Ok guys. now, playing as protoss vs protoss, you tend to see a few strategies come up more often than others. Namely, you see mass dragoons, mass carriers, or an arbiter drop. I can fare pretty well with my carriers and templar against other carriers(cuz they stack, makes it easy as pie to storm) and the arbiter drop(12carriers and cannons vs 4 arbiters...no contest), but I can't find an efficient way to knock off goons without going head to head with them.
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get zealots with the upgraded speed, and they can take out dragoons...I don't know how you would eliminate them without going head to head with them.
Make sure you upgrade your units.
Use psi storm.
Throw in some zealots to draw some fire away from your goons.
Use psi storm.
Throw in some zealots to draw some fire away from your goons.
I don't usually go with zealots...it should prolly work tho. I have nothing going head to head with them, but I'd prefer to have an advantage since I'm usually under-manned when I'm attacked(I like to attack then you send your army my way). Like I'd have no trouble throwing firebats at zealots and zerglings or zerglings at an ultralisk, my psi storms only take out maybe 3 or 4. Against carriers, the stack is dead. Guardians, 15-16 easy. I need the efficiency to offset the fact that my carriers will be away, trying to knock away their base. I'm gonna try zealots now tho. thx guys
I use corsairs, make a wall of zealots to stop dragoons, put a disruption web(on dragoons, it disables them while they are under it) and fire as many storms as possible. By the time he tries to get the dragoons out the way, they will already be dead
I love Starcraft. My favorite game.
Anyway... for the dragoons, depends, are you playing regular Starcraft, or are you playing Starcraft Broodwar? If you are playing Broodwar, I will suggest you use dark templars, keep observers around, and also use arbiters for any units you have lying around including those carriers. Carriers won't do jack against a mass amount of dragoons, but they will wipe any small amount, since the interceptors f*ck up the dragoons good.
I typically don't play as Protoss, I don't know why. I play a fair amount with all races, but I prefer to use Terran or Zerg. Zerg I prefer to use cause lately I've been owning some with them, mainly with cheap huge masses. I find Zerg are hard to use good strategy with, since they're such weak bastards. I have yet to lose when attacking someone with thirty-three terran battlecruisers, though. I came close, but I still had ~6 or 8 left after they used their horde of templars, dragoons, etc.
Anybody playing SC tonight? I will be, so does anybody wanna join my friend and I? 2v2s, 3v3s 4v4s? Do you guys usually play BGH? I tend to, just cause i'm in the habit of it, and I just like the map, I know everyone plays it.. but still. I find the majority of maps suck hard. And I don't want to have to worry about money half-way through the game, so that's another good thing about BGH, good money supply.
If anyone wants to play, 5935798 on ICQ, or perhaps PM me, although that's not as good of a way to contact me.
-RSI
Anyway... for the dragoons, depends, are you playing regular Starcraft, or are you playing Starcraft Broodwar? If you are playing Broodwar, I will suggest you use dark templars, keep observers around, and also use arbiters for any units you have lying around including those carriers. Carriers won't do jack against a mass amount of dragoons, but they will wipe any small amount, since the interceptors f*ck up the dragoons good.
I typically don't play as Protoss, I don't know why. I play a fair amount with all races, but I prefer to use Terran or Zerg. Zerg I prefer to use cause lately I've been owning some with them, mainly with cheap huge masses. I find Zerg are hard to use good strategy with, since they're such weak bastards. I have yet to lose when attacking someone with thirty-three terran battlecruisers, though.
I came close, but I still had ~6 or 8 left after they used their horde of templars, dragoons, etc.Anybody playing SC tonight? I will be, so does anybody wanna join my friend and I? 2v2s, 3v3s 4v4s? Do you guys usually play BGH? I tend to, just cause i'm in the habit of it, and I just like the map, I know everyone plays it.. but still. I find the majority of maps suck hard. And I don't want to have to worry about money half-way through the game, so that's another good thing about BGH, good money supply.
If anyone wants to play, 5935798 on ICQ, or perhaps PM me, although that's not as good of a way to contact me.
