Well, I didn't even have my system up and running for twelve hours and it did that annoying rebooting thing. It's running hotter than it was before I rebuilt it, but it's also got a lot more high end parts. My bedroom, where the computer is, tends to hang at 80F no matter what I do to drop to the temp, the CPU and MB both are running about 44/40C. I'm kinda at a loss here. I thought new paste would fix the issue. I do not have the money to invest in water cooling, so I'm stuck with fans. Can anyone give me some advice about how to cool this stupid machine down? I'm about ready to just RMA everything a piece at a time and see if that helps things.
Starting to get frustrating
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Hi.I understand you live in a hot area,but i see no reason those temps would cause rebooting.Hell,i remember the days of having a 1ghz AMD processor that still ran ok unkowing the fan had died.I believe around 80c+ becomes a serious problem if i remember the newer white sheets right. Pull the side of the case off and run a fan right up into it to check this.Reseat anything possible.I suspect maybe even your bios temp settings to shutdown are set too low for your environment if at default settings.Is event viewer giving you any hint at all?Is the heatsink aligned proper to manual?Yes,you can put it on wrong(backwards).Good Luck,i don't post much but feel your frustrations.People look for complex solutions that are usually something simple,but overlooked.
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44/40 seems fine. if you have an amd chip the threshold is 62c, if you have intel the threshold is a lot higher (believe its 100c? correct me if im wrong). but either way, you shouldn't have a problem. my guess is some component in your system is probably not stable. disable auto restart and if you see bsod, record the code and post it here.
here is the directions on how to disable automatic restart:
start -> control panel -> system -> advance system settings -> startup and recovery -> uncheck "automatic restart"
btw next time could you plz make your posting into paragraphs? easier on the eyes.
here is the directions on how to disable automatic restart:
start -> control panel -> system -> advance system settings -> startup and recovery -> uncheck "automatic restart"
btw next time could you plz make your posting into paragraphs? easier on the eyes.
I have an AMD Phenom II X4 in the new system. Auto restart has been disabled, but I've never seen the slightest hint of BSOD when I've seen it shut down.
At the moment I have a small desk fan blowing right into the case. It's cooled things down on the board quite a bit. The last time I checked the temps the board was only at 28C, that's the coolest it's been so far. The CPU temp was down to 42C.
I plan on running it till it either restarts or I hit the four day mark. That's the longest the system has made it without rebooting itself. If it can make it four full days without rebooting, I'll look into rearranging my fans and adding a new one.
At the moment I have a small desk fan blowing right into the case. It's cooled things down on the board quite a bit. The last time I checked the temps the board was only at 28C, that's the coolest it's been so far. The CPU temp was down to 42C.
I plan on running it till it either restarts or I hit the four day mark. That's the longest the system has made it without rebooting itself. If it can make it four full days without rebooting, I'll look into rearranging my fans and adding a new one.
I realize I'm jumping in here late but... What is your system build? Do you have it OC'd at all? If your having the issues with the case closed but not with it open and fanned you may just have an air issue in your case. Even with a high end cooler, bad airflow can crush a systems temps. I'd also test out your chip.. get prime 95 and run it while watching the cpu temp on something like everest. Tell us what the max temp you are hitting on that is.
My build is:
AMD Phenom II X4 955
Asus M4A79XTD Evo mobo
4 gig of OCZ ram
XFX Radeon HD 5770 GPU
535 Watt Enermax PSU
1 TB WD Caviar blue
It's running Windows XP Pro and no I haven't overclocked it at all.
I've tested the CPU and it ran for 8 hours without restarting or having an error. The very next morning it rebooted while playing Sims 2. I don't think it's a hardware issue, though an airflow issue is starting to look like the culprit. I didn't have everest going to monitor the temp. Does everest record temps so I can run it while I'm at work and see a log or do you have to actually be looking at it to see the temps?
I ran everest for 15 minutes. I'll run it again when I get ready for work. That'll give it about an hour to run.
The temps I got during the 15 minute are 42C/53C. Those don't sound dangerously high to me. That's also with a desk fan blowing into the case. I'll run it again with the fan off and the side panel on later.
The temps I got during the 15 minute are 42C/53C. Those don't sound dangerously high to me. That's also with a desk fan blowing into the case. I'll run it again with the fan off and the side panel on later.
Are you running the everest stability test? If so prime95 is generally a better indicator especially as the main question here is your CPU.
I went ahead and downloaded and ran Prime95 as well. It only ran for about 15 minutes as well. But it did get a little hotter with Prime than with everest. The max time it of each core was 55C and the total CPU temp was 51C. Still with the fan blowing into the case. No time to close everything up yet.
Any recommendations about how long I should run Prime for when I get home? Or should I just let it run til something happens?
Any recommendations about how long I should run Prime for when I get home? Or should I just let it run til something happens?
Is it only rebooting when playing games? It could be an issue with video cards temp (again air flow). What case do you have or if an older case how have you set up your fans.
