Starting your own business?

Ultima

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I'm planning to start my own business with a friend next year when we both have cars and driver's licences. It would either be a proprietorship or a general partnership, I don't really know which route to go yet. The business would be going to people's houses and backing up their harddrives, cd's or dvd's, installing stuff for them, building PC's for them, etc...

How can we get started and get clients? How much cheaper would parts be for us being a business and all? Also, how would the profit sharing et al work with a proprietorship or partnership. What are the risks? Is this even a good idea for a business? As you can see, I don't really know much about this at all, so please educate me ;)
 

Miramonti

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home to home sounds like a pretty good idea as long as you don't get stuck with too much travel time. I imagine you'd get plenty of customers and they'd probably also be repeat customers if they like you. Most people hate to take their computers in somewhere, especially if they absolutely don't have to.
 

linuxboy

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b0mbrman, you are one sharp tack. Although I must point out that in this case, the young chap likely has nearly no seed money to invest, hence revenues generated from a venture will likely contribute to possible asset-building stemming from ordinary income as a result of business operations.

I'm planning to start my own business with a friend next year when we both have cars and driver's licences. It would either be a proprietorship or a general partnership, I don't really know which route to go yet.


What are the tax and liability considerations? Long-term plans? Financing and investing desires?

The business would be going to people's houses and backing up their harddrives, cd's or dvd's, installing stuff for them, building PC's for them, etc...


That's a decent idea, but what exactly is tha plan? What's the market? What are the expenses and projected sales/revenues figures? You DO want to run a business, right?

How can we get started and get clients?


Advertise. Go out and knock on doors (make sure this is legal, some cities require solicitors to register), go to local businesses, tell family and friends. be professional and courteous. Tell people you are builsing a business and ask them specifically to refer you to thers. Follow through on potential referrals with phone calls. Maintain contacts with clients to check further needs and ask for feedback. Basic business stuff... It should all be part of your plan and included in the targets and projections.

How much cheaper would parts be for us being a business and all?


Depends, how much are you going to buy? And from whom? What are the sales tax implications? What are the tax implications and inventory method used for accounting? What sort of depreciation scheme? As a rough estimate, you should be able to get about 15% off on parts, much more if you buy bulk.

Also, how would the profit sharing et al work with a proprietorship or partnership.


Proprietor has personal liability and has unlimited risk. Therefore, all profits after expenses and tax are distributed with a single tax on income as ordinary income. Really easy tax preparation for sole proprietorships.

General partnerships can agree on whatever they want. Members are managers but can hold different stakes and interest in the company. Profits are distributed according to percentage share. If you do 50-50, that makes things hard as disagreements have no way of being resolved. It's pretty straightforward.

Proprietroship, 1 person. Partnership, more than one person. Same liability and similar tax implications.

What are the risks?


You tell me, this is your industry. What type of insurance will you need? There's the obvious risk of losing your shirt. There's the risk of liability... You tell me.

Is this even a good idea for a business?


I haven't seen the numbers. The graveyard is full of good ideas. Stupid ideas that make millions are still stupid ideas but they're profitable. So show me research and I'll try and make some sense of it. :)

As you can see, I don't really know much about this at all, so please educate me


What exactly would you like to know? There's a lot one can say.

Cheers ! :)
 

xynder

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What happens if you drive out to the house of some serial rapist?

"Hello sir! You called us to re-load your CD-ROM drivers?"

"Yeah... I did... *smiles*"

"It shouldn't take long, sir *steps inside*"

"No, it shouldn't... I'm going for the record... *slams door*"
 

HappyPuppy

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Be prepared for calls at 10pm from someone who is panicking and wants you to show up immediately because they can't see anything on their monitor. When you get there at 11:30pm after driving through an ice storm you discover that there is a 16 block power outage on that side of town. After explaining to your customer that computers require electricity to operate you present your bill for $135 to the moron to cover all the time you have spent on him and he refuses to pay because you never touched his computer and you should have told him that over the phone.