-RSI
Bah if you try to use zealots to go head to head with the goons you will lose, unless you are playin a newbie it will work....otherwise a good toss player will micromanage his goons and just keep them out of range and keep moving them farther away as you come in. Your best bet is to go all goons also but with a mix of zealots. When the goons engage each other send in the zealots so they are not the main targets, again needing to micromanage. Some of the other peoples suggestions are more end game type stuff...a good toss player will never let you get enough money or the time to build all those carriers or what not...
the problem isn't the fact that I don't know how to kill the goons. The problem is, I don't know how to kill that many of them with the resources I have. My defenses(on money maps) usually consist of a quad layer of cannons all around, a few probes to replace them, and maybe 30 templar with psi storms and some arbiters. But I've been hit by multiple players who've massed up armies of goons of sizes that need 3 numbers to show. I can take out a large number of them with cannons to slow and storms to kill, but I get overrun eventually. I can deflect guardians, bcs, carriers, marines, siege tanks, etc well enough, but with goons, they're like zerglings sometimes...no matter how many I kill, they keep coming back for more.
geez these SC threads are really beginning to make me want to reinstall it
RSI, i might have to take you up on that
RSI, i might have to take you up on that
You're not one of those players that just sits on the defense while wasting lots of resources on cannons are you?
If you are getting attacked by that many things a couple of reavers will help soften the load up....if you are on defense keep reavers near a couple of shield batteries...attack with reavers and psi storm and you should be fine..as long as you have enough goon support....or zealot support if its mass zealots...
If you are getting attacked by that many things a couple of reavers will help soften the load up....if you are on defense keep reavers near a couple of shield batteries...attack with reavers and psi storm and you should be fine..as long as you have enough goon support....or zealot support if its mass zealots...
<< the problem isn't the fact that I don't know how to kill the goons. The problem is, I don't know how to kill that many of them with the resources I have. My defenses(on money maps) usually consist of a quad layer of cannons all around, a few probes to replace them, and maybe 30 templar with psi storms and some arbiters. But I've been hit by multiple players who've massed up armies of goons of sizes that need 3 numbers to show. I can take out a large number of them with cannons to slow and storms to kill, but I get overrun eventually. I can deflect guardians, bcs, carriers, marines, siege tanks, etc well enough, but with goons, they're like zerglings sometimes...no matter how many I kill, they keep coming back for more. >>
Oh my god, you're a turtler! If you ever played me, you'd be dead before that first layer ever got completed.
Even if you got the layers up, any good player will be able to take you out. Quick reaver strikes will totally bust up your cannons. Have a couple shuttles each carrying ONE reaver drop some, and then do a warp with an arbiter. The reavers drop and bust your cannons up, but by the time other cannons are ready to fire, my reavers are gone. Also, have you ever seen a 1 carrier, 3 halo carrier cover? Those things will cover my reavers as I bust up your cannons. Also, I like to run in some things, and then stasis my own guys. Yea, you better watch it, huh? You have to move men from your main defense to defend against the guys that'll come out of statis, then I'll bust in from the front. The best defense is a mobil offense.
If he's got a lot of goons and you like BGH, then stasis works wonders. In a choke, stasis some of his goons up front, and the rest will be stuck behind. bring in some temps, and there'll be nothing but goo on the ground.
For early and mid game, a good microer should be able to win with 2 groups of goons, and a group of zots. move the 2 goons about. Using one as cover and the other to fire. About half way into the battle, send in the zots to clean up. Quick hot keying and you should be spending about 3 seconds total to command and then go back to your resources.
Last time I played, my record was 10,560+,30. Yes, I was the guy that left at the end of the game.
EDIT: Needed to add a word.
<< wats ur record in starcraft, Presence? >>
Well before Broodwar came out I use to play on the Bnet ladder frequently and was once a top 20 player on the ladder...before all the rampant map hacks and disconnects from people losing to preserve their record started pissing me off. After broodwars I just played normal games 1v1 2v2 or whatever I could just to have fun. Not to brag or anything but I could say confidently that I was a pretty damn good starcraft player after playing it day in and day out for over a year and off and on after that..
