out of here"? Hypocritical retards

 

[pcgeek11]

Yeah, unions are the sole problem with the country's money problems..

Nobody said they were the SOLE problem, just a very large part of it.

 

[nageov3t]

this seriously bothers me to no end.

I'm against the attempt to end collective bargaining, but if these were my representatives, I'd sure as hell vote against them for running away.

you were elected to legislate. work the channels in the state house, try to work out a compromise, and vote against the bill. if the bill passes, challenge the constitutionality of it in the courts and run a campaign in the next election cycle trying to get more people appointed to office who will vote to repeal it and if that fails, I guess the people will have spoken.

let the democratic process take place, don't go off into hiding because things aren't going your way.

 

[Illusio]

this seriously bothers me to no end.

I'm against the attempt to end collective bargaining, but if these were my representatives, I'd sure as hell vote against them for running away.

you were elected to legislate. work the channels in the state house, try to work out a compromise, and vote against the bill. if the bill passes, challenge the constitutionality of it in the courts and run a campaign in the next election cycle trying to get more people appointed to office who will vote to repeal it and if that fails, I guess the people will have spoken.

let the democratic process take place, don't go off into hiding because things aren't going your way.

This is a pretty level headed argument. People might be against the bill, but tough. That's how democracy works. You don't always get your way. If the people are really this opposed to this bill, they will vote these guys out of office and repeal it with the next group of legislators.
You don't always get to have your way. You may hate the bill, but you have a responsibility to represent your people who elected you. Go to work, voice your opinion, vote for your constituents.

 

[Darwin333]

It's not so easy waking your peoples up after a 7 day trailerpark meth binge. Spidey has a big job.

Cut the guy a break.

I thought you where against those kinds of generalizations?

 

[wuliheron]

This is a pretty level headed argument. People might be against the bill, but tough. That's how democracy works. You don't always get your way. If the people are really this opposed to this bill, they will vote these guys out of office and repeal it with the next group of legislators.
You don't always get to have your way. You may hate the bill, but you have a responsibility to represent your people who elected you. Go to work, voice your opinion, vote for your constituents.

What are you gonna do about it, huh? Lynch the bunch of them? Democracy is just a way to avoid violence and empower people and being imperfect it doesn't always work. If things start getting seriously out of hand then its time to start questioning why instead of pointing fingers and whining, "YOU DON'T PLAY FAIR!"

 

[Steeplerot]

I thought you where against those kinds of generalizations?

Spidey is far beyond a rational person. Folks living in delusion should be berated for their stupidity. How do you rationalize with a person who calls for assassination of fellow americans and labels his fellow countrymen enemies? They are too far gone. You dont, just as you do not give credibility to extremists delusions from the middle east. He is just the american version of the taliban, both want Americans dead. So why bother being rational?

If he ever showed a willingness to use his head then that would be a different story, until then he should be treated with one finger on tips.fbi.gov because of his past threats to the USA and derision for his extremist views.

Would be very bad for him to slip up and do something violent as he has used this forum to make threats for years -many folks have been watching his descent into violent extremism.

He is a textbook case of how talk radio drama divisive nonsense can be a direct path to violent radicalization for damaged and easily suggestible people.

So no, someone who wants people dead should not be coddled, as there is no basis for rational discussion with terrorists.

 

[nageov3t]

What are you gonna do about it, huh? Lynch the bunch of them? Democracy is just a way to avoid violence and empower people and being imperfect it doesn't always work. If things start getting seriously out of hand then its time to start questioning why instead of pointing fingers and whining, "YOU DON'T PLAY FAIR!"

personally? I'd give them a week and then start researching how to impeach/recall them for like dereliction of duty or something.

 

[Craig234]

this seriously bothers me to no end.

I'm against the attempt to end collective bargaining

WIth friends like you, who needs enemies?

, but if these were my representatives, I'd sure as hell vote against them for running away.

For doing the only thing they are able to do what you say you support above.

you were elected to legislate.

They aren't doing legislating by letting the Republicans destroy unions, which they oppose.

work the channels in the state house

That's nonsense words, there are no 'channels' that fix this.

, try to work out a compromise,

There is no 'compromise' with these ideologues at this point, have you followed them?

and vote against the bill. if the bill passes,

There's no 'if'.

challenge the constitutionality of it in the courts

A different law that guts union rights is constitutional.

and run a campaign in the next election cycle trying to get more people appointed to office who will vote to repeal it

As corporations pour millions into the elections and buy the results, that works well.

Why don't they just raise a lot from the unions? Oh, ya.

and if that fails[, I guess the people will have spoken.

No, the money of the monied interests - backing politicians, spreading propaganda, wins.

let the democratic process take place, don't go off into hiding because things aren't going your way.

You are ignoring the corruption of the 'democratic process' by the money being injected by these corrupt corporate interests and radical ideologue billionares.

They're facing a radical attack against many decades of the union rules that built the middle class we have, and they're using a radical tactic against it.

That's just what they should do to serve the public interest.

 

[pcgeek11]

Moron Alert.. ^^^^

 

[IndyColtsFan]

LOL @ Craig. What a freaking hypocrite.

 

[soundforbjt]

Nobody said they were the SOLE problem, just a very large part of it.

Maybe, just maybe the voters are sick of Unions bankrupting the country and now it's time to pay the fiddler.

Reads like that's where he's laying the blame to me. Even suggesting they are a big part of the country's current mess is false. There's many other things wrong much bigger than public unions.