If anything can happen, it will happen.
 

wyvrn

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Yeah but I will have defined hours. At 10pm they get my answering machine :) So instead I get to drive through the icestorm at 8am the next morning, and they will agree to my charges ahead of time, or I won't be leaving my warm house in the first place.



<< Be prepared for calls at 10pm from someone who is panicking and wants you to show up immediately because they can't see anything on their monitor. When you get there at 11:30pm after driving through an ice storm you discover that there is a 16 block power outage on that side of town. After explaining to your customer that computers require electricity to operate you present your bill for $135 to the moron to cover all the time you have spent on him and he refuses to pay because you never touched his computer and you should have told him that over the phone.

If anything can happen, it will happen.
>>

 

RSI

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Wow linuxboy, you seem to be pretty much on the ball with this stuff. Thank you for your input.

Kev, I guess we should be reading up on business and economics. Good thing I'll have some of that crap next semester, maybe it'll help. :p

Or we could just get our bitch (Dave) to look up all this info for us.. hehe.

Keep the posts comin'...
 

linuxboy

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Wow linuxboy, you seem to be pretty much on the ball with this stuff. Thank you for your input.

Balls have a tendency to be circular and thus 'being on the ball' is a constant balancing act, since they move around all the time. I posted a bunch of questions to the originator and it appears that more than one of you good gentlepeople are involved and thus far nobody has answered the many questions I posed to help you get through this process.

You need some professional advice and my ramblings can be a very close facsimile, especially after a few cold ones or enough coffee. You can read, but then you'll get even more unanswered questions. Let's do this systematically. Or talk to someone who knows their stuff in the community (not OT). Plenty of resources/organizations/clubs exist to help you get started and do this legally and correctly. You need to have a good foundation, else the business will crumble later on.

Kev, I guess we should be reading up on business and economics. Good thing I'll have some of that crap next semester, maybe it'll help. :p


Heh. Yeah.

Keep the posts comin'...


I don't really see what else needs resolving. You aren't providing us with enough info to formulate a coherent and applicable solution.

Cheers ! :)
 

Ultima

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linuxboy, thx for the tips but as for the other stuff I really have no idea, that's why I asked. I don't even know what the going rate would be for this sort of business, how it works with suppliers or any of that. I have a lot to learn, I know, but I have a year to learn it before we start. I think I'm gonna make it a proprietorship as that will make it easier to settle disputes. I'll still give my partners their fair share and maybe later on when we decide to take it farther we'll turn it into a partnership.
 

Frosty3799

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i do this for a few local families... since they are only a few minutes away, i dont really charge travel time... but my going rate is about $10/hour ... and if i have to do a full format and reinstall of everything, i charge $25...

usually a house call will last from 1.5-2 hours, so its usually 15-20 bucks a visit, and its basic stuff, like setting up a network, installing a printer, etc.... i am sure you wont run into anything much harder than that.

if i am going to do a full format, i give them the option of dropping off the computer, and then i will return and it will be $25, or i come to their house and do it (which means i cant be doing stuff at the same time) and i charge ~35-40 for the visit.

hope this helps you

oh yea, and also my brother and a neighbor kid are starting up their own little local business for building and servicing computers... they are going to charge $20 (which i think is really too low, since i charge about $50) for making a full system, and like $10/hour for house calls.

 

Ultima

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k linuxboy,

tax and liability considerations? I dunno... as for long term plans, the plan is to gain money and experience from this venture so that maybe several years down the line, we'll be ready for something bigger and more challenging such as a small software firm or computer store.