Well I am kinda of a beginning expert(oxymoron!) and wanted to sharpen my skills up more. Wondering if we could have a game sometime?
My last finals are tomorrow, so after that, I'll be up for some games. If you guys ever feel like getting a whooping, then just gimme a PM or aim.
I was the best player in my school by far back in junior year. When me and my friends played, the teams would be me and the worst people. The teams would be me + guy against guy + guy + guy. Teams would usually be about 3-2 or along those lines. My skills might have dulled a lil bit since played (got that loss record up there) back in spring break of senior year.
I was the best player in my school by far back in junior year. When me and my friends played, the teams would be me and the worst people. The teams would be me + guy against guy + guy + guy. Teams would usually be about 3-2 or along those lines. My skills might have dulled a lil bit since played (got that loss record up there) back in spring break of senior year.
<< Well I am kinda of a beginning expert(oxymoron!) and wanted to sharpen my skills up more. Wondering if we could have a game sometime? >>
I would take you up on that offer but currently I am deployed in Bosnia for the next 2 and a half months. And I dont think I could justify to the military that I needed to install Starcraft to carry on my mission
Otherwise we would game.....
<< You're not one of those players that just sits on the defense while wasting lots of resources on cannons are you?
If you are getting attacked by that many things a couple of reavers will help soften the load up....if you are on defense keep reavers near a couple of shield batteries...attack with reavers and psi storm and you should be fine..as long as you have enough goon support....or zealot support if its mass zealots... >>
actually, the first thing I usually do is to build a few goons, then templar, then carriers...but when I play 4v4 or 3v3, everyone always hits the unit cap on maps very quickly. I figure wil my units are poppin out, every cannon I build is one less bc/goon/templar, I have to deal with. I don't do rushing very well. People are usually fairly well defended from it.
2 bad, would have been great playing against you O well, for the guys who can play ,why dont we have some kind of "Anandtech" starcraft gang? That would be lots of fun!
O well, for the guys who can play ,why dont we have some kind of "Anandtech" starcraft gang? That would be lots of fun!you suggested an anandtech clan? ewww. only newbies do that.
btw, best way to defeat goons is mass goons yourself BUT take advantage of chokeholds and such. limit the amount of goons that can reach your guys. you'll win if your goons have more space and freedom to hit his goons. like someone above mentioned, use stasis on the first batch. or research web and web the front. regardless if you're fighting goons or not, NEVER EVER EVER fight on a wide open field.
and oh yeah if you're able to amass 30 templars for defense, your strategy sure does suck. and the guys who let you amass 30 templars are even worst.
last but not lease, UPGRADE, UPGRADE, UPGRADE.
p.s. i'm willing to play a bit with some of you guys after my last final this thursday. someone make a list of names and we'll get together this weekend or something.
btw, best way to defeat goons is mass goons yourself BUT take advantage of chokeholds and such. limit the amount of goons that can reach your guys. you'll win if your goons have more space and freedom to hit his goons. like someone above mentioned, use stasis on the first batch. or research web and web the front. regardless if you're fighting goons or not, NEVER EVER EVER fight on a wide open field.
and oh yeah if you're able to amass 30 templars for defense, your strategy sure does suck. and the guys who let you amass 30 templars are even worst.
last but not lease, UPGRADE, UPGRADE, UPGRADE.
p.s. i'm willing to play a bit with some of you guys after my last final this thursday. someone make a list of names and we'll get together this weekend or something.
what happened to goon reaver combo? or did i miss it cuz i just scanned around :X
i havent played starcraft for a few years so i dunno.. i just remember zileas (was that his naem?) used reavers all the time and still won (or got pretty far) in the bw tourney.. i dunno i forgot
i havent played starcraft for a few years so i dunno.. i just remember zileas (was that his naem?) used reavers all the time and still won (or got pretty far) in the bw tourney.. i dunno i forgot
Ok till now RSI, SHT49781 and Hoeboy are up for some starcraft. The deal is that I will be able to play only this thursday after my last final. So lets do it in the evening.
Edit: I guess Zeroburn is also in
Edit: I guess Zeroburn is also in
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