How did you test it? Just keeping the system on idling or did you run some sort of a benchmark?
Also what type of OCZ ram? I had 2x2 sticks of the 1066 OCZ reapers for a while that were refusing to run at 1066. Any DDR2 ram running faster than 800 is technically overclocked. It's usually not a problem, but with some mobo's its a no go. I currently have G.Skills that are OC'd no problem, just the reapers gave me issues.
How did you test it? Just keeping the system on idling or did you run some sort of a benchmark?
Also what type of OCZ ram? I had 2x2 sticks of the 1066 OCZ reapers for a while that were refusing to run at 1066. Any DDR2 ram running faster than 800 is technically overclocked. It's usually not a problem, but with some mobo's its a no go. I currently have G.Skills that are OC'd no problem, just the reapers gave me issues.
Do you have a spare PSU lying around you could try? preferably one with a higher output. When you rebuilt the computer, did you replace the PSU or use the same one as before? I don't have the numbers memorized 535 W seems a little low for that spec (though I may be talking out my ass on that). At anyrate the PSU could be going, even if it's beefy enough to run the parts.
Generally the only two things that will shut down a computer without a BSOD are overheating and power failure. I agree with, well, pretty much every post here, in that the temps you are seeing are not that high at all. Hell my computer idles higher than that (Intel, but still).
TL;DR - find a way to test the PSU; make sure the PSU has enough output to run components @ load.
Generally the only two things that will shut down a computer without a BSOD are overheating and power failure. I agree with, well, pretty much every post here, in that the temps you are seeing are not that high at all. Hell my computer idles higher than that (Intel, but still).
TL;DR - find a way to test the PSU; make sure the PSU has enough output to run components @ load.
Uhm, generally if it's running OK on Prime for an hour or even half that your CPU temp should be ok. There's a few decent ones for your video card too, I ussually use furmark.. (especially if its only kicked when playing video games).
And Devil is right, most RAM issues will blue screen ya. So if no screens they shouldn't be the first culprit.
And Devil is right, most RAM issues will blue screen ya. So if no screens they shouldn't be the first culprit.
It reboots randomly. It's done it twice when playing Sims 2. Once when I was at work so the whole system was in idle. And once when I was just web surfing.
I've tested the memory thoroughly using both WinDiag and LinX. Memory tested fine in with both tests.
The PSU is an old one. I didn't have the money to upgrade it when I upgraded everything else. And I'm still trying to decide on one. I've run the system specs on three different wattage calculators and all of them say I'm just fine as far as wattage goes. One said 435 and the others said 333. I don't have any way to test the PSU, but if the fan in the case trick works, I might not have to.
My case is an older one, it's the generic of the X-blade from Logisys. It's gotten really good reviews as far as airflow goes. My current setup with fans is one on the side in the middle of the case bringing cool air in and one on the back blowing hot air out. The PSU has two fans as well.
Prime has also been running for a half hour at this point and the temps haven't gotten above 56.
I've tested the memory thoroughly using both WinDiag and LinX. Memory tested fine in with both tests.
The PSU is an old one. I didn't have the money to upgrade it when I upgraded everything else. And I'm still trying to decide on one. I've run the system specs on three different wattage calculators and all of them say I'm just fine as far as wattage goes. One said 435 and the others said 333. I don't have any way to test the PSU, but if the fan in the case trick works, I might not have to.
My case is an older one, it's the generic of the X-blade from Logisys. It's gotten really good reviews as far as airflow goes. My current setup with fans is one on the side in the middle of the case bringing cool air in and one on the back blowing hot air out. The PSU has two fans as well.
Prime has also been running for a half hour at this point and the temps haven't gotten above 56.
The fear with an older PSU isn't so much the wattage as it may start going and give inconsistent wattage.
If your side fan is blowing in, depending on your CPU fan you could be negating a bit of airflow there... If your topping at 55 under load with out an OC I wouldn't worry about it though. Good airflow on a case from 5 years ago doesn't always make the cut now a days though. But your video card tends to run cooler so. Did it ever crash with the case open and fanned? If so then you can rule out airflow.
Did you get a chance to stress test your video card and see the temps there? I'd also check your CPU temps at the same time just to make sure the overall ambient temp increase isn't setting your CPU over the edge.
If your side fan is blowing in, depending on your CPU fan you could be negating a bit of airflow there... If your topping at 55 under load with out an OC I wouldn't worry about it though. Good airflow on a case from 5 years ago doesn't always make the cut now a days though. But your video card tends to run cooler so. Did it ever crash with the case open and fanned? If so then you can rule out airflow.
Did you get a chance to stress test your video card and see the temps there? I'd also check your CPU temps at the same time just to make sure the overall ambient temp increase isn't setting your CPU over the edge.
I'm testing the GPU now. The CPU temp isn't changing much if at all. But the GPU temp is at 83C and holding now. This is with the fan blowing into the case. Is that too hot? I'm not sure what those are supposed to run.