The plan? The plan is to provide services to people in their homes rather than having them come to us. Something's wrong with their PC, we go and diagnose it for them. They want to back up something, we go back it up for them. They want to install a new motherboard, we do it for them. The market is anyone who lacks the expertise or equipment to do these sorts of things themselves, or simply don't want to be bothered to rip off all the cables and stick the thing in the car and drive off to a store only to wait for a few hours or days without their PC till its fixed.
Expenses? Well, the cars for one, as they will be our main mode of travel. They will be the main expense, as well as the time needed to get there. Tools will be a small expense. I don't think I'll pay a salary, instead we get half the profits or something like that, but I don't know what's the best way to go about it.

We wouldn't be really buying a lot of parts in bulk, rather say if someone's videocard busted we could go "okay, we'll buy one for you and you'll have to pay X amount" off of which we would make a small profit to make it worthwhile.

The main risks to me are if some guy goes "you broke my comp I'm gonna sue" or some BS like that. Or there are physical risks if we go to some lunatic's place. Risks if they live in a bad neighbourhood. Risk that we get into a car accident while going back to their place with some expensive parts. Crap like that...

The main, most significant issue to me is how to organize the business. A partnership seems most "fair" but could also cause the most trouble and rip apart the business and the friendship, and I don't want either to happen. I'm totally lost on this issue, don't know what would both be fair and also allow for easy settling of disputes etc...
I think that if we said "okay, we both invest $5000 to start this thing" then maybe there would be less risk cause if you cheat the business you're cheating yourself as well. Only problem would be for decision making. Maybe if I invest $5000 and my friend $2500 so I have main control but he gets a fair share of the profits too (proportional to the amount he invested). But on this issue, I'm really clueless. I know what I want the business to be, but I don't know how to go about the implementation of it, that's the thing :)
 

Zebo

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b0mbrman, you are one sharp tack.
Wow linuxboy, you seem to be pretty much on the ball

They are both quick on the draw! IMO.
 

Ultima

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<< i do this for a few local families... since they are only a few minutes away, i dont really charge travel time... but my going rate is about $10/hour ... and if i have to do a full format and reinstall of everything, i charge $25...

usually a house call will last from 1.5-2 hours, so its usually 15-20 bucks a visit, and its basic stuff, like setting up a network, installing a printer, etc.... i am sure you wont run into anything much harder than that.

if i am going to do a full format, i give them the option of dropping off the computer, and then i will return and it will be $25, or i come to their house and do it (which means i cant be doing stuff at the same time) and i charge ~35-40 for the visit.

hope this helps you

oh yea, and also my brother and a neighbor kid are starting up their own little local business for building and servicing computers... they are going to charge $20 (which i think is really too low, since i charge about $50) for making a full system, and like $10/hour for house calls.
>>



Hmm.. now I have a bit more of an idea of what to charge.
I was thinking of charging 25 cents canadian for every km travelled over 5km (so if they lived 30km or 20 miles away that'd be $6.25 CDN for the gas and time), and charging a base rate of $10 just for showing up + X$ amount depending on what we do. Different rates for different tasks.. or some tasks would be a flat fee. Formatting + Installing an OS perhaps $30. Installation of motherboard and CPU $30. If somehow we were unable to complete the task for whatever reason then the only charge they'd incur is the $10 plus travel.
We'd have to have some kind of contract to sign so that they can't go "we're gonna sue your ass cause of whatever" even if we weren't responsible, or hell, if we were responsible we still need some kind of protection in case we do mess up. Same thing if they ask us to back up a CD or something (I'd have a maximum of one backup per visit) so they can't say we were doing illegal stuff. Just a disclaimer that says we assume their material is legal and we're not responsible if it wasn't..
 

GoodRevrnd

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I'll probably be charging $40/hr for on-sites and about $40 flat for drop-offs. But I'm just doing this as a side thing to supplement my income and for experience and such, so I may charge as low as $20, anything less than that seems really low. I'm rather concerned with the personal liability aspect of all this and need for insurance, however. Maybe I should just stick to under the table dealings w/ people I know and less profits for me. =/
 

Russ

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Linuxboy,

Great post. I saved it in case I ever decide to go in to business.

Russ, NCNE