Uhm thats kinda high especially with your case open and a fan going. It is with in range, but I'd bet it cranks up substantially higher once the case is closed and locked. I'd try putting the system through some serious rounds open and see what happens. Have you had it crash when open yet?
No crashing with it open at all. It's been on since about 11 am without a hitch. It wasn't on overnight thanks to a storm system moving through that rattled my walls with thunder. I'm going to leave it on tonight and see what happens. If it reboots, I'll post it here.
And by rounds, what specifically do you mean? Just gaming sessions or testing the GPU more?
And by rounds, what specifically do you mean? Just gaming sessions or testing the GPU more?
Uhm, I think a day or two of gaming etc would be a decent indicator. If you really wanted to shove it you could run furmark and prime at the same time, but thats a bit of overkill. For your issues there's a few that test all of em, but gaming is about the same. Do you have the stock fan or an aftermarket?
If its good open and not when you close it you know you have an air flow issue.
If its good open and not when you close it you know you have an air flow issue.
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So far we're on day two and no reboots.
The fan is stock with new thermal paste. I have a feeling I'm going to be getting another fan to keep things cooler. I just need to see what size fan fits in my last slot and figure out if it needs to bring air in or pull air out.
The fan is stock with new thermal paste. I have a feeling I'm going to be getting another fan to keep things cooler. I just need to see what size fan fits in my last slot and figure out if it needs to bring air in or pull air out.
I'd bet its an airflow issue then. I'de close it up and play a game or two and see.. 3:1 it reboots.
Where is your PSU? Is it top or bottom mounted? You could atleast toss an intake on the front of the case. Although with your rooms ambient being around 80 (I think this is what you said) it's gonna be hard with out replacing the case or modding it.
Where is your PSU? Is it top or bottom mounted? You could atleast toss an intake on the front of the case. Although with your rooms ambient being around 80 (I think this is what you said) it's gonna be hard with out replacing the case or modding it.
Well, my computer decided to show me what it's doing, and it is a blue screen error apperantly. It's just flashing by so quick I didn't notice. I haven't had a change to google the stop error yet, but here it is:
0x0000000d1 (0x953A1000 0x00000002, 0x00000000, 0xA91150D8)
Under the error code it said 'viahauaa.sys address A91150D8 base at A90ED000'
So, maybe it wasn't an over heating issue after all, just a ninja BSOD.
0x0000000d1 (0x953A1000 0x00000002, 0x00000000, 0xA91150D8)
Under the error code it said 'viahauaa.sys address A91150D8 base at A90ED000'
So, maybe it wasn't an over heating issue after all, just a ninja BSOD.
Was this with the system closed? It could still be a heating issue. Just the heat effecting something different than before.
Wow, 12C decrease with the panel off?
That said, seeing that it crashed in idle (at work) or during web surfing eliminates temperatures as a problem. This also eliminates RAM, since a RAM-based BSOD/restart would only manifest during loads (i.e. gaming/benching, etc.)
Anyway, for the safety of your components, I would strongly recommend a newer case in the near future (i.e. later this month). But I would definitely try a Corsair PSU from your local B&M immediately.
That said, seeing that it crashed in idle (at work) or during web surfing eliminates temperatures as a problem. This also eliminates RAM, since a RAM-based BSOD/restart would only manifest during loads (i.e. gaming/benching, etc.)
Anyway, for the safety of your components, I would strongly recommend a newer case in the near future (i.e. later this month). But I would definitely try a Corsair PSU from your local B&M immediately.
That was with the panel off, yes.
It wasn't just with a panel off, it was with the panel off and a desk fan, on high, blowing directly on the parts.
A new PSU is coming, as soon as I can get the extra money for one. As for a new case, I'm looking for one, but I can't find one I like as well as my current one.
Today has been a day of testing since I've had the day off. I'm thinking it's not an overheating issue thanks to BSOD I got and the temps I've been getting. I've tested the machine both with the side on and off, no fan this time. They're hotter with the side on, but nothing that sounds dangerously so.
Here's what I got. The GPU with the side off, running Furmark is 91C. With the side on it's 93C. I'm thinking the card may need RMA'd given how loud it is and the temp, but no restarts from it.
The CPU with the side off, running prime95 is 54C overall, 57C in each individual core. With the side back on it's 57C over all 60C in each core.
The motherboard hangs at went from 38C with the side off to 40C with the side on.
I also figured out the file that caused the BSOD. It's the driver for the integrated sound card on the motherboard. I updated that. So hopefully it's all fixed, but only time will tell.
Here's what I got. The GPU with the side off, running Furmark is 91C. With the side on it's 93C. I'm thinking the card may need RMA'd given how loud it is and the temp, but no restarts from it.
The CPU with the side off, running prime95 is 54C overall, 57C in each individual core. With the side back on it's 57C over all 60C in each core.
The motherboard hangs at went from 38C with the side off to 40C with the side on.
I also figured out the file that caused the BSOD. It's the driver for the integrated sound card on the motherboard. I updated that. So hopefully it's all fixed, but only time will tell.
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